User talk:M.Ashraf333/Archives/2023/01 (January)

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Requested

@M.Ashraf333: can you expand these 2 articles so they become the part of wikipedia main space, I am asking you because you have lot of experienced in this field.

• Draft:Elections in Punjab (Pakistan)
• Draft:Elections in Sindh

See similar articles:

• Elections in Islamabad
• Elections in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa
• Elections in Gilgit-Baltistan
• Elections in Azad Kashmir.

And List of members of the 9th Legislative Assembly of Azad Kashmir article needs to be created people are changing 8th List of members of the 8th Legislative Assembly of Azad Kashmir to the current 9th assembly. 111.119.178.135 (talk) 17:06, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

Anita Devgan moved to draftspace

An article you recently created, Anita Devgan, is not suitable as written to remain published. While it appears to be notable, it needs more citations from reliable, independent sources. (?) Information that can't be referenced should be removed (verifiability is of central importance on Wikipedia). I've moved your draft to draftspace (with a prefix of "Draft:" before the article title) where you can incubate the article with minimal disruption. I did this rather than removing the uncited material in the article, which I felt would be more disruptive. If you have any questions, do not hesitate to ask on my talk page. When you have the required sourcing (and every assertion needs a source), and thus is ready for mainspace, please click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page. Or feel free to ping me to take another look.Onel5969 ^{TT me} 11:00, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

Election Commission Gilgit-Baltistan moved to draftspace

An article you recently created, Election Commission Gilgit-Baltistan, is not suitable as written to remain published. It needs more in-depth coverage about the subject itself, with citations from reliable, independent sources in order to show it meets WP:GNG. It should have at least three, and right now does not have any. And please remember that interviews, as primary sources, do not count towards GNG.(?) Information that can't be referenced should be removed (verifiability is of central importance on Wikipedia). I've moved your draft to draftspace (with a prefix of "Draft:" before the article title) where you can incubate the article with minimal disruption. When you feel the article meets Wikipedia's general notability guideline and thus is ready for mainspace, please click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page.Onel5969 ^{TT me} 12:55, 19 December 2022 (UTC)

Nomination of Shotcut (2022 film) for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Shotcut (2022 film) is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Shotcut (2022 film) until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article until the discussion has finished.

DonaldD23 talk to me 13:44, 27 December 2022 (UTC)

Inappropriate tagging of articles

Hi M.Ashraf333, I have removed the tag you placed on Wei Rongjue as it does not appear to be constructive. Wei Rongjue is a member of the Chinese Academy of Science and clearly meets WP: NACADEMIC#3. Please familiarize yourself with WP:NACADEMIC and possibly WP:N before tagging articles like this in the future. Regards. Shoerack (talk) 09:33, 28 December 2022 (UTC)

Speedy deletion contested: New Year Dash!! (2023)

Hello M.Ashraf333. I am just letting you know that I contested the speedy deletion of New Year Dash!! (2023), a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: Page title is a plausible redirect, or it does not substantially duplicate the other topic. Thank you. BangJan1999 11:30, 31 December 2022 (UTC)

Happy New Year, M.Ashraf333!

Happy New Year!

M.Ashraf333,
Have a prosperous, productive and enjoyable New Year, and thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia.
Abishe (talk) 21:03, 31 December 2022 (UTC)

   Send New Year cheer by adding {{subst:Happy New Year fireworks}} to user talk pages.

Abishe (talk) 21:03, 31 December 2022 (UTC)

Draft:Douldai people

Hello, M.Ashraf333,

Please do not move war. If you move an article to Draft space, an editor has the right to object and revert the move. Do not move an article to Draft space twice. Pursue other solutions. Thank you. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 01:42, 1 January 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for letting me know. I moved the topic to draft space because it clearly shows that the topic is poorly referenced and does not meet the criteria of notability standards and editor moved again to mainspace without any improvement just like another editor now moved it to the mainspace without any improvement and just stated in edit summary "I think this article does not need to stay in draft". Anyway thanks again. M.Ashraf333 (talk) 02:39, 1 January 2023 (UTC)

