Lynne from Valentown

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@Sdrqaz: Renamed. --TheSandDoctor ^Talk 02:42, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

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Avoiding a conflict of interest

Hi Lynne from Valentown, Thank you very much for your contributions to the Valentown Hall article. I see that you have received a conflicting request about this – someone apparently asked you to remove content from your user page –, but I'd personally recommend using the user page to neutrally disclose your affiliation with this topic. Of course, your user page should not be used for promotion, but a simple statement such as "I work for / represent X (see also: Valentown Hall) and am aware of Wikipedia's conflict of interest guideline as well as the policy about paid contribution disclosure" would be beneficial.

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Regarding Valentown Hall

Thank you for your thoughtful and professional message regarding our series of conflicting edits on the article Valentown Hall. I would absolutely like to work with you to update this page rather than against. It is clear to me now that you have a deep and personal understanding of the history of the Valentown area and museum that I overlooked over the past few days. I want to address probably our two greatest points of conflict thus far:

1. Regarding the Grange...

My initial reason for removing this section is because it felt very disconnected from the rest of the article, as the "History" section was not in chronological order. However, based on your message, I have a better understanding of the Grange in the context of Valentown. Perhaps if the "History" section was reorganized in a chronological fashion, the connection between the Grange and Valentown could be better accentuated for the sake of the average reader. I also feel that there is some significant overlap/redundancy between the "History" and "Overview" section, though I recognize that my previous edit perhaps pared it down too much.

2. Regarding paranormal activity...

My edits here were intended to convey that at one point in time, Valentown was a "hotspot" for paranormal research, evidenced by the episode of Fact or Faked that I was familiar with and referenced. Then, my intent was to make it clear that the owners and operators of Valentown have strongly opposed this sort of sentiment, as I currently hold a similar stance towards this phoney ghost-hunting industry. It is clear to me now that my point of distinction did not come across very clearly. I think this subject matter is still significant to include within the article, and that much of the information you included in your message could be repurposed to include, as a historical record of changing perspectives on the Valentown Museum.

I hope some of these thoughts help clear up my perspective, and I hope that we can work together to provide the highest quality article for this establishment that we can. Thank you for your determination and passion for this project. TNstingray (talk) 21:52, 14 January 2022 (UTC)

Also, it might be worthwhile to have more specific conversations on the talk page for Valentown Hall. TNstingray (talk) 21:54, 14 January 2022 (UTC)

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Thank you for your understanding and acceptance, it is so very much appreciated. I would be fine in discussing this on the Valentown Hall talk page if you are inclined that way, so I will follow your lead on that as you are more experienced than I am regards this kind of technical collaboration. The "where" we talk isn't as important to me as "that" we talk.  :)

1. Regarding the Grange... I agree there needs to be better organization presenting it. I have struggled with how to present the information elsewhere as well, especially as this will be a primary focus upon this seasons opening of the museum. The actual history of the Nat'l Grange movement isn't even taught anymore in schools, though thousands of Granges are still operational nationally. I confess I probably digressed in attempting to include some background history on what/who/why the Grange was founded in the first place. And since I am, as you say, so personally close to the subject I think it would be beneficial if the material could be presented from a more objective perspective and organized in such a way as to be more sensible to the average reader.

2. Regarding the paranormal activity... I did like in your last edit where you made it clear that the museum had distanced itself from that. The actual "history" of the whole ghost hunter ordeal was actually less than a year in actual events, but the impact of those events have lingered for a decade, though by focusing on the true nature of the property they have faded substantially and continue to. My feeling is that adding actual links to areas that promoted (or continue to promote) encourages the traffic to the museum in pursuit of that aspect. I know this to be true because I have seen first hand museum visitors come into the Hall in pursuit of ghost tours, argue the existence of them with the staff, and leave with no other interest in the property at all. I know for certain it is a "history" that the Victor Historical Society would rather not call attention to.

SO. I'm very open to restructuring the copy and would be interested in how you would do it. Though... how do we share copy idea's without editing the actual wiki page over and over? How do we collaborate "off page"? I'm relatively new to wiki in this context, so likely have missed a lot of development techniques.

Lynne from Valentown (talk) 22:55, 14 January 2022 (UTC)

Concern regarding Draft:Victor Grange at Valentown Hall

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Your draft article, Draft:Victor Grange at Valentown Hall

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Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 16:57, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

Oh, sorry! I completely forgot about this one. Initially I was going to have 2 pages, one for Valentown Hall and then one for the Victor Grange. I ended up getting so wrapped up in edits over the Hall page that by the time that page got settled, I was working on other aspects of the Victor Grange. Thanks for the notification. 50.49.139.187 (talk) 17:55, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

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This is not a photo that requires a copyright. It is a building on the property of the Victor Historical Society which owns and operates the Historic Valentown Museum located in Victor, New York. The museum and all buildings on the property are publicly viewable and can be photographed from all angles both on and off the property.

