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Help needed! Problem linking...

Ok, so I made a new article: At-Tira (Ramallah), which I found had an article on ar.wp:

• https://ar.wikipedia.org/wiki/طيرة_(رام_الله)

...the problem is when I try to link them, the parentheses get completely screwed up. Maybe you will have more success than me? Huldra (talk) 23:03, 17 July 2018 (UTC)

Thanks! I see you fixed it!

Another issue; I cannot find an ar.wp version of Umm Safa; am I missing something, or hasn't it been made yet? Huldra (talk) 20:59, 18 July 2018 (UTC)

@Huldra: I couldn't find the page. Unfortunately the Arabic encyclopedia is in dire straits. Don't forget to tell me whenever you need any help. Makeandtoss (talk) 22:18, 18 July 2018 (UTC)

Ok, thanks for trying. Yeah, I have noted that ar.wp has.....issues. I have found several villages where the same village has two different articles...when I linked that on my user page, https://ar.wikipedia.org/wiki/نقاش_المستخدم:Huldra  : I got a warning message against spamming wikipedia (!) As a diplomat would say: There is room for improvement.....Huldra (talk) 22:26, 18 July 2018 (UTC)

@Huldra: I tried improving. Got blocked from editing by a bunch of kids. Never tried again. Makeandtoss (talk) 04:52, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

Sorry about that.... Anyway, next in line is expanding the 3 Tulkarm villages (Sourses collected at Talk:Tulkarm#3_villages). Can you find the ar.wp articles for Shweikah and Dhinnaba (if they exist)? Also, what article is this: https://ar.wikipedia.org/wiki/عكابا ...any help is greatly appreciated! Huldra (talk) 20:42, 20 July 2018 (UTC)

@Huldra: Shweikah, Dhinnaba. The Arabic article is for Khurbet 'Aqaba: [1]. Not to be confused with Aqabah. Makeandtoss (talk) 09:42, 21 July 2018 (UTC)

Thanks! You have been very helpful! And Khurbet 'Aqaba ... is not exactly on the top of the list of my priorities ;P, Huldra (talk) 22:05, 21 July 2018 (UTC)

Another problem..

I wonder, could the Deir Nahhaz mentioned by Robinson and Smith, in 1838, p. 117 as being a village between Hebron and Gaza...be Dayr Nakhkhas?

The situation fits, and I dont know any other places in the vicinity which could go by that name. The Arab spelling in the wp article is quite different to the Robinson and Smith spelling, however (at least to my ignorant eyes)...how does it look to your eyes? (Unfortunately, R&S don't say anything else about the place (it isn't mentioned in the biblio)). Huldra (talk) 21:57, 29 July 2018 (UTC)

@Huldra: Indeed very different terms. النحاز and النخاس, transliterated as Nahhaz and Nakhkhas. But googling دير النحاز, there is no such village. So logically, it should be Nakhkhas. Makeandtoss (talk) 15:34, 30 July 2018 (UTC)

Thanks, and yeah, I believe it is Dayr Nakhkhas too. I have seen other places given by Robinson with a spelling much more off than this (compared with modern spelling), but then they have also been mentioned in the text, and then we can "walk in Robinsons footsteps" and confirm the place. I have to study the maps (and find all the other places mentioned before/after Deir Nahhaz) before I dare to add it to the article...Huldra (talk) 21:14, 31 July 2018 (UTC)

Oh, and could you possibly take a look at this? It looks like duplicate to me, Huldra (talk) 23:58, 1 August 2018 (UTC)

Help with Arabic requested

Hello, I need some help with Arabic script, as you're someone who is fluent in Arabic I need some help, below I've pasted a table of Chinese cash coins with Arabic inscriptions from a jihad in East-Turkestan, these Chinese coins are referenced in a British book but that book only uses Latin transliterations of the Arabic inscriptions.

Obverse inscription (Romanised)	Reverse inscription (Romanised)	Sultan	Mint	Years of production	Image
زرب دار السلطان كوكا (Sayyid Ghazi Rashidin Khan)	سعيد غازي رشيدان خان (Zarb dar al-Sultanat Kuqa)	Rashidin Khan Khoja	Kucha	1864–1865
زرب دار السلطان كوكا (Sayyid Ghazi Rashidin Khan)	سعيد غازي رشيدان خان (Zarb dar al-Sultanat Kuqa)	Rashidin Khan Khoja	Kucha	1865–1867
زرب دار السلطان كوكا (Sayyid Ghazi Rashidin Khan)	سعيد غازي رشيدان ئاقس (Zarb dar al-Sultanat Aqsu)	Rashidin Khan Khoja	Aksu	1864–1867

