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File:Daisy Ad 1964.ogv

Subsequent to my uploading this file at Wikipedia a copy was uploaded to commons. When you deleted this file the history was lost. It would have been better to flag the file for transfer to commons, yes? – Lionel ^(talk) 08:00, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

It was literally an exact duplicate as the one on Commons. I didn't bother with the upload log from English Wikipedia because it looked to me like the uploader on Commons didn't use your upload for a history, rather found the video on his own. I can restore it and add if you really want. Magog the Ogre (talk) 23:57, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

What happened is I asked about this file at WP:CQ. The other editor confirmed that it was public domain. I then uploaded it at WP. After my upload, the other editor uploaded it at commons. As it is a historical file, I'm hoping to nom it for FP. The full history would be beneficial. Thanks, – Lionel ^(talk) 22:49, 24 June 2012 (UTC)

Y Done Magog the Ogre (talk) 02:38, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

Thanks! – Lionel ^(talk) 21:21, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

Citizens Bank Footprint

I believe this should be updated as they have now exited the NYC metro selling their branches to People's United. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.4.146.43 (talk) 03:56, 23 June 2012 (UTC)

OK. This one is a bit more difficult because I have to remember all of the different FDIC bank IDs that were involved. Magog the Ogre (talk) 21:58, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

Question

Is this a valid reason for requesting speedy deletion of an article? "WP:COI by editors, all Pakistani." Mar4d (talk) 03:42, 28 June 2012 (UTC)

Nope. Magog the Ogre (talk) 03:53, 28 June 2012 (UTC)

harris bank footprint map

your map for Harris Bank and Marshall & Ilsley need to be combined because the two banks have merged to become BMO Harris Bank — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mgoblue144 (talk • contribs) 23:27, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

Alright; here you go: File:BMO Harris Bank 2012-06.png. Magog the Ogre (talk) 03:34, 29 June 2012 (UTC)

Now Commons tagging

Hi! My bot have been tagging files with Now Commons for some time now but now it is finally done. Files that was marked as non free on en-wiki on the time I made the list was skipped and I also skipped some other categories that might mark to many files that is not ok for Commons. Sadly many bad transfers have been made making it hard just to press the delete button. I'll help check/fix the files soon so you do not have to do them all. --MGA73 (talk) 12:28, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

While I have you hear, I will let you know about these bot errors: [1] [2]. Magog the Ogre (talk) 22:00, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for the bad news :-D It is hard to avoid errors in the migration-mess and I noticed that your bot also have some problems. It is not wrong but the "|migration=relicense|migration=relicense|migration=review" does not look nice...

So far I have only seen my bot make a few errors and they all relates to files that end up in Commons:Category:License migration needs review. So the problem should be limited.

The best would probably be to fix CommonsHelper so it makes less mess in the first place. But it would also be good to have a bot cleanup automatically (your cleanup and my cleanup).

Do you have a list of "errors" that CH makes? Last time I asked Magnus to fix CH it was done within a few hours. So I suggest we try that. --MGA73 (talk) 10:24, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

Are you kidding me? I've made multiple requests and Magnus has ignored all of them, even the disgustingly simple ones. Yes, I have a list the length of my arm. Magog the Ogre (talk) 10:28, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

Hm... Perhaps my request was very easy since it was done so soon... If you put the list somewhere I can look at it and we can start with the easy fixes. --MGA73 (talk) 19:25, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

Do you want them by IRC, by email, what? Magog the Ogre (talk) 03:54, 28 June 2012 (UTC)

Any way you like :-) --MGA73 (talk) 17:01, 28 June 2012 (UTC)

NowCommons files can be reviewed. I tried to make it possible to review Move to Commons files also. But it did not work as planned. Perhaps you can find the problem? Template_talk:Copy_to_Wikimedia_Commons#Make_human_review_possible. --MGA73 (talk) 20:28, 29 June 2012 (UTC)

Nomination of Rape in Northeast India for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Rape in Northeast India is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rape in Northeast India until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion template from the top of the article. KTC (talk) 21:54, 29 June 2012 (UTC)

Another question

Does this edit comply with WP:NPOV and WP:DUE? Would like third opinion.. Mar4d (talk) 17:47, 28 June 2012 (UTC)

And also this.. don't want to use the rollback button too early everywhere. Mar4d (talk) 18:22, 28 June 2012 (UTC)

Yup. That did it. Blocked for a week. Magog the Ogre (talk) 22:37, 28 June 2012 (UTC)

Thank you, I am also going to revert this misplaced edit. It would be plausible to note that the template in question (Template:Pakistan separatist movements) was created right after a similiar one I created has been renominated for deletion for the third time by the same user (and whose talk page is proving to be futile for constructive discussion). Apart from double standards, this is a clear exposition of WP:BATTLEGROUND and WP:POINT. Before I leave you alone, I'd like to say one more thing which I actually came here for ..... it would have helped if you had discussed your concerns about this article on its talk page after prodding it, or at least having done the courtesy of leaving a message on mine or TopGun's talk page about what you believe makes it a "POV-pushing nightmare." Mar4d (talk) 03:07, 29 June 2012 (UTC)

