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Like you, I am quickly looking over some of the new afc submissions in the hopes of dealing with some of the obvious ones that can be immedately approved or declined quickly (the very thought of the backlog is dispiriting). What I've additionally started in the last day or two is nominating some of the worst of the advertising ones for G11, instead or or in addition to declining them, such as Draft:Mike's Cigars. I think it sends a clearer message. (obvious it takes being selective, because the accepted tolerance for fixable promotionalism is a little greater in afc than article space) DGG ( talk ) 04:17, 25 October 2014 (UTC)

Hello DGG; yes, that's been my preferred technique for some time now, weeding out the immediately terrible and the immediately good right in the first hours. The downside is it makes the 50-70% okay-ish articles wait longer, but at least it cuts down on bulk. I do wish, as I have repeatedly brought up for a couple years, that AFC could put the onus on submitters to move their drafts from "/sandbox" to a proper title, as that would save me a lot of hassle, but like a lot of suggestions to streamline AFC, it hasn't been done.

Honestly, I'm thinking more and more that AFC needs to be done not in full Wikicode, so we can force people to use section headings, have a reflist, and prevent them from removing previous declines, starting new copies on the same topic, etc. Some more digital hand-holding would help. To one degree I wish there were even more of a "hammer to the forehead" instruction on "Seriously dude, are you sure you've provided sources which are reputable and unconnected with the subject????" but I supposed the current Wizard makes that point pretty clear but is routinely ignored in 70%+ of cases. MatthewVanitas (talk) 05:53, 25 October 2014 (UTC)

By not being done in full wikicode, do you mean, by using a fill in the box type of template? I've often thought it a good idea for many types of articles. The template can provide the code structure. Given the success of Wikidata, I think the idea is worth further development (and I think there are in fact some people working on converting Wikidata to articles). Otherwise, I think there is an advantage in not fussing too much about structure. I see no point in rejecting articles because of incorrect referencing format or subject headings or the like. These things are much easier to fix than to teach. Certainly anyone contributing regularly should learn, but if someone is going to contribute only one article, as is usually the case, why bother? There are hundreds of excellent wikignomes prepared to deal with all this, but who would rather not get involved in substantial writing of new articles.

There's no point trying to communicate by formal messages. I see no indication that anyone reads them. I know my response in the RW to boilerplate is to ignore it, and so does everyone I know who is not professionally a lawyer. The way to do it to to give advice focussed sharply on the key major problem. There's no point in telling people they need better references when it's obvious the topic is hopeless and the only practical advice is to not work on it further.

Given the commitment of the AfC maintainers to their unbelievably cumbersome procedures, I increasing am certain of my previous opinion there is only one sensible solution: eliminate the afc process, and use draft space only for true unsubmitted drafts. We would do better dealing with everything in one stream, in mainspace, where people could see them. We can't keep us as well in a fragmented system as if we had one single flow of material, and one where the wikiprojects could see their material from the start. DGG ( talk ) 22:49, 25 October 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, people do tend to ignore boilerplate. I tend to use Custom a lot, often using the "big" template to put something like YOU HAVE TO SHOW US THAT UNINVOLVED PEOPLE WRITE ABOUT JOHN SMITH, NOT JUST THAT HE HAS A FACEBOOK PAGE. Things like that. It doesn't help that the boilerplate stuff is written in a really dry/technical fashion either. It might be vaguely better if instead of things written about boxes there was some pop-up or whatnot saying "DOES YOUR ARTICLE CLEARLY SAY WHERE YOU GOT THIS INFORMATION FROM?" and "YOU SAY THIS IS ABOUT A MOVIE; DOES YOUR DRAFT INCLUDE CITATION TO NEWSPAPERS, REVIEWS, ETC? NOTE THAT IMDB PAGE, DISCUSSION ON FORUMS, FACEBOOK, ETC. DOES NOT COUNT AND WILL NOT GET YOUR ARTICLE PASSED."