The book I consulted said "Said" while this source claims "Sayyid" (in that source you can also see the images of the Chinese cash coins currently concerned), personally I think that they're just different transliterations of the same characters, and I used a transliteration machine (Latin -> Arabic) to write the assumed inscriptions but it romanised the texts back and "Rashidin" became "Rashidan". Could you please copy the template and add the correct tArabic inscriptions or are the inscriptions I added correct? --Donald Trung (talk) 20:50, 4 August 2018 (UTC)

@Donald Trung: سعيد=Sa'id not Sayyid (سيد). And رشيدان=Rsheidan not Rashidin nor Rashidan. I am confused. None of the transliterations match! I can see three different names:

1-زرب دار السلطان كوكا, which is "Zarb Dar Al-Sultan Koka"

2-سعيد غازي رشيدان خان, which is "Sa'id Ghazi Rsheidan Khan"

3-سعيد غازي رشيدان ئاقس, which is "Sa'id Ghazi Rsheidan Aaqes".

I hope I understood your request correctly. Makeandtoss (talk) 11:06, 6 August 2018 (UTC)

@Makeandtoss: Thank you, I see that the template must've switched the "Zarb Dar Al-Sultanat" ones, the "Obverse" side should read "Sayyid Ghazi Rashidin Khan" on all 3 Chinese cash coins, while the reverse sides of the first two coins should read "Darb Dar Al-Sultanat Kuqa" and of the third "Darb Dar Al-Sultanat Aqsu" (since it reads "Aaqes" I must've used the Uighur Perso-Arabic script which isn't a complete match with West-Asian Arabic). Could you copy the template and fix the Arabic? I will copy them (blank) with the correct romanisations below. --Donald Trung (talk) 11:25, 6 August 2018 (UTC)

Here are the Chinese cash coins minus the text:

Obverse inscription (Romanised)	Reverse inscription (Romanised)	Sultan	Mint	Years of production	Image
سيد غازي راشدين خان (Sayyid Ghazi Rashidin Khan)	زرب دار السلطانات كوجا (Zarb dar al-Sultanat Kuqa)	Rashidin Khan Khoja	Kucha	1864–1865
سيد غازي راشدين خان (Sayyid Ghazi Rashidin Khan)	زرب دار السلطانات كوجا (Zarb dar al-Sultanat Kuqa)	Rashidin Khan Khoja	Kucha	1865–1867
سيد غازي راشدين خان (Sayyid Ghazi Rashidin Khan)	زرب دار السلطانات أقسو (Zarb dar al-Sultanat Aqsu)	Rashidin Khan Khoja	Aksu	1864–1867

As I'm illiterate when it concerns Arabic I can't fill these in properly, could you add the correct inscriptions if it's not too much to ask? --Donald Trung (talk) 11:28, 6 August 2018 (UTC)

@Donald Trung:

Obverse inscription (Romanised)	Reverse inscription (Romanised)	Sultan	Mint	Years of production	Image
سعيد غازي رشيدان خان (Sa'id Ghazi Rsheidan Khan)	زرب دار السلطان كوكا (Zarb Dar Al-Sultan Koka)	Rashidin Khan Khoja	Kucha	1864–1865
سعيد غازي رشيدان خان (Sa'id Ghazi Rsheidan Khan)	زرب دار السلطان كوكا (Zarb Dar Al-Sultan Koka)	Rashidin Khan Khoja	Kucha	1865–1867
سعيد غازي رشيدان خان (Sa'id Ghazi Rsheidan Khan)	سعيد غازي رشيدان ئاقس (Sa'id Ghazi Rsheidan Aaqes)	Rashidin Khan Khoja	Aksu	1864–1867

Like this? Makeandtoss (talk) 11:34, 6 August 2018 (UTC)

I think so, but I can't seem to find the Arabic names for Aksu City (Aqsu) and Kucha County (Kuqa), and David Hartill (User:Davidhartill) says in his book "Darb dar al-Sultanat Aqsu/Kuqa" and not "Aaqes/Koka", can you confirm that that is the Arabic name for those Chinese cities? Apparently only Persian, Punjabi, Urdu, and Uyghur Wikipedia's have articles on those places so I can't confirm it myself. --Donald Trung (talk) 11:46, 6 August 2018 (UTC)

I just missed this but it should read "Rashidin", I think that the website I used gave me a bad result, I meant ti say that I want to see the Arabic versions of what is written ib Latin script in the "blank" template. Like this image._--Donald Trung (talk) 11:49, 6 August 2018 (UTC)

@Donald Trung: Aksu's Arabic wiki article is أقسو while Kucha doesn't have one. 'ئاقس Aqes' might be missing a letter to become 'Aksu ئاقسو' (same as أقسو of its Arabic article). I filled the blank template according to my own interpretation. Makeandtoss (talk) 12:25, 6 August 2018 (UTC)