Inappropriate taggings

Hello there M.Ashraf333. I have had to remove or correct a number of your maintenance/Speedy deletion taggings, including two WP:A7s that you tagged for a promotional tone, even though they were not promotional. I advise you to slow down and consider your taggings in the future, so that you can avoid making errors. Thank you, The Night Watch (talk) 04:14, 1 January 2023 (UTC)

@The Night Watch sure. As far as concern of this maintenance tag here, it might be accidental selection because I have selected multiple maintenance tags and you know unsource and unreliable source tags are below each other in the list. M.Ashraf333 (talk) 05:03, 1 January 2023 (UTC)

I request another editor We've got to stop this user M.Ashraf333 it's trying to screw up a lot of articles and trying to delete. Douldai people In this article also the same user tried to disrupt the scheme And this user has removed the reference Jannat Mirza, Kanwal Aftab, Rabeeca Khan of many articles and I have corrected many of their alcohol and disturbing articles. 04:37, 1 January 2023 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tichku (talk • contribs)

@Tichku, As far as your concerns, 1) I am not screwing up and deleting any article but suggesting for deletion on the basis of Wikipedia policies. Douldai people you moved the article into mainspace here without any improvement and stated "I think this article doesn't need to be stay in draft" which is truly disrupt as you can clearly see the topic do not have any proper citation and reliable references. 2) BLP required independent, secondary and reliable sources for reference. Please take a look on these pages. BLP Help and BLP M.Ashraf333 (talk) 06:41, 1 January 2023 (UTC)

Nomination of Gurpreet Bhangu for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Gurpreet Bhangu is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gurpreet Bhangu until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article until the discussion has finished.

Tichku (talk) 11:45, 1 January 2023 (UTC) Tichku (talk) 11:38, 1 January 2023 (UTC)

Potential feud

Hello, M.Ashraf333,

I'm becoming concerned that there is a developing feud between you and Tichku that includes nominating each other's articles for deletion. As the veteran editor here, please try to desecalate these types of situations. Unless there are serious problems in an editor's work, like copyright violations, BLP violations or advertising, please do not target an editor's work and nominate a lot of their articles simultaneously for deletion, especially if they are a relatively new editor. It can be overwhelming for them to try to bring multiple articles up to Wikipedia standards in a short period of time. And if an article is simply badly written or poorly sourced, these are problems that can be fixed over time through editing and there is no urgent need for deletion. While you patrol, please keep in mind that new editors are not as experienced as you in Wikipedia policies and processes and also that we try to keep our content creators and turn them into better editors, not chase them away from the project.

Thank you for all of your contributions and I hope you have a happy and healthy 2023! Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 06:53, 2 January 2023 (UTC)

First of all, thank you for coming between us. As far as dispute go, I've never had a dispute with any editor including Tichku and I don't know why he is taking things personally.

On my side, I have nominated only one article by this editor for AFD here and that was according to the policy guidelines because, there were already about three (Group of 2 and 1) articles in AFD discussion which made me suspicious of the rest of his articles, and the other article that you can see I tagged speedy deletion because it was a deleted article in the AFD discussion about eight days ago that he re-created. I did both these things with my normal routine, but I didn't know that this editor would take these things personally.

But after that you can see that he started nominating my articles selectively without any reason (he just need BIG news sites for coverage) and started commenting against me everywhere which is completely wrong. Some of his targeted examples, here, here, here and much more. he just visits the pages after me and revert everything.

Now I am not paying much attention to this matter but I still have no good hope from this editor so I request you to warn this editor once too. Once again, thank you very much.