@ DGG. The single-stream idea is appealing, but that would mean just letting folks launch stuff and letting NPP deal with it, and the whole idea with AFC as far as I understand is to prevent folks from publishing unusuable stuff (though maybe even on a valid topic), getting it deleted, and stomping off angry. In all honesty, I almost quit doing Wiki when I was new to it since one of my early article was about a guitar manufacturing firm founded in 1902 (Del Vecchio (guitar maker)), got CSD'ed three times in a row for Notability, and I nearly quit WP in disgust until I realized I had to click the word WP:Notability to see what the guidelines were. I then realized I was getting declined for lack of Sourcing, fixed it, and things were fine. I'm a tech-savvy guy in my 30s with an MA, and even I got frustrated at what seemed like boilerplate templates telling me my article was unwanted when I thought it was a great topic. MatthewVanitas (talk) 23:04, 25 October 2014 (UTC)

Khalil-Ur-Rehman Qamar

Hey Matthew thanks for approving my article.I have added citations but still there are issues with the article.Can you help me identify those? Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 39.50.251.59 (talk) 17:45, 26 October 2014 (UTC)

Wiki-draft - King Alfred School, Plön

Dear Matthew,

Please forgive me for not contacting you earlier. I am aged 70+ Wiki-novice and operating at the limits of my IT skills and am finding it difficult feeling my way around the Wiki-site. Please bear with me

I have just discovered that you have very kindly reformatted my second draft. It is looking good.

I noted that British Families Education Service and Milocarian Trophy appeared in red. Presumably the internal Wiki-links were invalid so I have replaced them with external website links in the mainbody. Please move them to the correct place.

I have also added some more information to the Information box some of which does not appear Please readjust size of box.

Finally is it possible to increase the size of the photo slightly.

Once again thank you so much for your help and cooperation in developing my Wiki-draft thus far.

Yours aye,Wyvern4859 (talk) 18:11, 26 October 2014 (UTC)

Shooting Clerks submission

Hey Matthew,

We updated a bunch of stuff for our submission on shooting clerks. Hope this helps. Thanks.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Shooting_Clerks_%28Kevin_Smith_Biopic,_Film%29 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.38.129.125 (talk) 18:08, 27 October 2014 (UTC)

Copyright violation?

Is it a copyright violation to reference in a Wikipedia entry on the artist O.E.L. Graves a picture of his most treasured painting that the current owner of the painting has freely posted on a public Internet website? Examples of an artist's important works seem quite appropriate and relevant to an encyclopedia entry concerning the artist when they are publicly displayed and publicly available.

--Chicodoodoo (talk) 03:24, 27 October 2014 (UTC)

Hello Chicodoodoo; I don't see a copyright notice on your Talk page so not entirely sure what the issue is; I'm also not a copyright expert, but my gut-guess would be that the copyright of a work of art doesn't not explicitly transfer with possession of the physical piece of art. And even if it does, simply because the owner has made it publicly available does not mean we can assume it to be Public Domain. For a piece of art to be displayed on Wikipedia, it has to be a) explicitly out of copyright per legal definition b) used in an article whose exact subject is the work of art itself under WP:Fair use, or c) the absolute uncontested copyright-holder has to send a WP:OTRS form to Wikimedia. Note c) doesn't mean "you copy-paste here an email from the owner saying it's okay to share it on Wikipedia", but rather it's an actual documented legal form. These rules aren't because we're jerks, it's because we're zealously protecting the legal rights of content creators. Hope this helps! MatthewVanitas (talk) 03:36, 28 October 2014 (UTC)

Please help

Ok, so the editors don't feel that I am relevant enough to have an article, but I can't even have my own user page? What is happening? What am I doing wrong? I am new to Wikipedia, and find it extremely confusing, but I am doing my best to figure it out and follow the guidelines. Also, so, maybe no one cares about who I am, but I would like to at least have an article for my newly developed Three Player Chess game, called "Ch3Xs". It is already a part of the Three Player Chess article, and I feel it is at least notable enough to have an article explaining the rules and it's origin to anyone who might be interested. There are all sorts of other articles on Chess variants. Please help. Thank you Rue36 (talk) 17:13, 27 October 2014 (UTC)

Hello Rue36, the problem is that you're very clearly using Wikipedia for self-promotion. We want people to be here to help build an encyclopedia, not to be trying to use this as an alternate-Facebook. I took a draft at your draft autobiography, and it shows no indication that you meet (or have even read) our core policy WP:Notability. Adding links to your YouTube clips does nothing at all to build your argument, for example.