I like to express myself succinctly; my opinion is that a reading of the article will speak for itself. It looks like a bit of a hatchet-job with the purpoes of making Indian forces look bad. It provides absolutely no balance whatsoever to the allegations, which it presents as fact rather than allegation. These problems should be obvious to anyone reading the article. In light of this, I don't believe I should have to state this. Magog the Ogre (talk) 03:30, 29 June 2012 (UTC)

I have commented on DS's block here; I thought it appropriate to let you know. Salvio ^{Let's talk about it!} 15:23, 29 June 2012 (UTC)

I cannot fathom how you've come to the conclusion that someone should not be blocked for POV-pushing. Magog the Ogre (talk) 16:52, 30 June 2012 (UTC)

Mtc review

Hi. Perhaps you could help me fix User:MGA73/movetocommonsreview.js so that it will also work on {{Mtc}}. See Template_talk:Copy_to_Wikimedia_Commons#Make_human_review_possible for further info. --MGA73 (talk) 22:32, 29 June 2012 (UTC)

I think I did it. However, I am far too lazy to check it myself. Please let me know if it works. Magog the Ogre (talk) 01:24, 30 June 2012 (UTC)

Thank you... It worked when I added a "(". Yeah... Cool... Thank you. --MGA73 (talk) 21:03, 30 June 2012 (UTC)

File:Homesoil18.jpg

Can the higher resolution original image be deleted? I hope this is possible. Cheers, --Artene50 (talk) 09:01, 1 July 2012 (UTC)

I've tagged it; it should be deleted in about a week. Magog the Ogre (talk) 09:02, 1 July 2012 (UTC)

• Best Wishes for the help, --Artene50 (talk) 09:05, 1 July 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Barnstar of Diligence
	For making sure a claimed blank image was in fact blank :) Sfan00 IMG (talk) 12:47, 1 July 2012 (UTC)

I Protest

Would you mind if you could take a minute and review this AfD closure: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/I Protest. The discussion has seven users favouring keep and three favouring deletion. It has been non-admin closed as "no consensus." Note: I've already consulted the user who closed it (here) before coming here. Mar4d (talk) 09:03, 30 June 2012 (UTC)

So you want it closed as keep? Isn't that just a bit silly that the closure be overturned although the result is the same? The article hasn't been deleted. Even if it closed as keep, it can still be renominated in 6 months. There is nothing gained by having Magog the Ogre spend the time reviewing it or by you chasing the issue until it gets changed. It's a waste of time and there are better things to do.--v/r - TP 13:35, 30 June 2012 (UTC)

The fact that it has been kept or it can be renominated in 6 months is not my concern, the subject here is the closure of the AfD. I do not believe that "no consensus" aptly summarizes the discussion that took place, either numerically or in terms of the opinions of all users involved. There has to be a clear indication for it to be classed as such, which I cannot find. Mar4d (talk) 15:05, 30 June 2012 (UTC)

I understand, but what practical difference will it make? I think this is something to just let go.--v/r - TP 15:13, 30 June 2012 (UTC)

After doing some research, I see that Wikipedia:Non-admin closure allows for non-admin closure in cases of "Clear keep outcomes after a full listing period (stated in the instructions to each XfD, this is usually seven days), absent any contentious debate among participants." Whether this case fits or not, I do not know. In any case, I recommend taking the issue to WP:DRV, so as to avoid the admin-shopping. Magog the Ogre (talk) 16:51, 30 June 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the swift response, shall see to this issue over there then as per your suggestion. Also, one more thing I've noticed.. regarding TopGun's block.. why has he been given a one-week block as opposed to a 24 hour or 48-hour one, especially since his last block also was not a week long either (it had been reverted). Is there anything to explain this escalation in the log? Mar4d (talk) 13:25, 1 July 2012 (UTC)

You'll have to ask the original admin to be sure. But in this case, he's been blocked multiple times, and after this many blocks (some of which were not undone), one week seems appropriate. Magog the Ogre (talk) 00:59, 2 July 2012 (UTC)

PD Signature

Hey, Magog. I want to ask you about this image and 4 others of Girls Generation members. They are signatures and should be in PD. Some signatures from South Korean are also on Commons like this and this--Morning Sunshine (talk) 14:16, 1 July 2012 (UTC)

Hi! They are PD in the US, but possibly not in their home country, which means that Commons is not willing to house them, but English Wikipedia is (unless precedence is undone). Unfortunately, when it comes to matters like signatures, there are far more people who are unaware of or don't care about the rules than there are people who try to clean up after them, so it's quite common to have a lot slip through the cracks. Those are just some examples. You might consider starting a deletion request. Keep in mind - it's not that they're necessarily unfree in South Korea, it's that, as a community, we're not familiar enough with South Korean law to know whether they are or not. Magog the Ogre (talk) 00:57, 2 July 2012 (UTC)

File:Jimmy Hendrix.JPG missing description details

Dear uploader: The media file you uploaded as File:Jimmy Hendrix.JPG is missing a description and/or other details on its image description page. If possible, please add this information. This will help other editors to make better use of the image, and it will be more informative for readers.

