MannyMasterson

Grooveshark

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I highlighted the policy that is most relevant to your edit: Please do not edit-war.

Please review WP:Lede. Of course the article can be improved. Of course the summary of the article in the lede can be improved. These things should be discussed on the talk page. Removing all of the lede's discussion of the copyright-suits and royalty-suits is inappropriate.

Please describe the content of your edits in the summary.

Thanks again, Kiefer.Wolfowitz 17:27, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

FYI

In a diary entry, Robert Fripp stated a preference for dealing with Grooveshark over UMG! Kiefer.Wolfowitz 19:05, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

IP editor

Hi Manny:

FYI, User:96.252.204.177 deleted most of the lede, including all mention of lawsuits and complaints, just like you did.

I had suggested yesterday that the IP editor create an account at 17:29---and within the hour you had created an account, and you repeated his edit.

This one-day history may interest other editors in the Wikipedia community (as well as Aristotelian tragedians, although the unity of the hour exceeds the one-day requirement).

Historically, Kiefer.Wolfowitz 16:07, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

Hey Kiefer:

I apologize for the deletion. I was exceptionally new to the Wiki community however Dwayne certainly helped me out and taught me proper Wiki editing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.251.128.58 (talk) 18:03, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

No problem!

We all make mistakes at first.

I mentioned recently at the talk page of the Grooveshark article that editors without conflicts of interests are welcome to edit freely. FYI, if you know somebody who might have a COI, you might suggest that they first propose a change on the talk page, and leave it to others to implement the change. (In general, such changes should be supported by references to high quality, reliable sources. For example, Mannie added some RSes today, in support of edits.) If nobody comments, it is good to ask for somebody at a relevant project to do the implementation, at least as a courtesy; if nobody implements the change or comments on the change, despite the polite notices, then it is safe to add the material. This is good to know for the future.

I am glad that I did not "scare" you away, and that you are back editing.

Cheers, Kiefer.Wolfowitz 19:03, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

Grooveshark

Hello Manny, I noticed your comments at the Grooveshark page and just wanted to drop a quick note. I am not editing as much so I probably won't be around much. In the past I did recommend taking the proposed edits to the talk page because at the time I did so the page had become contentious and I figured you might be discouraged if your edits were reverted. I agree the image used by Kiefer may be a POV image but it is also out of date as Grooveshark has updated its interface. If you have a new image I would replace the old one. Welcome to the community. --Daffydavid (talk) 23:52, 13 December 2012 (UTC)

This is a belated redundant welcome....

When Manny and other editors have used reliable sources, their edits have remained. Period.

King Crimson and Robert Fripp are the most referenced artists in the article, and the references rely on high quality most reliable sources, not blogs.... A screen shot of KC and RF music is hardly POV. It is odd that you complain that the picture is out of date, here, rather than simply ask me to take a new screen shot, if that were the concern.

Perhaps we should discuss the POV concern at a project page? Kiefer.Wolfowitz 17:16, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

On second thought, it would be better to have an up-to-date screenshot first, preferably with artists mentioned in the article and cited in high quality reliable sources. Then the current screenshot should be moved down to the copyright-controversy section.

Daffydavid, what image should illustrate the copyright issues in a NPOV way? Do you have an image of a judge's decision? Kiefer.Wolfowitz 17:20, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

Kiefer.Wolfowitz

There are up-to-date screenshots of the new Grooveshark UI provided here on TechNewsDaily, http://www.technewsdaily.com/8302-grooveshark-music-site-gets-makeover.html. I think this image would be much more appropriate for the "Features" section of the article, and should replace the previous screenshot. Also, I think a courtroom picture of Copyright issues would be the least POV. I think it would be most appropriate to have the current screenshot removed, or bumped down to the copyright section at the very least.

MannyMannyMasterson 13:45, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

Hi Manny!

It's easy to upload pictures, as long as you can certify that you created them. Otherwise, you need to get permission sent to the OTRS system by the owners. Please upload a better picture.

When you do so, please move the KC/RF screen-shot to the copyright section, which as you state is lower on the page. A suitable caption should summarize material in that section, preferably a statement that is supported by high quality reliable source(s). Cheers, Kiefer.Wolfowitz 19:22, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

Well done! Kiefer.Wolfowitz 23:25, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

Kiefer, Thanks!

MannyMannyMasterson 18:53, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

Manny, you uploaded the previously noted image, appearing to violate the copyright of Grooveshark and WP policies. http://www.technewsdaily.com/images/i/000/009/481/original/Grooveshark-Home.jpg?1350475032 Kiefer.Wolfowitz 15:14, 15 December 2012 (UTC)

Sven Manguard is an administrator on the commons and he deleted the screenshot. You can read his comments [en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Sven_Manguard&curid=28874495&diff=528174752&oldid=528166075 here]. Kiefer.Wolfowitz 19:19, 15 December 2012 (UTC)

Kiefer and Sven

Apologies once again for the previous mistake. I have however done some additional research, and found that the image is published as free content on the Grooveshark blog and is allowed to be used in the site. I think that because this is a tech company, it is our duty to ensure that we are placing the most recent images on Wikipedia. Please talk back if there are any concerns before removing this image. Thank you Sven for all your assistance with moderating this article(Grooveshark Blog:http://blog.grooveshark.com/post/33776758687/the-new-grooveshark)

MannyMannyMasterson 13:45, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

Please read again what Sven wrote about screenshots. Good intentions are great, but you have to read and satisfy WP rules. Ask Sven about that image. The page has a statement that the images are free for educational use. However, that does seem to fall short of the CC3.0 CS BY license requirements. I think it could be uploaded to only English Wikipedia, but it would need a fair-use provision. Please ask Sven or another editor knowledgeable about media rules on English WP and commons.Kiefer.Wolfowitz 23:12, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

Grooveshark

Hey there, I see that you posted updates to the Grooveshark article in the past that were later reverted by another user. That user has since been banned by the arbitration committee and there are many current, factual updates that could be added to improve the article, some of which I've outlined on the Grooveshark Talk page. Erinpickard (talk) 17:04, 26 February 2014 (UTC)