So far as "maybe no one cares about who I am", the same can be said for your ChEXs variant. If nobody other than you has taken the trouble to write about it (trying to add it yourself into Three player chess doesn't count, and has been removed), then what case to we have to including it on Wikipedia?

I'm not at all trying to talk smack about your work as an artist; you've had works published, sold games, etc. I'm not questioning those successes, nor the validity of your art in general. What I (and others) are doing is pointing out that you don't appear to meet WP:Notability, in that other authorities don't appear to be substantively discussing your work. That's not measure of your quality, just that we don't have anything to base an article on, per our rules, unless uninvolved people write about you. Maybe your game is the best chess variant ever, maybe your art will be world-famous in 10 years, but that's immaterial to Wikipedia until such point as we have outside coverage to cite.

Don't focus on trying to get a WP:Tertiary source like an encyclopedia to cover your work before WP:Secondary sources (journalism, academia) have covered it; that's backwards of how information works. If you want fame, get academics or journalists to cover your work. Don't try to get clever hand-jamming it into an encyclopedia. Also, to be totally frank, if Person X is writing their own article, that's a pretty good indication they're not ready for an article. Noam Chomsky doesn't have to get on Wikipedia and write his own article, because his work is compelling enough and widely known enough that uninvolved people are eager to write about him.

If you try to use Wikipedia for self-promotion, you're bound to be disappointed. Stick to working on your art and design, and promoting them in their proper scenes. If your work is good enough, it'll gain fame, and eventually someone you've never met will be eager to cover your work. Writing your own article is basically either cynical advertising, or a lack of faith in your ability to appeal to others. Stick to your art, and have faith in its effects. MatthewVanitas (talk) 04:02, 28 October 2014 (UTC)

Regarding GNRC's page

Hi,

As per your guidelines I have added a few more references to the content. The hospital is indeed 27 years old but off late it has come up with a new healthcare model and has set up new branches in the north eastern region of India hence the coverage is pretty recent. I request you to kindly approve the content as soon as it is possible. — Preceding unsigned comment added by PrateekLucifer (talk • contribs) 05:16, 28 October 2014 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Basanta Kishore Sahoo

The article Basanta Kishore Sahoo has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

Unable to find anything about him except on social links and sites that contain Wikipedia info

While all constructive contributions to Wikipedia are appreciated, content or articles may be deleted for any of several reasons.

You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the {{proposed deletion/dated}} notice, but please explain why in your edit summary or on the article's talk page.

Please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Removing {{proposed deletion/dated}} will stop the proposed deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. In particular, the speedy deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, and articles for deletion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion. Bgwhite (talk) 05:33, 28 October 2014 (UTC)

Review article Krohn Traaseth - Improvements performed

Thanks for feedback for the Article of Anita Krohn Traaset

I have performed fixes, priorities and improvements according to Wiki-standard

I hope this is at level to get the article published without having to wait too long time.

Best regards, XCathrine — Preceding unsigned comment added by Xathrine (talk • contribs) 12:41, 28 October 2014 (UTC)

Xathrine (talk) 12:43, 28 October 2014 (UTC) I have corrected the article of Krohn Traaseth according to Wiki-standard.

18:54:25, 27 October 2014 review of submission by Mifflintown

• Mifflintown (talk · contribs)
  • Draft:The Property: Malibu’s Other Colony (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Mifflintown (talk) 18:54, 27 October 2014 (UTC)

You state

"Comment: Why can this content not just be part of our existing article Coffee House Positano? It seems to be about the exact same topic, or aspect of the topic." My page on The Property is definitely NOT on the same topic. Hard to understand why you said that. Cofffee House Positano was a business open for 6 years - '57 - '62 where customers purchased food and drink and then could play chess, listen to music, watch a play and then go home. They could not go there twice and then they had to become a member. The Property on the other hand lasted 31 years and had no customers only residents and their friends. People had to be accepted to live there and some did so for 2 decades. The Property was never open to the public. The only thing the coffee house and the Property have in common is that the Property started after the coffee house closed and was located at the same place as the coffee house. Please explain why you think the two pages are about the same topic? I will not confuse people by combining the two pages.

