User talk:MarnetteD/archive61

Margie Hines

I need some major help over here. I'm trying to cite https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0385695/ for not just Margie Hines' death date, but also her death place. Every time I keep trying to do it, it just says THIS!!! "A <ref> tag is missing the closing </ref> (see the help page)."ParaWarnerViacom-17 (talk) 17:48, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

ParaWarnerViacom-17, IMDb is not a reliable source. (talk page watcher) Schazjmd (talk) 18:07, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

Thank you Schazjmd. ParaWarnerViacom-17 please see WP:RS/IMDB. Also see the extensive comments on the talk page of the article about her death date. MarnetteD|Talk 18:55, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

ParaWarnerViacom-17 (talk) 01:26, 23 March 2020 (UTC) That's it, goodbye everyone!

Hello

Hi! Hope all is well with you in your part of the world. Everything is slowly shutting down in England. No Cannes Film Festival, no international cricket and working from home for the foreseeable! Crazy times. Take care. Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 20:47, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

Thanks so much for stopping by Lugnuts. Truly crazy times. The shutting down isn't as comprehensive here as in other parts of the US but it is heading that way. I keep waiting to see this scene outside my door. My 20+ years of buying DVDs is finally paying off as I have plenty to watch to fill the days and nights. I'm currently working through all 30 of Kurosawa's films. Even the ones labeled by some as lesser are remarkable. Stay safe and well my friend. MarnetteD|Talk 21:01, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

A Piraat for you!

Cheers! DonQuixote (talk) 16:21, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

Sip sip glug glug. Thanks DQ. MarnetteD|Talk 17:37, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

"Do not add access dates"

Writing to User talk:MarnetteD and User talk:Derek R Bullamore I would like to have the checkmark removed from the Refill tool "Do not add access dates" option. I uncheck it every time. When would we not want the date added to the citation?--Dthomsen8 (talk) 01:42, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

Hi Dthomsen8. I'm not sure where to find the answer to your question. As you probably know questions at the Zhoafeng refill talk page go unanswered. I've started more than one thread at the WP:VPT with the only one coming close to getting an answer being Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)#Requests for help regarding refill. My apologies for not being able to get you a better answer - maybe DRB will know something. Regards. MarnetteD|Talk 01:54, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

Hi again Dthomsen8. I have learned that you are using the original refill. As far as I can gather it is no longer being maintained by anyone so you will just have to keep clicking on the checkmark. I have posted some info here Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)#Logged out by using REFILL about refill2 that might be of some use for you. Cheers. MarnetteD|Talk 17:32, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

I have learned that using the old original refill tool is one way to put access dates on references, the other being to do it by hand after a URL cleanup with the new refill2 tol. Please tell me what the improvements are for the new tool, or perhaps there are only bug fixes. I have been using both. It seems to me that both may never do anything except waiting, but restarting may give success. If I want success and don't get it myself, I sometimes tag it for Cleanup, and sometimes I give up. --Dthomsen8 (talk) 02:11, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

Most understandable Dthomsen8. For me the main asset of the new tool is that it will convert bare urls in the external links section. Now it doesn't put them into cite templates but it does put them in brackets and add a title. Nothing around here is ever perfect is it :-) that just means your work is appreciated all the more. Best regards. MarnetteD|Talk 03:48, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

Happy First Edit Day!

Thank you very much CAPTAIN RAJU. Who would have thought that the piece I heard on NPR about this newish website called Wikipedia would lead to fifteen years of typing :-) Thanks again. MarnetteD|Talk 01:11, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

Esteemed colleague

Can draft works be subjected to filling by ReFill? If so, would you mind having a look in at Draft:Muck Rack, which I am trying to salvage from oblivion? If so, thank you in advance for your effort. As always, we would be helped by the appearance of complete of fields as the tool options allow, including access-date (from which we will not infer checked accuracy, only that the URL was working on that date). The article will likely be reduced to 5 sentences and 5-10 citations, when it is brought forward as a stub. Cheers, your every [address]shifty IP colleague. 98.253.16.23 (talk) 22:00, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

Hello ip. Done in part Reflinks which adds access date has been down for several days and there is no way to know when it will be going again. Feel free to add them in when you have the time. Regards. MarnetteD|Talk 22:26, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

