User talk:MathKnight/Archives3

'Archives of User Talk:MathKnight from December 4, 2004 to July 19, 2005

The Humungous Image Tagging Project

Hi. You've helped with the Wikipedia:WikiProject Wiki Syntax, so I thought it worth alerting you to the latest and greatest of Wikipedia fixing project, User:Yann/Untagged Images, which is seeking to put copyright tags on all of the untagged images. There are probably, oh, thirty thousand or so to do (he said, reaching into the air for a large figure). But hey: they're images ... you'll get to see lots of random pretty pictures. That must be better than looking for at at and the the, non? You know you'll love it. best wishes --Tagishsimon (talk)

Article Licensing

Hi, I've started a drive to get users to multi-license all of their contributions that they've made to either (1) all U.S. state, county, and city articles or (2) all articles, using the Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike (CC-by-sa) v1.0 and v2.0 Licenses or into the public domain if they prefer. The CC-by-sa license is a true free documentation license that is similar to Wikipedia's license, the GFDL, but it allows other projects, such as WikiTravel, to use our articles. Since you are among the top 1000 Wikipedians by edits, I was wondering if you would be willing to multi-license all of your contributions or at minimum those on the geographic articles. Over 90% of people asked have agreed. For More Information:

• Multi-Licensing FAQ - Lots of questions answered
• Multi-Licensing Guide
• Free the Rambot Articles Project

To allow us to track those users who muli-license their contributions, many users copy and paste the "{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}" template into their user page, but there are other options at Template messages/User namespace. The following examples could also copied and pasted into your user page:

Option 1

I agree to [[Wikipedia:Multi-licensing|multi-license]] all my contributions, with the exception of my user pages, as described below:

{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}

OR

Option 2

I agree to [[Wikipedia:Multi-licensing|multi-license]] all my contributions to any [[U.S. state]], county, or city article as described below:

{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}

Or if you wanted to place your work into the public domain, you could replace "{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}" with "{{MultiLicensePD}}". If you only prefer using the GFDL, I would like to know that too. Please let me know what you think at my talk page. It's important to know either way so no one keeps asking. – Ram-Man ^{(comment) (talk)}[[]] 15:31, Dec 9, 2004 (UTC)

Left & antiwar again

Please see my question to you at Talk:Left-wing_politics#Cut_the_nonsense_away, following User:Soman's comment. -- Jmabel | Talk 01:17, Dec 10, 2004 (UTC)

E-mail

Hi, could you please e-mail me again? I sent you an e-mail a while ago, but you didn't respond. Jayjg 17:20, 21 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Sorry for the late reply, my e-mail was doing problems and I rarely check this account for that. I just checked and found 2 messages you sent me. One about Jenin (I ment 500-3000 as you mentioned) and as for the other - I just sent a reply. Write me here if you send a reply so I'll check.

And again, I'm sorry for the long delay and late response. MathKnight 17:48, 21 Dec 2004 (UTC)

State terrorism

I've restored your version of the section. Let's work on producing a new version in Talk: that is meaningful. You might find some resistance to this action. Jayjg 21:58, 22 Dec 2004 (UTC)

I think it is the right think to do. I also think we should limit the paragraph's length. I really don't think the paragraph on Israel should be the longest in this article. I think the temporary template is a good basis to work on, with adding the Turkish PM quote and refering the readers to other articles dealing with the current conflict in the WB and GS. MathKnight 22:03, 22 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Jewishness of Lost Ten Tribes questioned

Hi MathKnight: Would you mind taking a look at Talk:Lost Ten Tribes#Question about Jewishness of Lost Ten Tribes where a contributing editor asks in all seriousness: "...Is it NPOV and factually correct to state emphatically that the Kingdom of Israel was Jewish? The reason I ask is because if you follow Jewish religious texts (I have a number in my own library) and then compare them with secular non-religious academic texts (I have a number in my own library), then you end up with two different accounts...." Please let us have your input ASAP. Thanks. IZAK 08:20, 30 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Modern anti-Semitism

Hi, the editor Deeceevoice has some things to say at Modern anti-Semitism that I thought you might find interesting, since you've done some recent work on the article. Jayjg | (Talk) 19:50, 30 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Please see User talk:Humus sapiens/project. ←Humus sapiens←Talk 19:05, 7 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Important VOTE about "Jew"