M.Ashraf333 (talk) 08:12, 2 January 2023 (UTC)

Carry On Jatta (film series) moved to draftspace

An article you recently created, Carry On Jatta (film series), is not suitable as written to remain published. Simply existing does not make it notable. It needs more in-depth coverage about the subject itself, with citations from reliable, independent sources in order to show it meets WP:GNG. It should have at least three, that go in-depth about the overall series, not the individual films. And please remember that interviews, as primary sources, do not count towards GNG.(?) Information that can't be referenced should be removed (verifiability is of central importance on Wikipedia). I've moved your draft to draftspace (with a prefix of "Draft:" before the article title) where you can incubate the article with minimal disruption. When you feel the article meets Wikipedia's general notability guideline and thus is ready for mainspace, please click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page.Onel5969 ^{TT me} 15:22, 7 January 2023 (UTC)

January 2023

Hello M.Ashraf333. Thanks for patrolling new pages – it's a very important task! I'm just letting you know, however, that there is consensus that we shouldn't tag pages as lacking context (CSD A1) and/or content (CSD A3) moments after they are created, as you did at Sagar Salwan. It's usually best to wait at least 10–15 minutes for more content to be added if the page is very short, and the articles should not be marked as patrolled. Tagging such pages in a very short space of time may drive away well-meaning contributors, which is not good for Wikipedia. Attack pages (G10), patent nonsense (G1), copyright violations (G12) and pure vandalism/blatant hoaxes (G3) should of course still be tagged and deleted immediately. Thanks. Salvio 19:33, 7 January 2023 (UTC)

Qamar Javed Bajwa article

Hi, as Wikipedia is written by people who have a wide diversity of opinions, it is necessary that ALL views are shown. And as you can see, I have given both sides in my posts.

According to Wikipedia guidelines, please do not remove content or templates from pages on Wikipedia, without giving a valid reason for the removal. You cannot simply remove a post; if you feel that it is bias, please add more sources to explain give the reader both views.

Thank You Umer23459 (talk) 22:07, 10 January 2023 (UTC)

Grand Duchy of Flandrensis

I saw you tag it while on recent changes patrol; while I certainly won't contest Earwig's 88.8% similarity...are you sure MicroWiki's not a fork?

This, from June 24, 2019, is the earliest archived version of their article, and while it's not an exact copy of what our article looked like then, it's quite close.

Comparing our article and theirs, there are still great similarities, but I think there's a great chance they're a fork, although they're not (yet) on the list. Heavy Water (talk) 03:29, 13 January 2023 (UTC)

Lowman Trophy moved to draftspace

An article you recently created, Lowman Trophy, is not suitable as written to remain published. It needs more citations from reliable, independent sources. (?) Information that can't be referenced should be removed (verifiability is of central importance on Wikipedia). I've moved your draft to draftspace (with a prefix of "Draft:" before the article title) where you can incubate the article with minimal disruption. When you feel the article meets Wikipedia's general notability guideline and thus is ready for mainspace, please click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 06:16, 13 January 2023 (UTC)

I wasn't the creator of this page, I just moved it to draft space and the script sent me the notification. M.Ashraf333 (talk) 06:25, 13 January 2023 (UTC)

Hotma Sitompul

Why did you provide the article with a deletion template? Though I have added a reference Badak Jawa (talk) 09:35, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

@Badak Jawa. The reason is A7. The person that does not credibly indicate the importance or significance of the subject. M.Ashraf333 (talk) 09:38, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

Hotma Sitompul is a well-known lawyer from Indonesia and there are lots of Indonesian media discussing it, so I think that there is enough notability and credibility for the article to be made. Badak Jawa (talk) 10:24, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

@Badak Jawa, well-known lawyer for what? (importance or significance of the subject). Please indicate in the article and improve it. I will remove the tag after some indications of notability. M.Ashraf333 (talk) 10:32, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

If so, any suggestions from you to improve the article? I am willing to accept suggestions from you Badak Jawa (talk) 10:28, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

Please read the cases and achievements section because there is a notability Badak Jawa (talk) 10:36, 15 January 2023 (UTC) Hotma was once a staff of Legal defense fund led by a senior lawyer, namely Adnan Buyung Nasution. In 2002, Hotma founded his own LBH named Mawar Saron. The LBH was established to provide justice and legal aid to the poor, weak and legally blind. and