Thank you again. I indeed had noticed in an attempt to avoid bothering you, that the Reflink I had used in past was not working properly. Thank you again for your persistent efforts at the quality of the encyclopedia. See also below, cheers. 2601:246:C700:19D:90CB:77CE:20F1:3AF4 (talk) 03:03, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

article tag

Over at Moses Inwang, I used twinkle to add the bare refs tag. It has the option to group maint tags within MI, and that is the default and I never really think about unchecking it for any reason. But if bareurls is an exception, should we try to get twinkle changed to treat that one differently and not group it. MB 01:54, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for your response MB. I know that is one of the things twinkle does. If you take a look at {{Bare URLs}} you'll see the parenthetical (One such tool to fix up some types of bare URLs is reFill, see also its documentation) - clicking on the word refill in that sentence gets the program to running. That option goes away when the template is put inside a multiple issues template and those of us who work on fixing the bare urls have to take the extra step of digging the template out. Not the worst thing in the world but those extra steps do add up when working on a list of 15 or more articles (as was the case tonight) that have been tagged with the template. OOF I hate to think of the sturm and drang to get that one little thing changed at twinkle. Some editors using twinkle have responded to my request about placing that template outside the tag others haven't. Now I know that seems to be shifting the extra step from one editor to the next :-) If you can do that it would be a help but if it is a drag on your time no worries - we will both just keep out noses to the WikiP grindstone. Cheers and stay safe in these crazy times. MarnetteD|Talk 02:10, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

It seems that the maintainer(s) of twinkle have been quite responsive to making changes, so I'm not sure there would be a lot of "sturm and drang". When I add this tag manually to an article that has one existing tag, I already keep it separate the save the effort of adding MI and then removing MI again shortly when your or someone, usually within a few hours, fixes the problem. You have provided a second reason. I think it is worth asking (I am likely to forget to uncheck the box when I'm moving quickly along doing other things). I'll put in the request. MB 02:21, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

That would be great MB. Thanks. MarnetteD|Talk 03:00, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

Please, perhaps you or another

Hello. In editing the Robert R. Redfield article, I sought to encourage some previous users to revisit the page, to help with work. In doing so I came across User:Matthewobrien. He appears in my review to be regular contributor, and to be doing standard and constructive edits. I write to you because a sockpuppet tag appears on his user page. In reviewing it, it is clear it was a passing concern, unproven, and the case was closed (with a single vote of "unlikely"). None of the original participants are active, except the accused. I cannot remove the tag from his User page. I am wondering if you could do this service (since the original and continuing evidence is that he is a fairly regular and constructive, if shy/non-communicative editor). I know people will feel more comfortable communicating with him, if the tag is removed (see my edits in his Talk page history). Cheers, your friend ip. 2601:246:C700:19D:90CB:77CE:20F1:3AF4 (talk) 03:11, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

I am sorry for letting you down in this case IP but I am just not comfortable doing this. I know this will seem silly to you but a) I am not an admin and b) that person has been editing sporadically for 12 years since the tag was placed there without it seeming to bother them. They are certainly free to remove it themselves. Perhaps one of my talk page watchers will take care of things for you or you could post your request at WP:AN. Please stay safe and well. MarnetteD|Talk 03:45, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

Robert Nisbet (sea captain)

If you do Robert Nisbet (sea captain) references, tell me about how it went. Teach me, please, what happens with Refill errors.--Dthomsen8 (talk) 17:15, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

Hmmm Dthomsen8. I'm not quite sure why an error message appeared when this formatting of the ref occurred. I do see that the page is a hodgepodge of different styles of referencing. You probably know that the tools wont fix urls unless they are completely bare so I went in and cleaned those and ran refill again. It is possible that the one ref that I had to tag as dead caused the error message but that is just a guess on my part and it might have been something else. My apologies for not being more helpful. Regards. MarnetteD|Talk 17:30, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

Other experienced editors also don't know where to place bare URLs templates

Hi MarnetteD. As you might know from filling out references after him placing them on various articles, Koavf still doesn't know where to properly place the barelinks/bare URLs template, and keeps putting it at the top of the references section. Perhaps you can explain it to him, because God knows if I go there it will devolve into an argument. Thanks. Ss112 18:28, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

I know what you mean Ss112!! The interactions I've had with K have been contentious and distasteful. I just don't have the energy or wherewithal to put up with another one of those at this time. Of course that means I have to do the extra steps to format refs on the articles that K edits so that is my penance. My apologies - sheesh at the moment I'm in a rut of letting the editors who come to my talk page down :-( Maybe when the flowers start to bloom outside my door that will change. Cheers. MarnetteD|Talk 19:23, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

100 years

To the few tpws that I have left Wednesday April 1 will mark 100 years since the birth of Toshiro Mifune. For those of you in the states TCM is showing several films that he made with Akira Kurosawa. All of them are excellent but I want to single out High and Low for those that haven't seen it. I would also like to mention a couple of his lesser known films. I Live in Fear was released in 1955. It is the only time in their AK films together that Mifune plays a character older than Takashi Shimura. It is a bit as if one had switched the roles of Lemmon and Matthau in The Odd Couple. I also like Red Sun. While not a great film it is fun and, as it also stars Charles Bronson, it features a pairing of one of the Seven Samurai with one of the The Magnificent Seven. Mifune was a force of nature and we are fortunate to be able to watch and re-watch his performances. MarnetteD|Talk 20:41, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

Thank You

I know things can get contentious at times when discussing certain subjects, and I have a great deal of respect for someone who promptly admits an error and self-reverts despite being on the opposite side of an ongoing discussion, kudos. Spectrum {{UV}} 2604:2000:8FC0:4:68BA:3B32:8613:8B6D (talk) 04:49, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

Times are tough in the supermarket...