Hi MathKnight: There is an important VOTE about "Jew" Please see Template talk:Jew#Vote on new template at [1] Thank you! IZAK 07:20, 3 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Hi MK. Another opportunity to express your opinion: Talk:Israeli violence against Palestinian children#Article title (poll). Thx. ←Humus sapiens←Talk 06:03, 12 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Khan Yunis article

Palestine-info had some concerns about sources for some of the information you entered in the Khan Yunis article. Could you go there and comment/provide sources please? Thanks. Jayjg ^(talk) 21:05, 28 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Fictitious force

If you have the time, would you be willing to review the recent major rewrite of Fictitious force? I came across it while reviewing anon recent changes. That's not my area of expertise so I can't tell if the new version is better or worse. Thank you. SWAdair | Talk 10:37, 29 Jan 2005 (UTC)

• Ah, I just discovered that the anon is also a registered user -- User:Cleon Teunissen. If you trust Cleon's work, you might not even want to review. Happy editing! SWAdair | Talk 10:42, 29 Jan 2005 (UTC)

VfD on Jewish ethnocentrism

There is a VfD on Jewish ethnocentrism, I thought you might be interested. You'll find the discussion and vote at Wikipedia:Votes_for_deletion/Jewish_ethnocentrism. Jayjg ^(talk) 19:55, 1 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Jenin massacre

Good thinking, MK. I got so used to the hoax term that didn't even think of a neutral name. ←Humus sapiens←Talk 11:11, 13 Feb 2005 (UTC)

New Historians

Please see my query at Talk:New Historians. I'm perfectly happy to have your material back in the article, but someo f what you wrote it is incomprehensible. -- Jmabel | Talk 19:13, Feb 25, 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the notice. I answered you there... MathKnight 19:52, 25 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Current events and present tense

• Current Events entries should be written in the present tense. Otherwise great - Skysmith 09:35, 2 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Ok. MathKnight 16:14, 2 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Anti-globalization and Anti-Semitism

You might be interested in Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Anti-globalization and Anti-Semitism. Jayjg ^(talk) 17:36, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I already voted there. I suggest you may save a copy of the article, since so far the majority tends for Delete or renameing (though I think they are wrong here). MathKnight 18:14, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Shalom MK, take a look at Wikipedia:Votes_for_deletion/Right_to_exist, Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Izziehugger. Thanks. ←Humus sapiens←Talk 07:51, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Israeli West Bank barrier

Would you mind weighing in on a dispute I am having with User:Majestiq at Israeli West Bank barrier? Thanks. Jayjg ^(talk) 01:11, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)

User:Powergrid

Please note the "contributions" of User:Powergrid; he seem determined to violate Wikipedia's content and NPOV rules. Jayjg ^(talk) 23:29, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)

User:Irishpunktom

It appears that User:Irishpunktom is reverting my edits blindly on several articles, primarily Arab-Israeli conflict, Terrorism, and Popular Resistance Committees. I'd be interested in a 3rd part take on the controversy, if you don't mind. Jayjg ^(talk) 14:31, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I'll take a look. Please provide me some background so it will be easier to locate the changes in dispute. MathKnight 15:55, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Israel-Jordan Treaty of Peace

Shalom MathKnight: The Israel-Jordan Treaty of Peace article remains a stub, which is a great pity. This subject deserves to become a comprehensive detailed article because it is a clear demonstration of how Israeli-Arab peace WAS and CAN BE achieved. Often it is just "brushed" aside, or brushed under the carpet, or ignored, even by those writing articles about Jordan, see Jordan#History and Jordan#Foreign relations, and in many other related articles where such an article would be helpful to them as a link with good information. If you are at all able to, please contribute material to Israel-Jordan Treaty of Peace. Thank you. IZAK 05:11, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I expanded the article. Please check it out. It is very sad that is issue is being whitewash and covered. MathKnight 11:35, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Also on the Jordan article it says very briefly "negotiated an end to hostilities with Israel and signed a declaration to that effect on 25 July 1994 (see Washington Declaration)" with no information about what the "Washington Declaration" is all about? In fact there is even NO article about the Washington Declaration at all. IZAK 12:00, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I added a link to text of the Declaration and elborated a bit on it. MathKnight 13:41, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Thank you for your efforts, I'll look at it, and: I looked at your contributions, it's a 101% improvement, it's a real article...now let us see people argue "against" peace...which I am sure they will try to do...but thank you for your work here! IZAK 12:00, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)