If the information is not provided, the image may eventually be proposed for deletion, a situation which is not desirable, and which can easily be avoided.

If you have any questions please see Help:Image page. Thank you. Sfan00 IMG (talk) 09:38, 3 July 2012 (UTC)

Additionally, I'm not sure the license is correct Sfan00 IMG (talk) 09:38, 3 July 2012 (UTC)

Not sure why you're telling me about it; I only reverted a copyright violation on it. Magog the Ogre (talk) 09:39, 3 July 2012 (UTC)

Re: Ron B. Thomson, File:Great Ex Telescope Telescope.jpg

Hello, Magog the Ogre. You have new messages at Ron B. Thomson's talk page.
You can remove this notice at any time.

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OgreBot help, please.

Was able to turn this File:Blondie1977.jpg into a PD file a while back. There's apparently some software creepie that won't let me add the larger photo. If you'll be kind enough to move all of this to Commons, I'll add the larger photo when it gets there. Thanks, We hope (talk) 12:46, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

Not sure what your problem is, but I transferred it. Magog the Ogre (talk) 14:11, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

Thanks-was getting some sort of error message when I tried uploading the larger photo here. We hope (talk) 14:23, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

Hounded again

Told you about this one..never edited before I think but we've to go through every thing and get a pattern... now not only he has created retaliatory articles right after I created Pakistan Zindabad he created Hindustan Zindabad which I felt ok with and even contributed to, and then he goes with creating another one which is now at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pakistan Murdabad‎. This is clear cut battle ground editing even noticed by neutral editors there. As soon I start editing after a week all my edits being reverted in some cases without even reading the article. [3]

And another one who has much more history and was last advised to stay away has hounded me to a completely unrelated domain along with this one. [4] [5]. It's getting crazy and you should see through without ambiguity this time. --lTopGunl (talk) 13:04, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

Now this is really funny. I guess you only notified Magog about the so called "hounding" earlier, and now you are citing an well-sourced article to be an WP:ATTACK page. I guess you only said in a TfD that deletion discussions are not for clean up. Right? ♛♚★Vaibhav Jain★♚♛ ^{Talk Email} 13:07, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

Related

Magog, would you also like to take a look at some useless trolling that's been happening here. Very funny stuff :) The user is wasting time there and fails to engage in any meaningful discussion, as can be seen by their irrelevant comments. Mar4d (talk) 13:50, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

If you feel there is general misconduct, try WP:RFC for this content or WP:RFC/U for this user. Magog the Ogre (talk) 14:27, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

I don't think that is a general issue. It's related to above subsection. If you read the text, there's a feel that the reverts are being made just to revert. --lTopGunl (talk) 14:39, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

Even if Vaibhav was filibustering the discussion in bad faith, this is an incredibly difficult thing to gauge, and the same is just likely to be true of you and Mar4d. I didn't see any actionable behavioral problems. From my perspective, it's just two sides with a content dispute, who (taken as a whole) apparently really suck at dispute resolution. Magog the Ogre (talk) 14:43, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

That does not justify an appearance at the Rape in Bangladesh war article... also the DYK.. that's funny because these are my first two nominations. --lTopGunl (talk) 14:47, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

TopGun, they think that you're introducing non-neutral edits. If they revert them, they are following the letter and spirit of WP:BRD. Just because you an edit an article does not mean no one is free to undo your edits under the guise that this would be "hounding." Magog the Ogre (talk) 15:02, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

BRD is never followed when I'm the one reverting to status quo (which is the case mostly). So they're not following even the letter of BRD. I don't mind if they edit my articles.. but as soon as I start editing.. every article I edit, they appear on and revert me.. that's very obvious. --lTopGunl (talk) 16:16, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

So which is it? You're upset that they're reverting your articles per BRD or you're upset that your BRD edits are being undone? Magog the Ogre (talk) 16:23, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

That my BRD edits are being undone ofcourse and that my edits on new articles are being undone creating useless disputes where ever I choose to edit, going on even DYK to oppose me... --lTopGunl (talk) 16:31, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

So you're upset that your BRD edits are being undone and you are upset that people are BRD'ing your edits? Magog the Ogre (talk) 16:32, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

I don't think BRD means to follow my edits to any new articles and use BRD as an excuse to stop me from editing at all... and then further baiting the 1RR to revert me for the second time for sure effectively turning it into a 0RR. If some one already editing that article reverts per BRD, that's another thing... or even a new editor who is not in a pattern of following me. --lTopGunl (talk) 16:35, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

