Martin sv 85

Help:IPA for Swedish

Hello, you reverted a detail that seems obviously wrong. Please note the shape of the "a", compare with the general IPA guide and listen to the sound. Being a native speaker, it also sounds really incorrect. Regards A6tf3t (talk) 14:30, 1 April 2016 (UTC)

The long "a" in Swedish is lightly rounded in Stockholm, more strongly rounded in Gothenburg and unrounded in northern accents (see Thomas Riad - The phonology of Swedish (2014)). Martin sv 85 (talk) 14:34, 1 April 2016 (UTC)

Also, the accuracy of the recording at open back rounded vowel is irrelevant when it comes to placing the Swedish vowel. Ideally, open back rounded vowel would have the recording of the cardinal vowel [ɒ], which only coincidentally could have the same quality as a vowel in a particular language. Martin sv 85 (talk) 14:54, 1 April 2016 (UTC)

Open back rounded vowel should be correct, my mistake, sorry. It is however quite confusing, as ɒ is replaced (still?) by ɑː in the table (compare Help:IPA for English where those sounds are treated differently). The proncunciation files also suggest, if superficially (as you clarified above, the accuracy of the recording is not relevant), that ɒ is less correct. Sorry again. A6tf3t (talk) 15:40, 1 April 2016 (UTC) PS Instead of deleting your user talk page you may want to consider archiving it.

No need to apologize, but no problem. I'm all for replacing ⟨ɑː⟩ with ⟨ɒː⟩ (both on Swedish phonology and Help:IPA for Swedish (as well as, of course, transcriptions that link to it)), but I'm not sure whether other editors would agree.

Thanks for the advice, I'll see what I can do. Martin sv 85 (talk) 21:13, 1 April 2016 (UTC)

Help:IPA for German (almost completely off topic though)

I guess the world has seen worse teams than the two of us. Ik ben Duitser maar mijn vader was een Belg, dus ik praat ook een mondje Nederlands — ofschoon ik de voorkeur aan het Frans geef. So if you don't happen to remember a word in one language you can always use a term from another one for ease and speed of communication with me. As far as such matters are concerned I am like that: Often "foreign" expressions occur to me first, and I find it hard to figure out an equivalent in my very mother tongue. — A big thank you for your patience and co-operation.

P.S. I've always loved The Hague, with all its parks, Scheveningen beach and, not least of all, Madurodam. ;) Love —LiliCharlie (talk) 20:43, 1 April 2016 (UTC)

Geen probleem! I'll keep that in mind, but I hope that I'll be able to use English without problems, lol. I also caught myself a few times even not knowing how to say something in Dutch, but knew the English expression (can't think of examples though). I don't think it's a big problem though, as it's obviously not an everyday thing.

Yeah, The Hague is lovely, no? Madurodam is really cool, but it also always struck me as a bit funny... like a city for mice or something. Which doesn't mean it's not impressive - it is. Martin sv 85 (talk) 21:09, 1 April 2016 (UTC)

Madurodam is definitely superior to, say, Amsterdam's Madame Tussauds wax museum. I never left without discovering something astonishingly new, and I never felt like a mouse either (nor like shrimping). Do they still feature ice sculptures in winter? (Or rather: Is there still a genuine winter in The Hague these days?) Love —LiliCharlie (talk) 21:32, 1 April 2016 (UTC)

I wouldn't know, cause about the only times I travelled within the Randstad was to watch Feyenoord live in the season in which it won the UEFA Cup. My father got me a couple of fake sick notes just to let us watch the matches live. Good times. It may seem a bit weird (the distance between cities in that region are really small), but I've never felt a need to leave my neighbourhood before I left the country. I only recently returned to The Hague, having worked abroad for years (Belgium, UK, Ireland, Scandinavia), but I'm not sure how long I'll stay.

I actually meant the other way around (see here). But yes, the level of detail with which they made some of the replicas is incredible. It's been a while since I visited, but the images on Google Images are really impressive and remind me of my visits there.

I wouldn't know, but I'm not sure why they wouldn't be featuring them.

It's mixed, but maybe it depends how strict one is with the term "genuine". My mother says that if you want to experience genuine winter you'd either have to live in the mountains or go to Russia, but maybe she's exaggerating a bit. It's also not unusual to have snow mixed with rain while the temperature outside is above zero, so it both doesn't last very long and is a material for real nasty snowballs. I'm not a fan of winter. If I had to choose the kind of temperature that would last the whole year, I'd choose ~20C spring with little to no wind. Martin sv 85 (talk) 22:17, 1 April 2016 (UTC)

/ɪ/

Hello, this pronunciation is [ˈɹʷæbɪtʰ], [ˈɹʷæbətʰ] or [ˈɹʷæbɛtʰ]? Fête Phung (talk) 21:40, 2 April 2016 (UTC)

The second vowel sounds like [ɪ]. Martin sv 85 (talk) 21:50, 2 April 2016 (UTC)

But it's more open than [ɪ]. Fête Phung (talk) 00:50, 3 April 2016 (UTC)

Maybe the speaker has more of a California accent. Martin sv 85 (talk) 01:04, 3 April 2016 (UTC)

It's [ˈɹʷæbe̞tʰ]? Fête Phung (talk) 01:47, 3 April 2016 (UTC)

No, I don't find that an accurate transcription. It's [ɪ], but maybe a little more central and/or slightly lower than the "normal" [ɪ]. Martin sv 85 (talk) 08:29, 3 April 2016 (UTC)

