MRWH359

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No bother, I will keep that in mind for the future, thanks. MRWH359 (talk) MRWH359 (talk) 22:13, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

Hi Arjayay,

I noticed on the revision of the changes you removed my entry for the Siege of Jadotville can you put that back please.

Also regarding the entry for the Battle of Clonard's entry on the last stand can you put it back in but just remove the link to the draft article rather than remove it entirely.

Cheers,

MRWH359 (talk) MRWH359 (talk) 01:06, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

Edit war

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war. This means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be although other editors disagree. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus, rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.

Points to note:

1. Edit warring is disruptive regardless of how many reverts you have made;
2. Do not edit war even if you believe you are right.

If you find yourself in an editing dispute, use the article's talk page to discuss controversial changes and work towards a version that represents consensus among editors. You can post a request for help at an appropriate noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, it may be appropriate to request temporary page protection. If you engage in an edit war, you may be blocked from editing. Canterbury Tail talk 19:57, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

Hi Canterbury Talk,

It also means they are reverting it to how "they" think it should be.

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(mini side rant ->) There needs to be a centralized authority backed by and held to academic standards with the ability of members of the public to carry out edits which would be reviewed by the authority in all fairness but that's a problem for another day.

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I've put up topics in the talk pages for each article I appear to be in an "edit war" in and am awaiting response at present, some of them just seem to be reverting the reversions rather than discussing them while I'm attempting a civil discussion and redirecting them to the talk page to hash it out. If that fails or they don't engage I will attempt arbitration by a 3rd party.

I appreciate your assistance and advice on this matter.

Kind regards,

MRWH359 (talk) MRWH359 (talk) 20:12, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

To be fair your reason for reversions "rv per WP:OVERLINK and pushing of calendar system most people don't know." isn't really fair as it has nothing to do with WP:OVERLINK as described in that article and the statement regarding the knowledge of the dating system isn't valid as it is used presently and with increasing frequency in academic circles. As well as the fact that you personally don't know if most people know about it or not.

kind regards,

MRWH359 (talk) MRWH359 (talk) 20:25, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

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Thank you kindly

MRWH359 (talk) MRWH359 (talk) 20:31, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

April 2024

Your recent editing history shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war; that means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be, when you have seen that other editors disagree. To resolve the content dispute, please do not revert or change the edits of others when you are reverted. Instead of reverting, please use the talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. The best practice at this stage is to discuss, not edit-war; read about how this is done. If discussions reach an impasse, you can then post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection.

Being involved in an edit war can result in you being blocked from editing—especially if you violate the three-revert rule, which states that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring—even if you do not violate the three-revert rule—should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly. Acroterion (talk) 02:23, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

Please stop attacking other editors. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing. Comment on content, not on other contributors or people. Acroterion (talk) 02:24, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi Acroterion,

I'm not attacking anyone I made some minor edits to remove unconfirmed statements and blatant inflammatory political biases from 3 articles and make them non-biased and accurate as Wikipedia should be, and included pertinent information earlier in one article which was not addressed until later in the article. Also included important information regarding the information provided to the public at the time as me being a first hand witness to the unfortunate events can attest.

The other guy made changes to suit his obvious political bias (to prove just look at his edit history and awards) he then proceeded to attack every other article I edited in the last few weeks which were nothing to do with that topic.

If anyone is being attacked it's me so go have a chat with the other guy.

Kind regards,

MRWH359 (talk) 02:38, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

I see no such attacks from CeltBrowne. You’re being disagreed with after making substantial undiscussed changes. CeltBrowne has explained their reverts. Go to the relevant talkpages and explain your edits, politely. Any more personal attacks will bring a block, you are inappropriately personalizing disagreement. Acroterion (talk) 02:50, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

He clearly is then why else would he change countless other edits I made on other articles? No I'm neutralizing the language being used which is unfounded, inflammatory and insulting to someone who was present in the city when the event took place and saw first hand what happened on both sides of the fence. He hasn't explained his reverts at all he just did them then accused me of being editorial which he obviously is doing even on an article where I changed a couple of words. I have made no personal attacks on him I simply pointed out his obvious political agenda for posterity so I have no idea what you are talking about there. Is he a friend of yours? I don't see why I'm being disregarded of hand and everything he has done has been taken as gospel. Who exactly can I speak to who is in charge of this whole thing?