Thank you,

Resolved

. --Donald Trung (talk) 12:27, 6 August 2018 (UTC)

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Ni'ilya

Hi again, I was looking for Ni'ilya in Robinsons 1838 list (it should be located in the Gaza district.) Looking at the Arabic spelling, it looks as Ba'lia on p. 119. Is it? Huldra (talk) 22:00, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

@Huldra: Hello. The archive link is not loading, send a screenshot of it. Makeandtoss (talk) 14:05, 6 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi, I uploaded a version of p. 119 to commons, see here. If it is not clear enough, I can upload one closer, Huldra (talk) 20:07, 6 October 2018 (UTC)

Here is one more closer up, Huldra (talk) 20:13, 6 October 2018 (UTC)

@Huldra: No definitely not the same.

Ok, thanks. Can you see any place mentioned in Gaza Subdistrict, Mandatory Palestine which could be it? It is not Bil'in, Gaza, that I know. Huldra (talk) 21:27, 6 October 2018 (UTC)

@Huldra: No I cant see any matches. Makeandtoss (talk) 04:04, 7 October 2018 (UTC)

Ok, thanks,

Resolved

. Huldra (talk) 20:01, 7 October 2018 (UTC)

...and another one: I am trying to identify the places noted in 1838 by Robinson, presently the ones in the Esh-Shagur district, see p. 133. I think I have identified them all, except one: "Tahf"....I wondered could that be Nahf? I cannot find any other village with remotely similar name in the area, Huldra (talk) 23:45, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

..and in case you dont get the archive link to load, here is a copy on commons: part of p. 133, Huldra (talk) 23:54, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

@Huldra: It may be a mistake as "t" and "n" are very similar: ت and ن, but I doubt it. Makeandtoss (talk) 19:23, 26 October 2018 (UTC)

Well, remember that the people who wrote this were not native Arabic speakers...anyway, I sort of have plan to place all the appendix listed places in User:Huldra/Robinson...but that is a huge job, and will take some time. When all the Kiepert maps they used are available on commons (presently only the northern most and the southern most are available on Category:Edward_Robinson), then we will see what they actually called the places. Anyway, as always: thanks for your help, much appreciated! Huldra (talk) 22:01, 26 October 2018 (UTC)

And another one, on p. 129, is Kufeireh Kufeirit? The last letter (in Arabic) is different, Huldra (talk) 23:59, 2 November 2018 (UTC)

@Huldra: Probably since same spelling and both sites are near Jenin. Makeandtoss (talk) 10:22, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

But the Arabic for Kufeireh on p. 129 does not look like the Arabic name on Kufeirit? At least, not that last letter? Huldra (talk) 23:08, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

The PEF map has Kufreireh where the 1940s map has Kufeirat. The Van de Velde map calls it Kufeireh. No doubt these are the same place. Zero^talk 23:46, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

Ok, thanks! Huldra (talk) 23:50, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

Also as Kufeireh on a 1856 map by Kiepert Heinrich based on Robinson [2]. Zero^talk 00:04, 4 November 2018 (UTC)

User:Zero0000 that is a great Heinrich Kiepert map! I have been looking for it for some time. Alas, I have problems navigating on that nli.org link....is it possible to download it, and post it on commons? Some of the other Kiepert maps are on the Edward Robinson commons cat already; I would love to see them all there, Huldra (talk) 20:28, 4 November 2018 (UTC)

@Huldra: Check your mail. Zero^talk 00:24, 5 November 2018 (UTC)

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@Tokenzero: Hi. The camps are along the demilitarized berm so they can't really be considered refugee camps in Jordan. Makeandtoss (talk) 10:17, 16 January 2019 (UTC)

Ok, fair enough, thanks. Tokenzero (talk) 10:26, 16 January 2019 (UTC)

Arab Revolt article

Marhaban, I saw you suggesting the article Arab Revolt has been biased. I’ve made a clean up a little, removing the biased parts and gather them together into one section. Please check if you think the rest of the article is still biased. I’m hoping I can add more stuff from the Arab perspective but it will be later. Cheers. JahlilMA (talk) 11:03, 14 February 2019 (UTC)

Ahlan. The article still has several problems because its quite ambiguous. Why did the Arabs revolt? How did the revolt come to be? The massacres of Jabal Druze and Kerak need to be addressed. The suspension of the Ottoman constitution, the rise of the Young Turks, growing Arab nationalism, the Hussein-McMahon correspondence, the issue of Palestine, T.E. Lawrence and so on.. There are too many things to consider, each having various interpretations, and the English sources are understandably lacking. I would have taken the time to view and translate reputable Arab sources but I unfortunately do not have the time nor motivation to do so. However, I would be glad to assist to provide feedback if you want to edit it a bit. For now positive changes in the lede, but it still lacks a perlude and an aftermath. Of great importance also is the promise of a unified Arab state and the question of Palestine. Makeandtoss (talk) 11:30, 14 February 2019 (UTC)

