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Your submission at Articles for creation: Kinsale Cloak (also called Irish Cloak) has been accepted

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Icebob99 (talk) 02:47, 3 January 2017 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Galway shawl has been accepted

Galway shawl, which you submitted to Articles for creation, has been created.
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MatthewVanitas (talk) 08:31, 3 January 2017 (UTC)

Ireland Wikiproject

Welcome to the Ireland WikiProject. Hopefully you have a good time, start many new articles and can contribute lots to the existing ones as we need that. I did note the article Kinsale cloak seems more an article about the Irish cloak which should have a section on the Kinsale version, or maybe you can concentrate on the Irish shawl as a separate article from the Kinsale variety. Normally we bold the article title in the first sentence and it should be the name of the article's contents. You may want to reconsider the naming and it can be moved if you want. Just ask. Relatedly with the Galway shawl you don't introduce the article's name in bold at all. Good luck. ww2censor (talk) 18:28, 4 January 2017 (UTC)

Reply to ww2censor

Thank you, Ww2censor, I really appreciate your help. I rewrote the first paragraph in both articles to make it clearer what the articles were about, and I bolded the topics in the first sentence. I think you will approve of those changes.

I am in a bit of a quandary as to what to do about the Irish Cloak vs the Kinsale Cloak as a topic. My basic desire in writing the article was to provide readers, especially the Ren Faire crowd, with some facts about the Kinsale Cloak. They sew it up for Ren Faires but know NOTHING about it. One person told me it was invented by the pattern company! I felt that I needed to give historical background in my Kinsale Cloak article for several reasons, one being that Wikipedia wants a complete discussion of topics. So I really struggled with the problem of how much history to provide.

My two areas of interest and knowledge are 1. Traditional clothing of Ireland and 2. The proposed "national costumes" that were discussed - and mostly rejected - during the Celtic Revival. I'm not an expert on the ancient or medieval clothing that includes the brat, léine, ionar, trius, etc. There are historical reenactors who are fanatics about getting that kind of clothing correct, and I will try to recruit someone who is an expert to write a Wikiarticle on the subject. I think that is where a complete discussion of the Irish cloak (brat) fits best.

Also, (somewhere?) I think there needs to be a discussion of what to do with the article Irish clothing. It has been marked as having multiple issues and I agree completely. I would offer to adopt it, but I would need some input as to how to handle such a very large topic. Thank so much for your help. --LynnMGallagher (talk) 03:55, 5 January 2017 (UTC)LynnMGallagher

Thanks for the reply. BTW, there is no need for a separate section header for your reply - you can always drop a {{talkback}} template on my talk page to let others know you have replied (click on the link to see how to use it). I would be inclined to rename and slightly rewrite Kinsale cloak as Irish cloak, with a section on the Kinsale cloak. The Kinsale cloak can then be a redirect to the Kinsale section on the Irish cloak article. Please remember that hearsay is considered original research and is not allowed; we require statements, other than common knowledge, are supported by reliable sources so you need to be quite careful. I am sure some of your clothing topics are more likely to be supported by older literature and not much by online sources. Regarding Irish clothing, it has no citations (just one explanatary note) and it need some before anything else. The original editor has retired and there were only two other significant editors: Wardeal who only made edits in 2014 and Fergananim who is still around but I have no idea what their knowledge on this topic is. You can always drop a post on the Ireland WikiProject talkpage though there does not seem to be much reaction to posts made there. On the topic of clothing, in a recent visit to Ireland I took a few photos to replace the deleted ones in Aran knitting patterns and maybe you can assist there with prose or other images. While Irish topics are of interest, clothing is not in my area of knowledge but I'm ahppy to read over any work you what reviewed. You can always start new topics in your own sandbox User:LynnMGallagher/sandbox instead of at articles for creation. Good luck. ww2censor (talk) 09:55, 5 January 2017 (UTC)

Much of the 'national costumes' created - I use the word purposefully - during the Irish cultural revival c.1891-1916 was unhistoric; the Irish wore léine not kilts, and the Pearse brothers introduction of winged helmets (Germanic) can only be ascribed to listening to too much Wagner. I have read a letter he wrote in 1900 acknowledging the kilt was unhistoric, but rejected the trousers folk wore back then as it was not suitable for a "gentleman". So he and many others sacrificied history for nationalism. The late and very much lamented mairead Dunlevy's "Dress in Ireland - a History" remains the first and best reference guide to Irish clothing down the ages. Online sources should always be regarded with grave suspecion because experience has shown me that far too many get a great deal very wrong - and just about all online sources get just about everything wrong on matters Irish. As for the Kinsale Cloak, I would guess that its of fairly recent origin, replacing the bráta early in the 17th century and continuing in various forms into the early 1900s (the Galway shawl was certainly worn into the 1970s). Let me know what articles you need a hand with and I will look up my sources. Is mise, Fergananim (talk) 17:27, 6 January 2017 (UTC)