Kind regards,

MRWH359 (talk) 03:03, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

I am an administrator, and I’m speaking to you, having noticed your hostile edit summaries, and your continuing assumptions of bad faith. Consider this a final warning. Acroterion (talk) 03:08, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

Fair enough, is there a list of administrators or council or something for future reference?

As I previously stated I haven't made any hostile edits summaries I simply responded to his personal attacks. The assumptions of bad faith are based on the aspect that only I'm being spoken to (as far as I'm aware.)

What is standard procedure for making edits then so I'm aware for future reference?

I'm not sure what you mean please clarify are saying if I edit the edits again I'll be blocked for X amount of time or I continue having a conversation with you I'll be blocked for X amount of time? How much time? I'm still relatively new at this so I'm genuinely unsure.

What is the usual recourse of appeal on Wikipedia for edits, bans, conflicts, et al I might as well ask as I'm speaking to an admin now because I don't know how to contact yourselves if there's issue?

Any information you can provide would be appreciated.

Kind regards,

MRWH359 (talk) 03:29, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

You may not think you're behaving with hostility toward CeltBrowne, and you may think that CeltBrowne's reverts of your significant undiscussed edits that removed references and arranged the articles to your liking are some kind of attack. To me, who noticed the aggressive edit summaries, it looks quite different. If you go on attacking other editors like that, here or anywhere else, you are liable to be blocked, at first for a short time, but increasing if your behavior doesn't change. We don't tolerate that kind of conduct. Going on to assert an assumption of bad faith toward CeltBrowne, and then toward me, {"Is he a friend of yours?' I've never interacted with them). And then citing personal experience ("first hand witness" is valueless on Wikipedia, we go by published sources, not your perceptions), Everything must be verifiable to reliable published sources, not how an individual editor perceives something or analyzes it.

Everybody needs to be aware of their own POV and edit accordingly. You have a POV, whether you think so or not. You have made substantial changes to longstanding referenced content without discussion, leaving only aggressive edit summaries,. That's a significant problem. You could expect to be reverted by anybody for those reasons alone, and would have no recourse, because you made no effort to find agreement or consensus. Based on your other edits, you look like you could be a valuable editor once you accustom yourself to the Wikipedia editing ethos.

If you need an administrator, the quickest way to get attention is to go to WP:ANI. It's also a quick way to forcibly discover you're in the wrong, because if you had gone to ANI with your present complaint, there's a good chance that you'd already be blocked for assumptions of bad faith, undiscussed removal of sourced content, and personal attacks. Administrators deal with behavior, and are not arbitrators of content. "The other editor is wrong" is a very bad strategy. The first, least patient admin is all it takes. Use the article talkpages to politely explain what you want to do, and why, with appropriate sources. Acroterion (talk) 12:23, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

You did leave one comment at Talk:Irish slaves myth, but did not wait for discussion or provide reliable sources to back up your concerns, it was framed as a complaint rather than as a constructive response to the sourced article subject. You didn't even do that much at the other articles. Your talkpage comment has been responded to by another editor with essentially the same concerns that CeltBrowne had. You should take that seriously. I will not hesitate to place sanctions if you treat other editors as opponents again. This is a collaborative project. Acroterion (talk) 19:09, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

Aye,

I then left them on the other one's tbh I forgot I had added that when I started editing.

P.s thank you for the information provided.

K.R.

MRWH359 (talk) 04:37, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

Howdy,

Thats fair enough I'll take on board what you said there.

K.R.

MRWH359 (talk) 04:36, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

And you're already at ANI. Good luck. Acroterion (talk) 12:23, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

ANI notice

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. CeltBrowne (talk) 12:20, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

Cheers for the heads up, I've added my piece.

kind regards,

MRWH359 (talk) MRWH359 (talk) 04:34, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

Some advice - the fewer words the better at ANI, with a focus on acceptance of other editors as peers, and a commitment to learning and moving ahead. As other editors have observed, "It's not hell, but you can see it from there." It's very easy to dig a deeper hole for yourself with too much explanation and justification. Acroterion (talk) 15:52, 27 April 2024 (UTC)