User talk:Makushima/Minority descrimination on Wikipedia

Wikipedia has discrimination "Noticeability" policy against minorities. For example, Wikipedia do not accept articles about popular minority singers because they are noticeable according to Wikipedia policy, even if they are noticeable person in minority.

Wikipedia promotes only general-trend culture and suppress cultural diversity.

Discrimination "notability policy" of Wikipedia do not consider impact and benefits of minority noticeable person for they society.

According to Wikipedia policy only person of “big” nationalities allowed to be represented on wiki. If you are for example Aleut, who is only 400 people the world, your best singer never be allowed to be mentioned on Wikipedia.

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Wikipedia has discrimination "Noticeability" policy against minorities. For example, Wikipedia do not accept articles about popular minority singers because they are noticeable according to Wikipedia policy, even if they are noticeable person in minority. By this Wikipedia promotes only general-trend culture and suppress cultural diversity. Discrimination "notability policy" of Wikipedia do not consider impact and benefits of minority noticeable person for they society. According to Wikipedia policy only person of “big” nationalities allowed to be represented on wiki. If you are for example Aleut, who is only 400 people the world, your best singer never be allowed to be mentioned on Wikipedia. Good example of this that article about famous Kalmyk singer Bain Ligor nominated for deletion https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bain_Ligor

There is logical and truthful fact on this page. Obviously there is no links because it is about Wikipedia and Wikipedia is not reliable source. So it is chicken-egg problem. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Makushima (talk • contribs) 12:52, 20 January 2021 (UTC) Please provide reasons why do you want delete this page. Because it shows Wikipedia from bad side? Or information is not truthful?

Makushima, I nominated it for deletion because attempts to correspond with the person or group named by its title. You appear to be trying to talk to Wikipedia. In my opinion, this kind of discussion is better suited for talk pages. –Novem Linguae (talk) 13:32, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

(Novem_Linguae), No I am not trying to talk with wikipedia. I want to bring truthful information to society. I want to show some bad sides of Wikipedia. People should know that rules on Wikipedia are different if you a Chinese or Aleut. I didn't understand this before. So if you are Chineses than your culture will have more information on wiki because there is 2 billion Chinese. And information about aleut will be suppressed by Wiki policy, not just because there is not much people who writes about aleut.

Makushima On the surface, that sounds reasonable. Just so you know our policies though, we're an encyclopedia. We don't do any original thinking or research for ourselves. WP:NOR. Every idea we write about has to come from a reliable, independent, secondary source. WP:RS. So, if the New York Times published a newspaper article titled "Wikipedia's systemic bias against East Asian minorities", then that would be an excellent source for something like this. But if there are no reliable secondary sources that say this, then we cannot have an encyclopedia article about it, or even mention it. Encyclopedias only summarize other sources, they do not create new ideas themselves. –Novem Linguae (talk) 13:58, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

(Novem_Linguae), I understand your approach, but you should think logically: Will NY Times publish article about discrimination on Wikipedia some minority in Russia? You put not really achievable condition. As you understand, only small for small nationalities this is a interesting fact. This is not idea. This is a fact. I describe fact. Like there is mountain with president faces in USA - it is a fact. There is discrimination policy on Wikipedia - it is a fact. If NY will not publish article about that mountain you will not publish article about it? Common sense and reality is not enough evidence for you? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Makushima (talk • contribs) 14:23, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

Makushima. These are our policies. Like any large organization, there are rules and norms here that we have to follow. WP:NOR. WP:RS. To get around this problem with the New York Times not covering East Asia as much as North America, we do accept reliable sources from other parts of the world. A respected East Asian newspaper, or an East Asian book would be fine. It could even be in another language if you have a way to translate it. But a source must be found. Good sourcing is how we keep the quality of the encyclopedia high. –Novem Linguae (talk) 14:31, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

(Novem_Linguae), I understand this is your company policy. That how you do the business. It is a normal. Not normal that these policies discriminate other people. The greatest source is a policy itself. Just read you you will see it. As I wrote you there is discrimination policy on Wikipedia - it is a fact. As I wrote you but you didn't answer me. If NY times or any asian newspaper do not write about mountain with president faces you will not publish article about that mountain? Common sense and reality is not enough evidence for you? Also there is a link to the page which is in process of deletion, so you can see discrimination in real time in real life! Greatest source! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Makushima (talk • contribs) 14:23, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

Common there is 400 aleuts in the world. Do you expect that they print newspaper. And after that you will say that this newspaper is not significant because it is only for 400 copies. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Makushima (talk • contribs) 13:20, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

Userfied/CSD

Yes, thanks @Novem Linguae: I did indeed neglect to remove the CSD. Thank you for fixing that. Makushima, please let me know if you have any questions StarM 02:28, 21 January 2021 (UTC)