Thanks a lot for your suggestions. I also do not have time, but am hoping I could make additions in the future. I will take into account your questions, as well as the bibliography you’ve shared on the talk page. Feel free to share more English sources if you know some. JahlilMA (talk) 11:33, 14 February 2019 (UTC)

By the way, please let me know if you know any other biased article related to Arab or Islam. Thanks in advance. JahlilMA (talk) 09:01, 15 February 2019 (UTC)

The battles related to the revolt are all written in a militaristic western POV. For example First Battle of Amman. Maybe these aren’t exactly biased but generally the content surrounding Arab Revolt. Makeandtoss (talk) 10:30, 15 February 2019 (UTC)

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Mamluk Jerusalem

Hi, I have just started working on half a dozen articles on Mamluk buildings in Jerusalem; a longer term work, obviously. If you could add the Arabic names, I would be most grateful, the drafts are all linked on User_talk:Huldra#Mamluk_Jerusalem, cheers, Huldra (talk) 22:02, 23 March 2019 (UTC)

Hello @Huldra:! Sure, I will be glad to help out. Can you remind me about this in exactly two weeks from now? I have been very busy. Makeandtoss (talk) 20:37, 2 April 2019 (UTC)

Ok, will. There is no hurry....this is a project that will take some time...cheers, Huldra (talk) 20:40, 2 April 2019 (UTC)

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Hi there, I am planing to expand the article of the Nabataean kingdom anytime soon. You've used Petra and the Lost Kingdom of the Nabataeans by Jane Taylor, I am wondering do you have access to the book? It would be very helpful! Best regards. Nabataeus (talk) 19:45, 2 April 2019 (UTC)

Hello @Nabataeus:! I actually have a hard copy of the book. You will probably need that if you intend on expanding the Nabatean Kingdom article. But my opinion is that the Petra article deserves that effort more as it has much more page views. Makeandtoss (talk) 20:43, 2 April 2019 (UTC)

Both are different topics. The Nabataean kingdom is sadly neglected and the political, cultural, artistic, and military history of the Nabataeans is not sufficiently covered. Perhaps I would edit Petra later. For now I am focusing on the Nabataean kingdom; is there anyway to contact you so I could obtain a copy (of their early history)? Nabataeus (talk) 21:13, 2 April 2019 (UTC)

@Nabataeus: Unfortunately I am not in Jordan this year. Makeandtoss (talk) 03:54, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

I was thinking of digital copy. I will see if I could order it online. Thanks anyway. Nabataeus (talk) 14:50, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

Could you please tell me from what p. this is from in Taylor's book; "The literate Nabataeans left no lengthy historical texts. However, thousands of inscriptions have been found in their settlements, including graffiti and on minted coins"? Nabataeus (talk) 10:49, 14 April 2019 (UTC)

@Nabataeus: I am not sure. It could have been from another book and I added this reference by mistake. Googling it I only found something remotely close here on page 2. Makeandtoss (talk) 11:01, 14 April 2019 (UTC)

It speaks about the Nabataean language, but thanks anyway. Nabataeus (talk) 11:42, 14 April 2019 (UTC)

Bani Sakhr

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@Deborahjay: Bani is a much more accurate transliteration than beni. I doubt Saqr is the same as Sakher since they are different words in Arabic. The former meaning falcon and the latter meaning rock. Makeandtoss (talk) 20:48, 2 April 2019 (UTC)

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She is indeed radical, but not to the degree of being an ISIS supporter. There’s no source for that anyway.Makeandtoss (talk) 20:01, 26 April 2020 (UTC)

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Hi M&T. I am truly sorry for upsetting you and I sincerely apologise for that. I trust neither of the "camps" in the Arab-Israeli conflict or any other conflict fought out with ideological tools, and am very keen on identifying and calling out propaganda, probably too much so. Here I got carried away, forgetting that there are good, definitely well-intended people behind most edits, even such that might look fishy from one's personal point of view. I really had no idea it was you who had worked on it; had I waited to get to a computer and check the editing history, I would have definitely thought of it differently and adopted a very different tone. Apart from this all, some of my best and some of my worst memories are from my time in Jordan, with the former by far outweighing the latter. I am hugely skeptical of any type of nationalism or tribalism of whatever sort; identity and belonging are great, but only when kept at bay by a wider perspective. So no danger of racism coming from me, I guess. Apart from this as well, I do believe that we could easily become friends should we meet in real life. I hope you do't come out of this with too much of a bitter aftertaste. I'm not too proud of myself as it is. All the best and stay well, Arminden (talk) 15:55, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

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