Well, it is quite difficult to me to gauge things like baiting and stalking versus... cleaning up after someone. That's too difficult of a judgment call for me to make: sorry. I suggest filing an RFC, bringing the issue to ANI, or trying Arbcom again. Magog the Ogre (talk) 16:40, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

AN3

Had an edit conflict with you.. didn't know it would be edited that fast before I could complete my comment... I'm off from there.. better this way. --lTopGunl (talk) 14:23, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

You have been making controversial edits, citing the B of WP:BRD, and when the page watchers revert you, you cry foul and terms it as hounding. ♛♚★Vaibhav Jain★♚♛ ^{Talk Email} 14:38, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

I agree with that assessment by Vaibhav. And as you know, I have no dog in this fight, so my opinion comes as a bystander. Magog the Ogre (talk) 14:47, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

Revert?

You should not have reverted per WP:The Wrong Version. Even the pre dispute version is not that.. there was slow edit war before on it.. the pre dispute version was something else... check again if you want to revert to a predispute version. You've also removed the perpetrators which were re added after agreement of all editors. --lTopGunl (talk) 14:43, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, the alleged perpetrators can be added. ♛♚★Vaibhav Jain★♚♛ ^{Talk Email} 14:45, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

Also you may like to add {{Pp-dispute}} to the articles. ♛♚★Vaibhav Jain★♚♛ ^{Talk Email} 14:56, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

Where are these perpetrators? I only reverted back one version. And I am not going to change back to another preferred version. Magog the Ogre (talk) 15:00, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

Perpetrators are the "Indian security forces", check your edit - it's a small diff. --lTopGunl (talk) 16:19, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

My edit is identical to the one previously added by Vibhijain, except for a BBC link: [6]. I see nothing about perpetrators. Magog the Ogre (talk) 16:42, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

Transition region.jpg

Hey, Magog,

You're taking a pretty radical approach to copyright with the [File:Transition-region.jpg] business. I'm disgusted enough with the rampant deletionism here that I haven't been very active in a few years, and I won't waste time fighting with you if you push your deletion through - but you should look at my comments about what constitutes a photograph, copyrightable art, and a government work. It doesn't get much more non-copyrightable than non-creatively produced image data made by a NASA project. zowie (talk) 05:19, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

Y Will do. Magog the Ogre (talk) 07:32, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

Involved

Hi - please don't close discussions you are clearly involved in - Youreallycan 17:52, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

I am "involved" as far as I am an administrator adjudicating the discussion. Do not undo my close again, or I will block you. Magog the Ogre (talk) 17:53, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

Yea - come on then - Youreallycan 18:02, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

You sure? I'm about to do it. Magog the Ogre (talk) 18:05, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

Lol - Youreallycan 18:07, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

Y Done Magog the Ogre (talk) 18:10, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

Edit warring

Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents - please stop - Youreallycan 17:59, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

Arbitration...

So you just chose to shoot the gun from my shoulder when you lost your temper.... or was there something I did not see? Because nothing has been done on those loads of reports and I wake up in the morning, see you two in a row and an arbcom filed involving me. Anyway, there are two more users involved: DBigXray and Vibhijain and another topic involved: Afghanistan... mind adding them to the list? --lTopGunl (talk) 13:08, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

Well DBigXray and Vibhijain have never been blocked for being disruptive and edit warring, neither have they been reprimanded by the involved or uninvolved admins. Just because I have participated in the discussions and received a Threat from TopGun does not mean their name needs to be included in the soup. --DBigXray 13:27, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

Same is the case with me. Unproved allegations does not makes on involved in a dispute. ♛♚★Vaibhav Jain★♚♛ ^{Talk Email} 13:31, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

Guess that proved my point ...I'll add them later if you don't, but better that you do as you started it. --lTopGunl (talk) 14:52, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

Link for unaware onlookers --DBigXray 15:46, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

TopGun, you are welcome to ask that Afghanistan be included by adding your own statement. Future Perfect at Sunrise already did so. Also, I find your characterization of my arbcom request as only because I lost my temper to be a gross exaggeration: this request has been brewing for a long time. Also, frankly, it was not "shooting over your shoulder" (for a number of reasons). Magog the Ogre (talk) 12:05, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

I didn't say it was "only because of it"... it has been brewing since long but I didn't see anything else. Alright, I'll add the editors and the topic. --lTopGunl (talk) 12:58, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

And in case my name is kept, then User:Smsarmad should be also added, as he is more involved than me. ♛♚★Vaibhav Jain★♚♛ ^{Talk Email} 10:35, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

[Talk page stalker:] People, it's no use fighting over who gets on that list of "parties". It has absolutely no practical significance. This is not an Arbcom "case" where the arbs are going to hand out sanctions to individual participants. Whether you are listed there or not makes no practical difference at all. They are only going to implement discretionary sanctions, and those of course will apply to everybody, no matter if they were mentioned here. Fut.Perf. ☼ 10:51, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