If this happens.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 07:03, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

There is no TP Danny. For ever and ever and ever. Oof I can't tell you just how much I needed that smile today Ian. Many thanks. MarnetteD|Talk 07:08, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

"Simp" listed at Redirects for discussion

An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Simp. Since you had some involvement with the Simp redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so. —SpanishSnake (talk | contribs) 17:49, 3 April 2020 (UTC)

ReFill

Thanks for your message - yes, I used it again yesterday and wasn't logged off so fingers crossed... GiantSnowman 17:01, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

Glad to hear it GS. I appreciate this update. Cheers and happy editing :-) MarnetteD|Talk 17:23, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

Oops my bad

Sorry about posting page protection on those deletion pages again; I thought I had set it up to just up the protection from autoconfirmed to EC and not place another template but I guess that didn't go as I had planned. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 05:46, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

No worries at all Rosguill. I figured it was something along those lines. Little glitches like that can happen to anyone. I hope you are well and please stay safe. MarnetteD|Talk 06:11, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

Oh while we are here whenever you add a PP to and AFD please don't forget to put it inside a <noinclude></noinclude> tag as happened with those two. AFD's always transclude to other pages and if they don't aren't inside that tag the throw all manner of pages that the AFD is transcluded to into the Category:Wikipedia pages with incorrect protection templates. I don't think that is something that happens with your PPs but Ithought I'd take the opportunity to mention it for future reference. Cheers. MarnetteD|Talk 06:19, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

Troughton wearing his fur coat in The Five Doctors.

Re: this edit - yes but the main point is that he is wearing the coat in that story. (Come to that, the fact that he's wearing it is in itself an indication of the temperature. After all, he takes the coat off once inside the tower.) 2.24.71.72 (talk) 17:36, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

Ay yi yi IP. I botched this completely. For some reason I read The Highlanders and thought this post was about Jamie's costume not the Dr's - morning coffee hadn't kicked in - my apologies and I have already reverted. MarnetteD|Talk 18:32, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

Cheers for that. I had visions of a heated debate ensuing about whether Rassilon had central heating installed in the Tower.

(By the way - morning coffee at 1554h? Unless you're American in which case you're 5-8 hours behind UTC, so fair enough.) 2.24.71.72 (talk) 20:49, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

Yep IP I'm in the Mountain Time Zone so six hours difference while daylight savings time is in effect. The question of central heating in the tower is great. Brings a smile to my day and that is most appreciated right now :-) MarnetteD|Talk 20:55, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

Incidentally, on the subject of The Five Doctors and cold outside temperatures, it was reportedly very chilly indeed on location filming the Death Zone in Snowdonia in 1983. Apparently Lis Sladen was turning blue! Director Peter Moffatt suggested she and Jon Pertwee should slap each other round the face to warm up. John Nathan Turner heard this and voluntered to slap them both, but the pair point blank refused! 2.24.71.72 (talk) 21:27, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

Great stuff IP. I remember that story though I've forgotten where I read it. I was lucky enough to have Lis and Jon sign a copy of Dr Who Monthly at a convention in August of 83 (so yes I am old although not timey wimey ancient yet) so it was after they'd filmed the special but before it had aired. Cheers. MarnetteD|Talk 21:37, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

In fact if you have the special edition DVD of The Five Doctors go to the hour long documentary about all of the celebrations that went on that year. Near the end they have clips from the convention in Chicago that was held the last weekend in November. In one you'll see Jon, Patrick and Lis in Sarah's Andy Pandy costume. I'm in that room :-) though not onscreen. MarnetteD|Talk 21:37, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

Strathpeffer Pavilion

How can you do Strathpeffer Pavilion reference, but I cannot?--Dthomsen8 (talk) 19:26, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello D. I tried refill first (which you probably did too) and when it didn't work I used reflinks. If you haven't used that tool before you go to this page and copy paste the title of the article into the box at the top and then click on the "fix bare references" button. It will fix many (though not all) of the refs that refill doesn't. Citer is then available for any left over.

Here are the steps I usually take.