The case of the murder of a little girl in Bali in 2015 is one of the cases handled by Hotma. In that case, Hotma became Magriet's attorney against Hotman Paris, who at that time became the attorney for the victim's housekeeper named Agus. In 2013 Hotma also handled drug cases by Raffi Ahmad and in 2019, also handled civil cases by Baim Wong with Astrid's QQ Production. In 2022, Hotma was a lawyer in the domestic violence case that was committed by Rizky Billiards against Lesty Kejora. In this case, Hotma replaced his cousin, Adek Erfil Manurung, to become a lawyer who defended Rizky Billar. When he became Rizky Billar's lawyer in relation to domestic violence cases, this was due to his divorce case with Desiree in 2021. In this case, it was reported that Hotma expelled Desiree and fought over land rights and refurbishment of the house with Desiree. Even so, they eventually divorced and the dispute ended peacefully is it notability, right? Badak Jawa (talk) 10:38, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

Please remove the tag Badak Jawa (talk) 10:48, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

Would You please cast your opinions in those deletion discussions as well?

Both of these articles are well sourced, but faces the wrath of some wikipedians because they want a reference for every single song for almost 1000+ songs which is very unfair. Would you please support those rich articles?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/List_of_Malayalam_songs_recorded_by_P._Susheela

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/List_of_Malayalam_songs_recorded_by_K._J._Yesudas

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/List_of_Malayalam_songs_recorded_by_S._Janaki

Abbasulu (talk) 15:23, 16 January 2023 (UTC)

FYI, M.Ashraf333, this editor has been blocked for canvassing. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 05:51, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

Yes, of course I know, the user was blocked after leaving message on my talk page, that's why I didn't reply this user. Thank you. M.Ashraf333 (talk) 05:57, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

Sanak (2023)

Hello, M.Ashraf333,

Just a reminder, when you move a main space article to Draft space, please tag the original page for speedy deletion, CSD R2. It helps bring them to the attention of admins who need to delete the cross-namespace redirects. Thank you! Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 07:17, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

Altered speedy deletion rationale: Dr Anuhya Reddy

Hello M.Ashraf333, and thanks for patrolling new pages! I am just letting you know that I deleted Dr Anuhya Reddy, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, under a different criterion from the one you provided. The speedy deletion criteria are extremely narrow and specific, and the process is more effective if the correct criterion is used. You may wish to review the Criteria for Speedy Deletion before tagging further pages. Thank you. Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 17:43, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

Page mover granted

Hello, M.Ashraf333. Your account has been granted the "extendedmover" user right, either following a request for it or demonstrating familiarity with working with article names and moving pages. You are now able to rename pages without leaving behind a redirect, move subpages when moving the parent page(s), and move category pages.

Please take a moment to review Wikipedia:Page mover for more information on this user right, especially the criteria for moving pages without leaving a redirect. Please remember to follow post-move cleanup procedures and make link corrections where necessary, including broken double-redirects when suppressredirect is used. This can be done using Special:WhatLinksHere. It is also very important that no one else be allowed to access your account, so you should consider taking a few moments to secure your password. As with all user rights, be aware that if abused, or used in controversial ways without consensus, your page mover status can be revoked.

Useful links:

• Wikipedia:Requested moves
• Category:Requested moves, for article renaming requests awaiting action.

If you do not want the page mover right anymore, just let me know, and I'll remove it. Thank you, and happy editing! HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 21:33, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

Warning

i just watched you are unnecessary nominating Pakistani articles for deletion as daily practice, I think you have some personal agenda based problem with Pakistani articles I'm giving first & last warning to you.

Next time you will be reported to the wikipedia administration. 111.119.188.13 (talk) 07:59, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

Do it now. M.Ashraf333 (talk) 08:55, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

IP Block

This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the blocking policy).