[ˈɹʷæbɪ̞tʰ]. Fête Phung (talk) 22:01, 3 April 2016 (UTC)

That's how you transcribe a lowered [ɪ], if that's your question. Martin sv 85 (talk) 22:11, 3 April 2016 (UTC)

Quebec accent

[ˈtãpɛɪ̯t] or [ˈtãpæɪ̯t]? Fête Phung (talk) 22:38, 3 April 2016 (UTC)

I'm happy to answer any new questions, but please leave out those already answered. I stand by Peter's judgement - the diphthong is [æi̯], give or take some centralization of the first element. Martin sv 85 (talk) 22:53, 3 April 2016 (UTC)

Peter heard [iˈvæːʁ̥], but I heard [iˈvæɛ̯̈ʁ̥]. Fête Phung (talk) 01:28, 4 April 2016 (UTC)

Ok... and? Martin sv 85 (talk) 01:40, 4 April 2016 (UTC)

I'm right? Fête Phung (talk) 09:37, 4 April 2016 (UTC)

"I'm happy to answer any new questions, but please leave out those already answered." It means don't repost questions that have already been answered. Martin sv 85 (talk) 12:03, 4 April 2016 (UTC)

I've just checked, and you've been asking at least three editors (Johnny Au (Wikipedia, see also the archives), Peter238 (Wikipedia), Wikitiki89 (Wiktionary) the very same (or at least really similar) questions. Don't you get tired of this? Martin sv 85 (talk) 14:40, 4 April 2016 (UTC)

Back in early 2014 when this user asked these questions to me they first used (Canadian?) IPs and then the user name Fort123. The French Wikipedia indefinitely blocked Fort123 because they were identified as a sockpuppet of indefinitely blocked user Fête (recognize the name?), and on Wikimedia Incubator Fort123 was indefinitely blocked for being a sockpuppet of user À la 雞 who was at that time blocked for "[f]requent multiple cross-wiki unconstructive edits." — I'm not a health professional, but to me this user's never getting tired seems pathological. Love —LiliCharlie (talk) 16:03, 4 April 2016 (UTC)

Why don't I find that surprising? What's weird is that his questions were answered really well back in September 2015 by Peter238. I compared the audio with a couple of your transcriptions on your talk page, and they also are very satisfying. I don't know what else he wants, he already knows opinions of at least two editors that know what they're talking about. Maybe go to a university, Fete? Learn phonetics and then make your own narrow transcriptions of whatever you want. Would be much more efficient, no? Martin sv 85 (talk) 16:29, 4 April 2016 (UTC)

It's a pity Peter238 is no longer active on Wikipedia while some restless weirdos are hyperactive. Love —LiliCharlie (talk) 16:44, 4 April 2016 (UTC)

I wouldn't even mind flooding my talk page with questions about pronunciation, but they should be new questions that actually need answering. If Fete (or anyone) has such questions, he can post here with no problems. Martin sv 85 (talk) 17:45, 4 April 2016 (UTC)

Yes, why not. Personally I much prefer inquirers who don't ask "A or B?" deliberately excluding other possible answers. I also prefer people who are able to explain what they are doing, and how and why. My impression is that Fête needs to change their methodology, which seems random. Love —LiliCharlie (talk) 18:32, 4 April 2016 (UTC)

I don't find it that much of a problem, as you can simply answer "C" anyway. After all, you're asked to state your opinion. Martin sv 85 (talk) 18:41, 4 April 2016 (UTC)

Still it's not a good way to approach a "test person" here, as you never know which cultural background a user on en.WP comes from, and in some cultures answer C in reply to "A or B?" is simply not acceptable. Love —LiliCharlie (talk) 19:09, 4 April 2016 (UTC)

I guess you're right about that. Martin sv 85 (talk) 19:19, 4 April 2016 (UTC)

I have a NYC-born (now Californian) brother-in-law who once told me that his cousins in New Zealand are like that. He simply couldn't ask them alternative questions because they seemed to feel compelled to decide for one of the alternatives. Maybe they were anxious for him to lose his face, my brother-in-law conjectured. Love —LiliCharlie (talk) 20:13, 4 April 2016 (UTC)

Kind of like the "whatever people" ("- Pizza or burgers? - Whatever."), or at least their inverted counterpart. I used to piss off my sister no end because of that :P Martin sv 85 (talk) 21:49, 4 April 2016 (UTC)

Poor zustertje! ;-) Love —LiliCharlie (talk) 22:07, 4 April 2016 (UTC)

P.S.: Next time somebody asks "[ˈtãpɛɪ̯t] or [ˈtãpæɪ̯t]?" my answer will be either "both" or "whatever." Splendid idea. Love —LiliCharlie (talk) 22:47, 4 April 2016 (UTC)

That's free anger management classes for my sister, LOL. I'll make sure to refer her to you if she decides to learn French ;) Martin sv 85 (talk) 23:00, 4 April 2016 (UTC)

She's so welcome — though I believe people from The Hague are better served learning English, Chinese or Frisian. ;-) Love —LiliCharlie (talk) 23:11, 4 April 2016 (UTC)

Talk:Second grade

Helle Martin, please check the page of Talk:Second grade. Fête Phung (talk) 02:26, 8 April 2016 (UTC)

sausage

• http://fr.forvo.com/word/sausage/#en

Hello! The British woman pronounce it [ˈsɔseɪdʒ], this pronunciation is correct? Fête Phung (talk) 13:39, 20 April 2016 (UTC)

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