1. Run refill - its big advantage over the other two is that can fix as many refs as are bare in an article - well up to a couple hundred anyway - I bumped into a list that had over 1700 bare urls the other day and it ground to a halt.
2. Run reflinks for any that refill can't fix. Its plus is that it will mark some (though not all) dead links with the proper template. Its minus is that it will stop after trying to fix 21 bare urls. So if there are more than that on an article you will have to run it more than once.
3. Run citer. Unfortunately it can only work on one ref at a time so that is why I use it last. With this tool you have to copy the entire bare url into the top field and then click on the "submit" button.
4. If there are any stubborn ones that these tools can't fix (most often these are PDF files) you have to do them manually. Click on the reference and it will either go to the ref or it will show as a dead link. If it is dead you can just add the {{dead link|date=April 2020}} tag. If it goes to information you can learn how to use the Wikipedia:Citation templates#Examples to format them properly. You can also just leave them for someone else to mop up. Now this is just my process - other editors will do things differently so it is a case of whatever works for you is just fine.

One more thing while you are here. You used the {{More footnotes}} template on that SP article That template is actually for articles that have a couple refs but several items in a "sources" or "External links" section. That article had one ref and two ELs so the correct template is {{Refimprove}} which asks for more references. I know the terminology in the templates is a little counter intuitive but if you read the message templates that they generate I think you will see what I mean. I know this is a lot of information to absorb. There will be a learning curve as you experiment with the tools. If I can be of more help just let me know. Best regards. MarnetteD|Talk 20:55, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

Always more to learn, Marnette, even after 12 years.Dthomsen8 (talk) 22:56, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

Always always D. When we get close to figuring things out they update or change it and then we start all over :-) Cheers. MarnetteD|Talk 22:59, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

useless effort on retirement age page

you must be nuts to say i turn formatted refs into bare urls. --Wuerzele (talk) 20:05, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

I am nuts Wuerzele as you did not do what I stated in the edit summay. I did not scroll down far enough My apologies. OTOH adding bare url tag to an article that has no bare urls is nuts as well. One of the templates you can use is {{Full citations needed}} in this situation. I have added it to the article in question. MarnetteD|Talk 20:14, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

Messed up the ping Wuerzele. MarnetteD|Talk 20:15, 12 April 2020 (UTC)

Ha!

This theory, which is yours, which belongs to you made me smile. --bonadea contributions talk 15:30, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

I am glad about that B. I did second guess myself for a moment or two about adding it but I decided a little levity in these troubling times might be worth any backlash. Thus, your smile is doubly appreciated. Many thanks. MarnetteD|Talk 15:34, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

Genre

Hey, I know why you reverted/used this edit summary as I was just going through the same contribs. I wanted to point out the edit summary here is not right. I don't blame you since there was a pattern of edits and all the others were like that, easy to see how that happened. I was going to try to source the dates but busy IRL right now, if you have time that's great, otherwise I might get to it later. Kees08 (Talk) 19:02, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Thanks Kees08. I was dealing with one of our IP hoppers whose main edits are messing with genres and that got caught up in the fix. I also make some booboos with edit summary drop down menu errors sometimes. Apologies and cheers to you. MarnetteD|Talk 19:07, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

No problem, thanks for taking care of the situation. Cheers. Kees08 (Talk) 19:19, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

RfC

Good day! Please take a look at this discussion. With regards. Bionic (talk) 10:45, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

please stop removing linkrot flags

please stop removing linkrot flags if you are doing nothing but adding the name of the website. It is no service. we need to add dates, authors, archive.--Wuerzele (talk) 21:02, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

I already showed you above what template to use if you wish for the formatting of the cite template to have more items in them Wuerzele. I am using the tools approved by the community at large. You can certainly ask at the WP:VPT to have them do more. MarnetteD|Talk 21:22, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

Reflinks

Hello MD, and thanks for repeatedly fixing bare PDF URLs in 2020 coronavirus pandemic in the Czech Republic. I'd be glad to do that myself, rather than leave a bare URLs tag for you, but I can't work out how you use Reflinks to do PDFs, e.g. here. I'm probably missing something quite obvious: any tips for the dim? Thanks, Capewearer (talk) 17:37, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Hi Capewearer. One of the quirks of reflinks is that it wont completely format some pdfs. It will put them in an editing field where you can work on them manually. After running the tool you will see is a the bare url in a set of ref tags. Then at the bottom left is a drop down menu with various cite template names - you click on one of those (I usually chose "cite web") and it will put the url in the template with some blank fields. You fill those out and add any that you think necessary and proceed from there. Refill will only fix 21 refs at a time so if the article has more than that you will have to run it more than once. I don't know how to take a screen shot to show you what any of this looks like but I suspect you will get the hang of it after you work with them. Thanks for all your work on that article and elsewhere on the 'pedia. MarnetteD|Talk 19:00, 20 April 2020 (UTC)