M.Ashraf333/Archives/2023 (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

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Request reason:

Caught by an open proxy block but this host or IP is not an open proxy. My IP address is 103.111.39.247 on my mobile browser. Actually I use my account from mobile and desktop both devices as well as mobile app. Now I am on mobile browser and my IP is showing 103.111.39.247 on mobile but the bot detected IP is 180.178.170.225. The computer also have different IP address, please check these IPs if you found any discrepancies. Thank you M.Ashraf333 (talk) 10:54, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

Decline reason:

Your account and the first IP aren't blocked, but the last one is. So I can't unblock you when you aren't directly blocked. What I will do is suggest that you go to WP:IPECPROXY and follow the instructions there to request IP block exemption so this won't be an issue. — Daniel Case (talk) 07:36, 21 January 2023 (UTC)

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If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.

. M.Ashraf333 (talk) 10:54, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

Draft:Sanak (2023 film)

Hello, M.Ashraf333,

You have moved this article to Draft space twice. Please do not do this again. You don't want to get into a move war with another editor because it could lead to blocks for both of you...there are no winners in an edit/move war. If an editor moves it back to main space, either work on improving the article or seek a form of deletion that is appropriate. Thank you. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 04:34, 21 January 2023 (UTC)

@Liz Done, I was just avoiding to take into AfD for the two reasons. 1) The page is TooSoon and nothing to demonstrates any notability, and 2) the creator of the page may start taking it to personal again as he did without any reason. M.Ashraf333 (talk) 04:52, 21 January 2023 (UTC)

This user have moved this movie article twice of the draft space because he have some personal adgenda towards Pakistani films and biographies, besides even the article have depths and reliable sources. i will now put block request for his account for sure without any tolerance. this is harassment and unethical. Rmpwork (talk) 04:48, 21 January 2023 (UTC)

Sources for article on "Tamás Tóth" (film director)

Hi there, you asked me for additional sources on what I've posted in the above mentioned article, but as you may guess, it's a compilation of lots of different, often fragmentary sources, catalogues etc., finally sent for verification and approval to Mr. Tóth himself. So for the moment, these is no better source for the article's content than this article itself, sorry - in the future, it will rather work in the opposite direction, with this article serving as source for others. I'm in film business for more than 30 years, so you may believe me. :-) Greetings,Qniemiec (talk) 18:23, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

First, this was not a personal request for you to verify the source as any editor can contribute to adding more references. This subject has featured in a number of films as you know and there are only a few references confirming those movies, so I've tagged more references. Anyway, thanks for your contribution. Happy filming.👍 M.Ashraf333 (talk) 18:45, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

Taking things personally?!!!

I have read the above note by User:Liz to you on 2 January 2023 and I also glanced at AfD Pakistan for today. Please let's not pretend that people should not take things personally, when you are currently so highly active on the AfD Forum (currently 5 out of 12 articles are proposed for Deletion by you). Seems like you have a mission to DELETE as many as possible Pakistan-related articles. I have been watching your behavior on this AfD Forum for a couple months now. On some of these articles, despite their many reliable sources, you seem too eager to bring them to AfD. Naturally, those people are justified in getting upset with you and your Disruptive Behavior. Are you using this AfD Forum as a weapon? So far, it seems like it to me!!! You are definitely risking a 'topic ban' from the AfD Forum, if you continue your behavior.

Improper drafting of "No More Heroes"

I believe your moving of the article "No More Heroes" to draft space was invalid as all of the sources pass the reliability checklist, if you would've checked the citations you would've seen only articles on prestigious, well-known news platforms. I'm going to move the draft back to namespace now, please do not engage in an edit-war, if you still believe this article is ineligible for namespace we should seek dispute resolution through a 3rd party opinion. Officialangrydub (talk) 20:40, 25 January 2023 (UTC)

Helllo@Officialangrydub,

Thank you for letting me know, I am not going to edit war in anyway but the move was proper. The references you attached on the page are not reliable and independent as well as it needs more citation for verification to establish notability according to the WP:ORGCRIT. M.Ashraf333 (talk) 02:41, 26 January 2023 (UTC)

You're not claiming Billboard andChicago Reader as UNRELIABLE or affiliated to No More Heroes are you? These are two very frequently cited sources on Wikiedia. Officialangrydub (talk) 03:49, 26 January 2023 (UTC)

