Margaretnobleartist

Wikipedia frowns on autobiography

Given that the article is about you, Wikipedia discourages autobiography, as it is difficult to approach with a neutral point of view (NPOV). Also, in just glancing at a few of the references, you are mentioned only briefly, or content is an interview (not considered valid as ref). David notMD (talk) 21:28, 7 October 2018 (UTC)

Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia. We welcome and appreciate your contributions, but it appears you have written or added to an article about yourself, at Margaret Noble (artist). Creating an autobiography is strongly discouraged – see our guideline on writing autobiographies. If you create such an article, it may be deleted. If what you have done in life is genuinely notable and can be verified according to our policy for articles about living people, someone else will probably create an article about you sooner or later (see Wikipedians with articles). If you wish to add to an existing article about yourself, please propose the changes on its talk page. Please understand that this is an encyclopedia and not a personal web space or social networking site. If your article has already been deleted, please see: Why was the page I created deleted?, and if you feel the deletion was an error, please discuss it with the deleting administrator. Thank you. --Orange Mike | Talk 01:44, 26 October 2018 (UTC)

Margaretnobleartist (talk) 01:54, 26 October 2018 (UTC) Hello Orange Mike and David notMD

Thank you for getting in touch. I am not sure why you think I wrote this page. If you look at the edit history you will see that I did offer feedback on potential sources (which was requested by editors) and I did correct my age of birth but nothing more beyond that. The primary editor of this page was: @Grand'mere Eugene‬ (talk) @https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Grand%27mere_Eugene

Hopefully, she will reply soon to help clear things up.

Margaretnobleartist (talk) 01:54, 26 October 2018 (UTC)

You edited the article yourself twice; that's two too many. You also persist in referring to this as your article, whereas it is an article about you: a rather vital distinction. Still, compared to the subjects of many articles, your involvement has been mostly benign, which is more than we can say about some folks. --Orange Mike | Talk 02:06, 26 October 2018 (UTC)

Margaretnobleartist (talk) 02:55, 26 October 2018 (UTC) Orange Mike | Talk I hear you and it sounds like I made cardinal mistake in terms of Wikipedia etiquette and policy. My sincere apologies, I understand now that it was not appropriate for me to correct the birth year information and that another editor should have done this. I also understand that I should refer to the page as "the Wikipedia" page and not "my Wikipedia." I will endeavor to adhere by these and all other rules. With all that said, I must continue to assert that I did not write this page and I am not connected with the authors/editors in any way beyond the Wikipedia community at large."

Margaretnobleartist (talk) 02:55, 26 October 2018 (UTC)

Orangemike: I appreciate your vigilance monitoring articles for WP:COI and WP:AB infractions. In this instance, Margaretnobleartist had requested help restoring the article on the WikiProject Women Artists talk page, and I responded here, and then copied that conversation to the article's talk page. She has edited twice, both edits occurring after I introduced an error in the year of her birth, based on a source I found that erroneously gave the wrong year of her birth. When she pointed it out on the talk page, I did find another source giving the correct year of her birth, and I made the correction and added the source to the infobox. Unfortunately, I neglected to also change the date, either in the lead paragraph, or in Category:1972 births. She made the corrections, which I deemed to be uncontroversial, and in compliance with WP:AUTO#IFEXIST: In clear-cut cases, it is permissible to edit pages connected to yourself... you should feel free to remove obviously mistaken facts about yourself, such as marital status, current employer, place of birth, and so on. (Note it on the talk page.) If the fact has different interpretations, others will edit it.

Please let me know if I have misinterpreted this WP guideline, or if you have found any of the article's text to be out of compliance with WP:NPOV. I did leave a note on the article's talk page for another editor who had tagged the article while it was still in draft form without initiating a discussion for NPOV, but have had no response. Thanks for your help. Cheers! — Grand'mere Eugene (talk) 05:05, 26 October 2018 (UTC)

Confusing contradiction between WP:AUTO#IFEXIST guideline and directions on Template:Autobiography

@OrangeMike:While reading the instructions on when it's appropriate to remove the AUTOBIOGRAPHY tag, I found a this statement: Do not use this tag to identify articles whose content has been modified by their subjects in strictly superficial ways such as the correction of spelling mistakes or the fixing of layout errors (note that changes to dates or places of birth, names of employers or spouses, titles or awards the subject has won, etc., are not superficial). This seems to contradict the statement quoted above. I am confused especially by the list of items in parenthesis, since place of birth is on both lists, one saying it's okay to remove such errors, the other indicating a COI should not modify items that are "not superficial". We need consistency between these two statements, especially to be able to communicate clearly to COI editors. Are we just differentiating between "removing" and "modifying"? That conflicted line seems blurry to me. Thanks for any light you can shed on my confusion. — Grand'mere Eugene (talk) 20:47, 27 October 2018 (UTC)