Mifflintown, Reply at Draft:The Property: Malibu’s Other Colony. MatthewVanitas (talk) 14:27, 28 October 2014 (UTC)

I Would like to put this Erno Polgar´s photo

--Györgyné Pruzsinszki (talk) 08:50, 27 October 2014 (UTC) Dear my Friend! I Would like to put this Erno Polgar´s photo. Many thanks for advance. Regards, Györgyné Pruzsinszki P.S. Please to help me to put this photo! This photo belongs to Erno Polgar Györgyné Pruzsinszki (talk) 08:50, 27 October 2014 (UTC)

Hello Györgyné Pruzsinszki, we add photos after an article publishes, not before. So I'm deferring to a next editor's opinion. After the article publishes, then you can read WP:Images for how to upload; if you're unsure, please contact WP:Teahouse to get advice from volunteer mentors. But photos come after the draft publishes. MatthewVanitas (talk) 14:32, 28 October 2014 (UTC)

New page for Father Joseph Vaudan and Agriculture Institute in Valle d'Aosta, Italy

Thank you so much for your patience and help. One more quick question: The top line heading of the article has a misspelling. It says "Joesph" instead of "Joseph". I can't figure out how to change it:-( ````slshochats```` — Preceding unsigned comment added by Slshochat (talk • contribs) 18:29, 28 October 2014 (UTC)

Slshochat, see WP:Move for how to move pages to the correct title. I'd do it for you, but I figured it'd be good practice. ;) Whatever you do don't just copy-paste your current text into a page of a different name, just use the Move tool. Or if you don't yet qualify for the Move tool, let me know and I'll fix it. MatthewVanitas (talk) 18:50, 28 October 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Civility Barnstar
	Thanks for your loyalty Cb808 (talk) 02:08, 29 October 2014 (UTC)

Hey wasup. I am wondering did you know what a kapu system is? I know a lot but wondering if you know anything?

GNRC Hospitals Limited

Hi Matthew,

This is regarding GNRC's Wikipedia article. Just wanted to bring to your notice that GNRC is located in remote area of Guwahati. Over the last 2 decades the region hasn't had much of an access to internet. As far as citing old articles is concerned, they are all in regional languages like Assamese, Bengali etc which would be cumbersome for you to translate.

Thanks and regards

Prateek — Preceding unsigned comment added by PrateekLucifer (talk • contribs) 06:32, 29 October 2014 (UTC)

Draft :Ishtiyaque Alam Shahbazi

Hi Matthew,

I have written an article about sufi scholar Ishtiyaque alam shahbazi. Its been long time, it has not been reviewed. Would you please review? Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mdnaseemk (talk • contribs) 07:23, 29 October 2014 (UTC)

20:18:57, 29 October 2014 review of submission by Brownray8309

• Brownray8309 (talk · contribs)
  • Draft:BlackGryph0n (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

TITLE: Reconsider the WP:Notability criterion for BlackGryph0n.

Matthew, thank you very much for reviewing my page and for your suggestions.

I would like to change the criterion under which BlackGryph0n should be listed. He's NOT primarily known as a musician. His main claim to fame is his notoriety in the "Brony" community. He has a huge following, as I tried to prove by the number of subscribers and viewers on his Youtube channel. He also has a very large following on Twitter and DeviantArt.

My question, then, is: What criterion, if any, would WP consider him worthy of a page? And the followup would be: What additional sources, if any, do I need to prove this notability?