That statement would be outright incorrect, I think the statement in your current template-edit is inaccurate and should be reversed, I will not be the one to do it, however I recommend you to research the sources I cited and revise that edit. Officialangrydub (talk) 03:52, 26 January 2023 (UTC)

Pakistan

Hi

When Imran Khan's resignation have been accepted and himself denotified by ECP? Also, because Khan have contested all by-elections, when new by-elections for the seats won by himself will be held? Panam2014 (talk) 20:50, 25 January 2023 (UTC)

Hello @Panam2014

Imran Khan was elected through NA-95 Mianwali in 2018 elections snd denotified by ECP on 21 October 2022 after hearing a case 1. He contested NA elections on 16 October 2022 and won 6 out 7 seats and the winning notification is still pending 2. M.Ashraf333 (talk) 02:30, 26 January 2023 (UTC)

Thank you. Also, is Wajahat member of Chaudhy or Elahi family? And what is his parental link with Pevaiz Elahi and Sujjat Hussain? Also, Sujjat have declared that PMLQ is sided with government so it is not in opposition. --Panam2014 (talk) 17:47, 26 January 2023 (UTC)

@Panam2014, Wajahat is the family member of Zahoor Elahi clan and the brother of Shujaat Hussain, and the son of Zahoor Elahi. Wajahat's father, Zahoor Elahi and Pervez Elahi's father, Manzoor Elahi, both are brothers.

In federal level, PMLQ is in the government (2 out of 5 seats, 3 in opposition). M.Ashraf333 (talk) 18:11, 26 January 2023 (UTC)

Thank you. So the article of Wajahat should be reworded. Also, why his family name is not Elahi? And should the category Chaudhy be moved to Elahi? Panam2014 (talk) 18:16, 26 January 2023 (UTC)

Why he don't use Elahi, it would be difficult to answer. In Pakistan people know him and his clan with Chaudhary family, that's why I think Chaudhary would be much appropriate.

ECP notify and de-notify of the party leaders in Pakistan, so please continue to watch the page as IP users add unnecessary information without any reference. M.Ashraf333 (talk) 18:45, 26 January 2023 (UTC)

Nomination of Daria Pirojenko for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Daria Pirojenko is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Daria Pirojenko until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article until the discussion has finished.

I dream of horses (Contribs) (Talk) 04:14, 27 January 2023 (UTC)

Tour Grimaldi.

Hi. This article is a translation from the French, which I had intended to improve with other sources. Where is the ‘unambiguous copyright infringement’? Dr Dobeaucoup (talk) 18:44, 27 January 2023 (UTC)

Hello @Dr Dobeaucoup,

The article you started have copyrighted material from https://www.waymarking.com/waymarks/wm16420_Tour_Grimaldi_Antibes_France ,Please take a look on report here. M.Ashraf333 (talk) 19:20, 27 January 2023 (UTC)

As is stated in the Waymarks article, the information is taken from Wikipedia. They translated the French WP page, as did I. hence, the resemblance. The copyright infringement is therefore their problem, not ours.

By the way, I did not see this article nor did I use it. Please let me know what you think, because I am going to stop working on this article if you are just going to delete it. Dr Dobeaucoup (talk) 19:30, 27 January 2023 (UTC)

I now understand that M.Ashraf333 wants to speedy delete this article because it mirrors material placed on the waymarking site relating to the Tour Grimaldi. What M.Ashraf failed to note is that the Waymarking site identifies the source of its material as Wikipedia. Thus, the Waymarking site is a mirror site. I translated the French WP site into English ( with my own embellishments), while Waymarking did a straightforward translation. Hence the resemblance between the 2 texts.

Thus, if any copyright infringement exists, it is clearly on the side of Wayfaring (though they do acknowledge Wikipedia on their page).

Therefore, I continue to oppose the speedy delete. Dr Dobeaucoup (talk) 22:04, 27 January 2023 (UTC)