• The same applies to the Israel-Egypt Peace Treaty article. See what you can contribute. Thanks again! IZAK 11:51, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)
  • I'll take a loot at it when I'll have more spare time... MathKnight 07:55, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Hebron Protocol

Shalom MathKnight: There is nothing about the Hebron Protocol (as an example of how Israel negotiated in good faith with the PLO in 1997), see for example how it's mentioned at History of Israel#Hebron and Wye River agreements. Perhaps you could also add to the Wye River Memorandum article which I just edited (someone wanted to send it to Wiki-texts, so I turned it it more of an article). Thanks a lot! IZAK 08:38, 3 May 2005 (UTC)

Template talk:Israelis

Hi Mathknight, please see current discussion at Template talk:Israelis. Thank you. IZAK 05:16, 5 May 2005 (UTC)

Jaffa, Israel

Hi, Mathknihght. The above mentioned article is now very much biased against Israel. can you do something to make it more even? It actually ignores 6,000 years of history, and concentrates on 1948 events which are described in a very pro palestinian manner. I have expanded the hebrew article today from a stub into something more feasible. you can use it to make this pro palestinian propoganda article into an informative Wikipaedia article. I'd do it myself, but my English is bot good enough. you can also contact me on the Heb wiki regarding this subject. I'd hate to keep seeing this article the way it is now. hoping you'd help. greetings Almog 17:24, 7 May 2005 (UTC)

I'll start working on it. Thanks. MathKnight 17:53, 7 May 2005 (UTC)

I started working out the article. I concentrated the problematic sections and put an NPOV label on it. I don't know yet what to do with them, wholesale delete them or reedit them extensively. Also, I started translating History from the Hebrew Wikipedia. MathKnight 19:19, 7 May 2005 (UTC)

Thank you for your efforts. The article is now at least readable, and much more useful for a reader looking for facts rather than propoganda. The NPOV part should be reduced to one or two lines, but i'm afrais this will bring the edit war that will ruin your efforts so far. Iv'e put the article on my watchlist, However, I'm not aroubd here (En Wiki) this often. Shalom Almog 03:06, 8 May 2005 (UTC)

BC/AD versus BCE/CE

There's a discussion and a vote on this topic going on at Talk:Jesus#Reversions & Consensus on BCE/AD; I thought you might be interested. Jayjg ^(talk) 18:37, 10 May 2005 (UTC)

Honsestly, I don't see the difference between BC\AD to BCE\CE, since they both refer to the Christian dating system. MathKnight 20:38, 10 May 2005 (UTC)

Email?

Shalom Math: Do you have an Email address where you can be reached? You can click on the "E-mail this user" on my user page. Thanks. IZAK 08:53, 20 May 2005 (UTC)

Need IDF Chiefs articles

Hi MathKnight: As you can see at: History of the Israel Defense Forces#List of Chiefs of the General Staff, there are no articles about six (out of 18) of the Israel Defense Forces' Chiefs of Staff: (1) Dan Shomron (1987-1991); (2) Moshe Levi (1983-1987); (3) Mordechai Gur (1974-1978); (4) David Elazar (1972-1974); (5) Tzvi Tzur (1961-1963); (6) Chaim Laskov (1958-1961). Are you able to provide some history and information about them? Thank you. IZAK 10:57, 22 May 2005 (UTC)

I'll start translating the parallel aricles from the Hebrew Wikipedia. So far I added Mote Gur. MathKnight 19:36, 22 May 2005 (UTC)

Great job! I think that between Danny, you and me we did 4 of the 6 by now. Can you and Danny do one more each? Thanks, gidonb 20:24, 22 May 2005 (UTC)

I added Tzur as well. MathKnight 21:21, 22 May 2005 (UTC)

Thanks! I will ask Danny to go for Dado. gidonb 00:16, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

Thank you all for your help, I have now proof-read the (English-usage of the) articles. Most of them are pretty good, but the David Elazar article is really a very short stub (too short). Please try to add more information about him if you can. Thanks again! IZAK 06:51, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Wikiportal/Israel

Shalom Math: Please contact User:Humus sapiens who wishes to start a Wikipedia:Wikiportal/Israel See his request below. Thanks IZAK 06:51, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