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The definition of "architectural work" is a building, which is defined as "humanly habitable structures that are intended to be both permanent and stationary, such as houses and office buildings, and other permanent and stationary structures designed for human occupancy, including but not limited to churches, museums, gazebos, and garden pavilions". Lynne from Valentown (talk) 17:46, 24 January 2023 (UTC)

• While the building may not qualify for copyright protection, the author of the photograph will still hold copyright of the image. The current licensing on the file is incorrect as a result. See Commons:Commons:Freedom of panorama#Legal status of pictures for more information. Salavat (talk) 05:14, 25 January 2023 (UTC)

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Specifically permission from the President of the Board at Historic Valentown museum for the use of their photo. Salavat (talk) 14:48, 25 January 2023 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Jane Pickering (February 7)

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You're right. The first woman doctors in any area back when women weren't even allowed to get graduate degrees is probably not very important historically at all, even if she was one of the first National Grange woman secretaries, too. Women just weren't seen as important players outside of the kitchen or nursery back then, and those who made progress to be more than that were rare indeed, and mostly not accepted as valuable community members socially, politically, or otherwise. We've decided that Dr. Pickering is sadly not Wiki worthy, and that she will be better represented with her own dedicated page on the Valentown museum website which represents the New York state area where she would be more accepted as a valid and respected historical figure. This will also be more in line with the coming museums display honoring her in working with the New York State's museum organization MANY to place some focus on the achievements of women and minorities in the historical sense during the 1800's. Thank you for your critiques, I withdraw this submission from consideration by Wiki. Have a good day! Lynne from Valentown (talk) 23:44, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

That's unfortunately the challenge of women of a certain era whose lives weren't well documented, although I don't think it's the case that she's necessarily not notable. You have a great start for museum article, which is a different tone to an encyclopedia. You can try to get help through Women in Red if you ultimately do want to pursue it Star Mississippi 00:52, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for your referral, but for now ... we're done trying to get her into Wiki. I have forwarded your suggestion along to A LOT of historical entities who have women of import from the 1800's and early 1900's. Thanks for that referral. 45.53.111.131 (talk) 01:13, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

You're most welcome, and happy to help any of your colleagues. And I just looked at the Valentown Hall article. I remember that building-I went to college in Pittsford so know Victor quite well. Star Mississippi 01:30, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

Small world! So you must have attended St. John Fishers or Nazareth? Both lovely campus's. I've just finished the Pickering page on the Valentown web site, if you're inclined to look. It's not public yet, pending review from the rest of the board. https://historicvalentownmuseum.org/page.php/DrPickering 45.53.111.131 (talk) 01:39, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

I did indeed, and crazy to think they're both on the cusp of being universities! They were so small when I was there.

Will have a read of that tomorrow. Thanks for sharing the link. Star Mississippi 01:41, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

Have a good night, thanks for your attention! :) 45.53.111.131 (talk) 01:44, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

It's such a quandry, though... we can't "wiki up" women without "appropriate" documentation, but they didn't document women's achievements back then except in unqualified (by todays standards) documentation authored and approved by men... who had very little use for women with higher goals or were ambitious. 45.53.111.131 (talk) 01:43, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

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Hello. We gave up on the image. The woman who took it the board of directors permission to use it,but she is not technical and didn't want to reply to wiki on a computer. She gave us a written statement which our board president submitted, but that was not acceptable. So we published the page without the image and instead included an image that was from a newspaper article a few years ago. But then after publishing the whole page was declined because it was determined that Dr. Jane Pickering was not "note worthy" and not deserving to have a wiki page. So we said "To heck with Wiki, it's too much trouble", and we were highly insulted that one of the first female physicians in the 1800's wasn't worthy enough. So we built our OWN wiki-like page for her. AND.. we included the picture of our yellow house. You can see it on our website: https://historicvalentownmuseum.org/page.php/DrPickering

Go ahead and remove the picture of the yellow house. We've since put a new roof on that house anyway, so the picture is no longer current. 45.53.110.107 (talk) 16:45, 29 May 2023 (UTC)

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Your draft article, Draft:Jane Pickering

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Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:44, 7 August 2023 (UTC)