Category:Copy to Wikimedia Commons reviewed by a human

Hey Magog! Some users have found the new feature you helped me with. Cool. But it seems that a few files may be tagged by a mistake. You allready have a lot of work but if you could add the category to your list perhaps you could quick scan the category from time to time to see if there is any likely copyvios. I try not to move bad files to Commons but we can´t be sure that I'm the only one that moves files from that category. --MGA73 (talk) 19:57, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

WP:NPA

Yep your so very neutral, remove your attack calling me a bigot from your statementhere or I will. Darkness Shines (talk) 02:25, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

Heads up

Generally speaking, without an extremely convincing reason, edits to redact personal attacks should not be reverted. I have reverted your revert - please do not revert, as this action is taken by me in my capacity as an Arbitration clerk. - Penwhale | ^{dance in the air and follow his steps} 13:59, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

As a side note, in my opinion, this incident — and the subsequent ANEW report — is clear evidence that you are not neutral when it comes to Darkness Shines' edits and, as such, you should consider yourself WP:INVOLVED with regard to him. As a consequence, I feel I need to ask you to refrain from acting in an administrative capacity in situations where DS is concerned. Salvio ^{Let's talk about it!} 14:17, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

How in the world is stating that someone else claimed the subject is a racist and that I agree a personal attack and not relevant? Magog the Ogre (talk) 15:02, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

Linking (to the original quote) would have sufficed; reproducing the personal attack is not necessary. - Penwhale | ^{dance in the air and follow his steps} 15:07, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

And yet now you've removed it so I can't even link to it. So stating in an arbcom case that someone has been accused of being a racist is now against the rules, and the subject himself can remove said "personal attacks"? Are you seriously stating that quoting evidence against someone can be removed by the subject if they think that constitutes a "personal attack"? Seriously? Magog the Ogre (talk) 15:11, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

You could have said that "several personal attacks were made", without using the word. (The template is a suppression of your words; it was not deleted.) If you can alter that part of the sentence to just link to them (without using the slur), you will be fine. The issue is the (correctly) part - just by adding that it implies you agree with the slur and called him so, which is a personal attack. By adding that quantifier, you're no longer quoting what people said, but you're adding your own opinion.

Think about it: Someone could say that I'm short. By quoting "he was called short" you're quoting someone said (without adding your own opinion); by saying "he was (correctly) called short" you are implying you also believe me to be short. - Penwhale | ^{dance in the air and follow his steps} 15:24, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

So let me get this straight: in a potential ArbCom case, in which the entire crux of the issue revolves around the misbehavior and WP:BATTLEGROUND mindset of the people involved, I, the person who brought the case before ArbCom, am not allowed to opine that someone is a racist (i.e., takes a BATTLEGROUND mindset to life) or exhibits racist tendencies (i.e., acts in a way consistent with said battleground mindset)? That is seriously what you're stating? Magog the Ogre (talk) 15:42, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

Unless you have serious proof that someone IS a racist, even opining one is a personal attack. BATTLEGROUND mindset to life != racist. Please be very, very careful with how you choose your words. You can use words that do not cross into personal attacks. - Penwhale | ^{dance in the air and follow his steps} 16:01, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

You haven't answered my question. And you've committed a logical fallacy; battleground mindset does not equal necessarily racist, but racist does necessarily equal battleground mindset. Magog the Ogre (talk) 16:04, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

(reset indent) That's like saying a white horse is not a horse. What we're trying to tell you is that there are better ways to opine compared to resorting to racial slurs and not politically correct remarks. - Penwhale | ^{dance in the air and follow his steps} 16:07, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

I feel like I'm talking to a brick wall here. My question goes unanswered. So I will repeat it: in a potential ArbCom case, in which the entire crux of the issue revolves around the misbehavior and WP:BATTLEGROUND mindset of the people involved, I, the person who brought the case before ArbCom, am not allowed to opine that someone is a racist (i.e., takes a BATTLEGROUND mindset to life) or exhibits racist tendencies (i.e., acts in a way consistent with said battleground mindset)? That is seriously what you're stating? Magog the Ogre (talk) 16:10, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

If I wasn't clear enough: Opining someone is a racist is a personal attack. Therefore, while you may opine that someone has a battleground mindset, you cannot opine that they are racist. Find alternative wording if necessary. - Penwhale | ^{dance in the air and follow his steps} 16:14, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

That is one of the silliest things I've ever heard. In a case specifically about the battleground mindset of the editors, I am not allowed to give my opinion on the... mindset of the editors. Are we singling out racism, or is there a general principle here that one is not allowed to talk about what might be going on inside someone's head if a person might find such talk offensive? Magog the Ogre (talk) 16:16, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

May need your advice again

I've mentioned you at Talk:Autobiography_of_a_Yogi#Regarding_the_use_of_SRF.C2.B4s_commercial_cover_of_the_book_to_illustrate_the_article regarding a prior discussion. I have the horrible feeling that I am going to find myself once again struggling with image policies. Your thoughts would be appreciated. - Sitush (talk) 16:00, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