Hi IZAK (and everyone else here :), Do you think it's time to create Wikipedia:Wikiportal/Israel similar to Wikipedia:Wikiportal/India, Wikipedia:Wikiportal/New Zealand and other Category:Wikiportals? I'm writing this here because it was you who made those wonderful templates and we don't have a portal yet where we could communicate. What do you think? ←Humus sapiens←Talk 05:26, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

• Hi Humus, it's only me here, but I will pass your message on to "everyone". Yes, your suggestion is excellent, it is certainly time for what you describe, but I have no experience with Wikipedia portals, and if you know how, go ahead and start an Israel portal and I am sure editors of Israel-related articles will support you and join in the effort/s. Behatzlachah. IZAK 05:33, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

Hi MK, consider youself invited to WP:WNBI. Spread the word. ←Humus sapiens←Talk 09:41, 29 May 2005 (UTC)

Banu Qurayza

Hi, I received this request: "Banu Qurayza I'd be interested in your thoughts, and if you have time, your help in editing.Briangotts 02:34, 31 May 2005 (UTC)" Are you able to take a look at it, it's also being "disputed". Thanks. IZAK 03:41, 31 May 2005 (UTC)

Photo of Dan Halutz etc

Hi, I added the {{Fairuse}} template to DanHalutz06.jpg. You should do this yourself in the future when adding ANY image or map, as it's required, or the "Wikipolice" will list the image/s for deletion claiming it's not adequately "tagged", please familiarize yourself with Wikipedia:Image copyright tags and in particular Wikipedia:Image copyright tags#Fair use for your own sake, to understand which tags best fit or describe the copyright status of an image to be used on Wikipedia. Best wishes, IZAK 02:14, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I didn't new the exact template by I did written it was "fair use". Thanks for adding the template. MathKnight 06:07, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Battle of Jenin 2002 death toll

Do you know why, in most places the total final count is 52, whereas in places it mentions that 47 miliantants and 7 civilians were killed? Can this be fixed? If the latter is a preliminary figure let me know so the tone can be changed. -- Tomhab 11:45, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I know the death toll stabilized on 52-56. Taking in account, the some bodies may have been blown up or crushed under the rubbles during the battle, I think the various estimates comes from remains which the forensic expert do not know if they are belong to one body or two. Since the Palestnians do not have organized method and agencies to indentify victims, a variation of 4 out of 50+ can be considered as "accurate". Also note that in Operations like Operation Rainbow and Operation Days of Penitence there is no dispute over Israeli casualties but there is large dispute over Palestnian casualties (for example: Operation Day of Penitence reports about Palestinian casualties varies between 104 to 133!). MathKnight 12:42, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Lone wolf actors on Terrorism

I've made some edits to this section, and commented on them in Talk:, but am meeting with some resistance. Since you were heavily involved in editing this section before, I wonder if you'd take a look. Jayjg ^(talk) 23:34, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Israel or Palestine for the region?

Hi MathKnight, please see the heated discussion at Talk:History of ancient Israel and Judah#Israel or Palestine for the region? over revisionist attempts to eradicate mention of (ancient!) "Israel" and "Judah" entirely in favor of "Palestine". Please add your views. Thank you. IZAK 12:03, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Proposal to merge Occupations of Palestine

There is currently a proposal to merge Occupations of Palestine with History of Palestine. Since you have done extensive work on this article, I thought you might want to comment. You'll find the discussion at Talk:Occupations of Palestine. Jayjg ^(talk) 19:27, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Massacree VfD

Please see Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/List of massacres committed during the Al-Aqsa Intifada. Cheers. -- BD2412 ^talk 14:12, 2005 Jun 15 (UTC)

Current events page and the Israeli-Palestinian conflict

HI there. Would it be possible for you to reconsider adding so much material on Current events pertaining to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict? I understand from Jayjg (see article talk page) that this may proceed from a dispute you have with User:Irishpunktom, but the article has very limited space, and it is currently concentrating on minor incidents in this conflict to the detriment of other, more newsworthy occurrences.

Today (June 20), for example, 13 people were killed in a Suicide bomb attaack in Irbil, Iraq; five were killed in Nepal, and 125 have died in in an Indian heatwave, yet (as of writing) two minor incidents in a long-running conflict occupy a third of the entire entry. Irrespective of whether the entry pertains to the actions of either side in the conflict, I think it would be better for Wikipedia if all editors could agree to strive for a bit of proportionality here.

I will also place a similar message on Irishpunktom's user page, although he is apparently away at the moment, so there might not be a response for a little while. For the time being, please try and restrict your entries on that page. Thanks illWill 16:00, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

You do have a point, but as I understood from others, the Isr-Pal conflict takes here and the news a much greater place proportionaly to the number of people killed. It is true that the news update can be shortened but since there is much argument about each detail (who carried it, who claimed responsibility, what was the statue of the one got killed, should we say "allegdly" or not, etc) this updated tended to enlong themselves. One option is to enlarge other events to return to proportion. Other is to shorten here and offer a redirect from current events to Violence in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict 2005, were such events cound be reported broadly. MathKnight 16:28, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I agree, it is certainly assumes an importance disproportionate to the number of people killed. However, I think current events is there to help people learn about things which can be described as 'out of the ordinary' - whereas the events from the Isr-pal conflict that find their way there are depressingly ordinary. Major developments should always be included, but I don't see how an attempted suicide bombing can assume precedence over many other notweworthy news items. I agree that these things are a terrible fact of life for the inhabitants of the region, but they just aren't unusual enough to warrant inclusioon in such a small section. Balance is fine, but the news sections shouldn't really get bigger, so everything included is to the detriment of other issues.

I would also disagree that there should be a redirect to Violence in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict 2005, as this still constitutes bias towards this conflict in favour of others. Important as the conflict is in terms of geopolitics, many more people are being killed in civil wars that are compeletely ignored by Wikipedia. I just don't think a running tally of the victims from either side is encyclopaedic.illWill 16:56, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Recent edits

I've just noticed User:Ramallite's recent and highly POV edits at Ramallah [2] and Mukataa [3]. You might want to keep an eye out for these articles, and look for similar edits by him on other articles. Jayjg ^(talk) 17:03, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Israeli West Bank barrier is the latest. Jayjg ^(talk) 19:03, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Poll at Talk:Terrorism

I've put together a little poll at Talk:Terrorism regarding the "lone wolf" section. Your input would be appreciated. Thx. Jayjg ^(talk) 19:42, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Go look at Image:Flail01.png

That image you created quite recently has turned into somewhat of an award. I hope you don't mind :) Redwolf24 07:45, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

I find this very nice indeed :) MathKnight 08:28, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

haha. put it on WP:KC so it doesn't become lost :) Redwolf24 08:29, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

Here it is

Current Events On Isr-Pal Conflict

Hey there,

My name is Neetzan, and I am writing you because you seem as concerned as I am about the appalling attitude of those editing the current events page towards the Isr-Pal conflict. Regarding changes made to the most recent entry, i.e. the seven militants killed, I think it is disgraceful how such flagrant pro-Palestinian propaganda is being allowed. While the CNN source provided clearly states that seven militants have been killed, a criminally misleading agenda-driven outright LIE regarding two dead civilians is allowed to remain on the current events page. Also, I would like to point out that the long-running pro-Palestinian bias of the BBC is well known to Israelis, and thus it is never trusted in matters pertaining to the conflict. Please see if you can battle this, as I have already received a "vandalism" notice (and here I thought correcting an abhorrently biased article would be welcomed).

I would also like to take the opportunity to say that I am outraged that someone would consider the time when a young lady studying for her semester finals is struck down by terrorists appropriate to discuss whether Nativ Ha'asara is disputed territory or not. To be sure it is NOT disputed. However, this couldn't be farther from the point, which is that no one deserves to die such an heartless death, and there should be no mercy for the killers of women.

Thank you, and keep fighting the good fight.

Neetzan.

Thank you for your concern. I'm doing my best to supply an accurate picture of what going on in the Isr-Pal conflict and fix many wrong details, misinformation and even balant lies. You shouldn't be affraid of editing Wikipedia yourself, just stick to Wikipedia guidelines and editing rules and try to explain your edits. MathKnight 21:56, 16 July 2005 (UTC)

Rabin conspiracies

Thanks for letting me know about this editor. BTW, you might be interested in this VfD: Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Religious persecution by Jews. Jayjg ^(talk) 19:28, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

Mistake in your quotes

"V'Ahavta l'ray'acha kamocha" isn't Rabbi Akiva's quote, it's from the Torah, in Vayikra/Leviticus (Chapter 19, I believe). ——TD Mak 16:40, 7 Sept 2005 (EST)

Thank you. MathKnight 00:44, 24 September 2005 (UTC)