I'm sorry: I don't have the patience to read all that. Can you give me a summary? Magog the Ogre (talk) 06:03, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

It grew rapidly - and often tangentially - after I posted above! I subsequently queried the essential bit here. - Sitush (talk) 06:50, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

WP:NPA and editing warnings

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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HI - I am still unsatisfied about your what was imo a personal attack on me WP:NPA by your saying to me to "grow a backbone and get over it" diff on a high profile noticeboard - is your comment to me something you consider acceptable for all users to make ? Do you consider me to be a spineless person? - I also wanted to point out this edit you made as being unsupported by policy/guidelines - "Diff of warning: N/A, Darkness Shines has stated he doesn't want me on his talk page" - diff - you are aware that prior to reporting, official warnings can/should be placed on any users talkpage, whether they have requested you to stay off their talkpage or not ? - Moving forward - your personal and atacking comment in regards to me imo makes you WP:involved and I request you to accept that and in future request other uninvolved admins/report me to a neutral uninvolved noticeboard if you have any issues with my contributions. - Additional related issues/feedback User_talk:AlexandrDmitri#Personal_attacks_by_Magog_the_Ogre and, Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Edit_warring#User:Darkness Shines reported by Magog the Ogre (talk) (Result: No violation)Youreallycan 03:37, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

I'm sorry you feel that way. If you believe my conduct with Darkness Shines was inappropriate, you are free to take it up with Arbcom or WP:WQA. As for, do I think you're a spineless person? No, I believe you physically have a spine. I was stating that you need to get over it. If you don't like my response, you are free, like I said, to take up the issue at WP:WQA. Magog the Ogre (talk) 06:01, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

Sadly you were unable to state that I need to get over anything without personally attacking me - do you object to or refuse to accept that your personal comment in regards to me makes you WP:Involved in regards to administrative actions in future in regardst to me? - Please clearly answer my question - HI - I am still unsatisfied about your what was imo a personal attack on me WP:NPA by your saying to me to "grow a backbone and get over it" diff on a high profile noticeboard - is your comment to me something you consider acceptable for all users to make ? Do you consider me to be a spineless person?Youreallycan 06:06, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

I do not accept it. I don't plan on taking any such action, but no, I do not think that at all. And I'm sorry to see you've taken the wrong lesson out of this. Magog the Ogre (talk) 06:09, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

Your comments such as "I believe you physically have a spine." - make me sick - as for the wrong lesson - look at your contributions on this issue - as for your comment - "I don't plan on taking any such action" - stay away from any further admin actions in regards to me and any other users you are involved in and opinionated against - for ever - goodbye to you - 06:12, 13 July 2012 (UTC)Youreallycan

• I've been asked by YRC to take a look, so here I am. Let me be blunt, Magog, your comment to Bbb23 was over the line. Not sure why YRC thinks it was to him. I know from offwiki discussions with Bbb23 that he took great offense with it, although he is nice enough to not make a big deal out of it. Honestly, as admins, this is something we shouldn't say, and is worthy of an apology. I have said less and had my head ripped off for it, rightfully. Magog, we have both seen other admins warn editors for making similar comments, and when they see an admin saying similar things, I get to hear about it and get preached to about how unfair the system is, so it makes the job of admin even harder for all of us. We all make mistakes, we all can get too rude from time to time, it is part of being human, but how we deal with it afterwards that defines our character. And Magog, there were a lot of lessons to be learned that day. I think we all need to be a bit more understanding here and agree to disagree, and get back to building an encyclopedia, and when an apology serves the greater project best, be the first to offer one.
• YRC, as I said, it appears this was directed at Bbb23, or at least that is how Bbb and I both took it. In this case, most admins would conclude that Magog isn't involved to a point that would exclude him from taking action in the future if needed, although I would recommend he keep me in the loop since I am your mentor and familiar with the previous issues between you two and think I can be a neutral influence. YRC, please be careful that you don't let this turn into a chip on your shoulder. You have to work with Magog, and I'm hoping your both can put differences behind you when your paths cross in the future.
• You both tend to dig in a little, and likely need an air gap between you for a while. Dennis Brown - 2¢ © 12:32, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

Well I'm sorry if anyone took offense. That said, I feel like I'm in an episode of the Twilight Zone here where all of a sudden social rules have suddenly changed and I'm none the wiser for it. If someone takes offense at being told they need to stop taking offense, whatever the metaphor used, then that person is too easily offended, and the point I made was a valid one. I've absolutely never seen someone be appropriately warned for telling someone something like "grow a backbone" (and not just to be rude, but in response to a valid issue! In fact, I probably would have said this or even more had it been a conversation IRL, which is considerably more direct). So, while I'm legitimately sorry if I said something that offended someone, I still think that someone is far too easily offended (which was the issue I was commenting at to begin with). I'd rather we don't all have to walk around on tiptoes around each other, ready to be offended at the slightest piece of blunt language, but apparently some others disagree. Magog the Ogre (talk) 13:08, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

This is one of those situations where I know both of you are good guys and other issues are just dragging along. I don't think Magog was trying to be rude, but it came out that way and I understand why a few people took offense. It needed addressing, but it doesn't need to be labored any more. And Magog, when the heat gets turned up, we all get oversensitive, myself included. Check my talk page archives, the other day I was upset over an ugly RfA and took it too far (farther than this), and in the end I ended up writing a rather large and public apology. YRC has delivered his share of rudeness as well, so I'm not judging you for being human here, and none of us should be throwing stones in this glass house. I would ask you both let the issue rest and maybe avoid each other for a while. If you both would like, you can ping me if an interaction is needed for a couple of weeks and I would be happy to help in any way I can. I just don't want to see good people get sidetracked over side issues that I admit are important to the individual, but aren't really part of building an encyclopedia. I would ask you let me just end this here for now, and if either if you want to talk to me further via email or on my talk page, the other respect a little distance, and let time give us the benefit of hindsight. Dennis Brown - 2¢ © 14:31, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

1.400 uploads by User:Hugh Manatee

Hi! User:Hugh Manatee has uploaded almost 1.400 files with a free license. Mostly old postcards. They are very old and as far as I can tell they are probably ok. There is also a few "own work". Could you have a quick look and check a few files? If 99 % are ok I suggest we just move them all and do the check when during the "NowCommons check". --MGA73 (talk) 16:37, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

Go ahead and tag them with your bot, and then I will run my tool over it and we can review them much more easily. Magog the Ogre (talk) 16:41, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

Tag = copy to Commons? :-) --MGA73 (talk) 16:43, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

Heh you're an admin, you can delete any that were wrongly transferred Magog the Ogre (talk) 16:49, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

Sure :-) Anyway I just thought it would be a good idea to tell you before I started just to make sure you did not just nuke them all with Twinkle :-) --MGA73 (talk) 16:54, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

Oh I never just nuke them all without combing through them. Magog the Ogre (talk) 16:55, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

All should be done now. A few was moved yesterday but was not tagged with a NowCommons. There is a few left and they should be checked manually. Thank you for all your help. --MGA73 (talk) 18:42, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

1.300 uploads by User:Mdnavman

It works!!! I noticed that user:Mdnavman has almost just as many uploads. Most of them looks ok but they are not "as easy" as the other uploads I fear. What do you think? --MGA73 (talk) 19:00, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

I say go for it. Anyway, User:OgreBot 2 is gonna have a fit on Sunday when it goes to clean up today's uploads and finds 1400 images that need to be fixed. Magog the Ogre (talk) 21:13, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

Thank you. You could just add a speedy on Commons if there copyvios. No need to have a DR on Commons if it is a clear case. And I hope your bot likes the task :-D --MGA73 (talk) 18:42, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

File:Flag of Brevard County, Florida.jpg

This image is the flag of a county. Flags of governments are public images. This should not have been deleted. Now several pages have redlinks in place of the image.Greg Bard (talk) 05:17, 15 July 2012 (UTC)

Let's talk this out a bit and hopefully we can get it undeleted. The reason it was marked for deletion is that the symbol in the middle of the flag wasn't given a source. If it was drawn by someone other than a Florida employee, then it would be copyrighted (see commons:COM:COA for a full discussion of how people who aren't affiliated with the original organization might actually do a different drawing). Can you tell me where you got that image? Magog the Ogre (talk) 11:32, 15 July 2012 (UTC)

Won't keep you bothered for too long

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Also, as courtesy notice: User_talk:Salvio_giuliano#Please.... Thanks, Mar4d (talk) 15:07, 15 July 2012 (UTC)

3RR decline

Please reconsider your 3RR decline. There is alot going on here and I think you are stepping into the middle of something you havn't fully looked into. Look again, please. ~ GabeMc ^{(talk|contribs)} 22:21, 15 July 2012 (UTC)

The reported user is still edit-warring today!

Recent disruption and edit-warring (all from today) by Andreasedge here, here, here, here, here, here and here. Here and here Andreasedge is edit-warring with Szyslak and Future Perfect at Sunrise. ~ GabeMc ^{(talk|contribs)} 22:30, 15 July 2012 (UTC)

Please read the comments here before you decide to decline the report. ~ GabeMc ^{(talk|contribs)} 22:46, 15 July 2012 (UTC)

This does look like disruption by Andreasegde, but I'm going to refer to BWilkins, who seems to be more familiar with the situation. Could you please post on his talk page? Magog the Ogre (talk) 01:24, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

Right, but BWilkins didn't decline the report, you did, so shouldn't you decide to remove the decline yourself? Or are you asking me to ask BWilkins to remove your decline, I'm confused? Also, look at the report, other users have questioned BWilkins handling of the 3RR report and suggested it was/is indeed a valid one. ~ GabeMc ^{(talk|contribs)} 01:28, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

I declined the edit warring report. Any disruption afterwards is a separate issue and is not related to the closure of the 3RR report. Magog the Ogre (talk) 01:31, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

Can I ask why you declined the report? They clearly violated 3RR did they not? Please don't pass the buck here. ~ GabeMc ^{(talk|contribs)} 01:33, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

Because it was 2 days old (stale blocks are discouraged), and because you were edit warring just as much as he was. While I do take all factors into consideration when closing a case on the 3RR board, the problems you've just brought up regarding with Andreas are purely about disruption, not edit warring, and as such belong on ANI not AN3. I considered handling the issue, but I am simply not as knowledgeable about the issue as other admins, and thought that someone who has a fuller view of the picture could handle the case. Magog the Ogre (talk) 03:47, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

1.000 uploads by User:Cbl62

Hi. Cbl62 has almost 1.000 uploads. If you think they also look OK I'll move them to Commons. --MGA73 (talk) 12:18, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

He has some fair use uploads, so if you do mark them, make sure you check the licensing. Also, could you please make sure that when you add the nowcommons tag, that you add your bot as a reviewer, which makes it easier to delete the images. Magog the Ogre (talk) 16:45, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

I meant "1.000 freely licensed uploads" so unless the file is both free and non-free at the same time there should not be a problem.

imagecopy.py does not have the reviewer feature so it needs some tweak before it would work... I can have a look.

Someone asked about a better source on one of the uploads above from User:Mdnavman (Commons:Commons:Deletion requests/File:Fiat CR.32.jpg). What was the result. Are we sure it is PD if it is published in Italy before 1989 (Commons:Template_talk:PD-Italy#Alignment_with_.7B.7BPD-US-URAA.7D.7D) or how old does it need to be? Anyway I think asking for such proof will make it very hard to keep many of the files I just transferred. Feel free to Comment on the DR. --MGA73 (talk) 19:39, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

Abuses and all

[8] [9] in Hindi-Urdu. Someone from Mangalore, India. Please block and revdel. Thanks, Mar4d (talk) 06:57, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

It's a set of public IPs with fairly heavy traffic. I'd like to not block unless the abuse becomes much worse. Magog the Ogre (talk) 15:05, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

Don't worry, RegentsPark handled it. Mar4d (talk) 16:02, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

Thanks

For dealing with that. Based on Kwami's comments on hir user talk page I doubt it'll be any kind of wake-up call, but I'm glad to have found an admin who addressed the user behavior issue instead of protecting the page and skipping away.–Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 17:54, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

Are you the IP? God is our witness (pun partially intended). Magog the Ogre (talk) 17:56, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

Quick item

Thanks for deleting my image redirect misspelling (Oghr). Re: "Why do people believe in conspiracy theories when the great majority of evidence is against them?", I assume you've read this book? —Torchiest ^talk_edits 21:15, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

I have not. Just me sitting down one night and putting all my observations in one place. Actually I was going to delete it today because I thought no one read it. Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 21:18, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

I thought it was a good read. I also agree with most of the rest of your user page commentary. Cheers. —Torchiest ^talk_edits 21:45, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

Your AN/I notice

Haha, sorry about that. I removed the notice because I felt the thread starter should notify any parties. :) -- Luke (Talk) 17:09, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

No worries, I'm not a hater, and I wasn't upset . It's just that ANI has a way of making my eyeballs pop out of my head in frustration due to the edit conflicts. Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 17:23, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

Hi

I'm admin from es: and need helps with this usurpation request. I don´t know why the bot didn´t finish the request. Did I do something wrong? Thanks, --186.52.58.13 (talk) 23:47, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

Which request are you referring to? Also, is your nation receiving the condemnation of Castro and Chavez a badge of honor to be worn or are they dead on about the terrible leadership? Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 00:19, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

BTW I was just kidding in this question; I had someone tell me it was a "badge of honor" to have Castro and Chavez both criticizing his country (I don't recall which it was). Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 01:47, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

User talk:Penyulap is disrupting the poll at Sgt Pepper

Now User talk:Penyulap is disrupting the straw poll at Sgt Pepper. What should I do, can you help with this please? ~ GabeMc ^{(talk|contribs)} 01:21, 21 July 2012 (UTC)

What you should do is politely ask him not to refactor comments without throwing accusations at someone you're in an edit war with because it only causes problems (i.e., "disruptive edit") and causes you to lose credibility in the dispute in the eyes of an impartial observer. If the problem behavior continues, then bring it to ANI or start an RFC/U.. Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 01:11, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

User:BROBX appears to be back at it

I leave this one to you, as you dealt with him yesterday. See another report filed at AN3. - Penwhale | ^{dance in the air and follow his steps} 07:53, 21 July 2012 (UTC)

Already done Long day at work kept me from handling this on time. Magog the Ogre (talk) (contribs) 01:02, 22 July 2012 (UTC)