Thanks again! Ray Brownray8309 (talk) 20:18, 29 October 2014 (UTC)

Hello Brownray8309, did you read my extensive comments at the top of the draft? Your commennts about him being a brony vs musician are noted, but overall WP:Notability is still the guideline. Note Wikipedia is a WP:Tertiary source, so we can't accept WP:Primary sources like pageviews, etc, that's skipping a step in the info chain. You absolutely must show that his career and impact are discussed in WP:Secondary sources like news media, academia, etc. It doesn't matter if he has 10,000,000 YouTube views, that's still Primary data. That's not saying that he isn't great or famous or whatever, we're just noting how Primary-Secondary-Tertiary works. If no serious secondary source covers him, that means either: a) the larger world doesn't find him noteworthy OR b) they totally would, but media/academia is missing out, and whoever ends up writing about him for a serious news or academic journal article will score a great success. But in either case, it's not a Wikipedia topic until he meets WP:Notability.

My question, then, is: What criterion, if any, would WP consider him worthy of a page? And the followup would be: What additional sources, if any, do I need to prove this notability?. At the risk of beating a dead horse, WP:Notability should answer 95% of your questions, and WP:Reliable sources cover a few more percent. If you genuinely have at least skimmed both of those and are still unsure what you need to do, or whether this brony merits an article (at this point) or no, feel free to ask my follow-ups, but definitely make sure you read recommended advice before asking further, or volunteer reviewers get cranky at repeating themselves. MatthewVanitas (talk) 21:52, 29 October 2014 (UTC)

AFCs accepted

Mathew Saheb, I thank you for accepting Anuvyavasaya and Bhatta Narayana but Bhatta Narayana does not appear in the list of articles created by me. Have I erred somewhere? RegardsAditya soni (talk) 08:13, 29 October 2014 (UTC)

Hello Aditya soni Saheb; which "list" are you referring to? The Bhatta articles should appear on your "My Contributions" list, linked at the very top of your Wikipedia screen, and the History tab of each page should show your involvement. MatthewVanitas (talk) 14:37, 29 October 2014 (UTC)

Mathew saheb, what I meant was the list of Articles Created detailed on page https://tools.wmflabs.org/xtools/pages/index.php?user=Aditya+soni&lang=en&wiki=wikipedia&namespace=0&redirects=noredirects accessible through my User Contributions page, on which page 167 pages including 8 deleted created by me are listed but not Bhatta Narayana.Aditya soni (talk) 01:59, 30 October 2014 (UTC)

Response about Sudbury school project

Matthew, You wrote to JasmineGarcia9000: "Is some Sudbury school doing Wikipedia articles as a class project? I'm seeing a lot of Sudbury drafts; has a school project recently been assigned in that town? If it has, can you have your teacher write me on my Talk page? There are some common mistakes a number of the articles are all making, and it'd be easier just to let the teacher know to tell the class rather than try to explain it to each student individually. MatthewVanitas (talk) 16:56, 22 October 2014 (UTC)"

The answer is yes. I'm teaching an Exploring Web Communities and Social Networking class.

What are some of the common mistakes you are seeing? I would be happy to pass them along to my students.

Thank you. Jim

LSJim (talk) 03:41, 30 October 2014 (UTC)

Ewan McLennan

• Naganata (talk · contribs)
  • Draft:Ewan McLennan (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Hi Matthew,

Thanks for your quick review of the initial draft. I guess copying and pasting from Ewan's web site probably wasn't the most objective way of creating a page for him. I've taken your comments on board and stuck to verifiable facts and opinions of reliable sources, providing references back to the original source. Ewan and I will possibly fill in more detail once the page is established, but we will stick to the principles of your rejection comments.

Thanks for your help,

Dave (aka Naganata... don't ask)

Naganata (talk) 12:41, 30 October 2014 (UTC)

My Article Submission

Hi Matthew! At the end of August you declined my submissions because I didn't have enough sources. I was wondering if maybe you could talk a look again? I've added sources and I would love if you could give me any more suggestions.

Thanks, Lexie — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lexiekadlec2014 (talk • contribs) 17:06, 30 October 2014 (UTC)

Thanks MatthewVanitas For Being A Wonderful Wikipedia Reviewer

Hi MatthewVanitas. You must already know the significance of Wikipedia Reviewers like you for maintaining Wikipedia as a world class Encyclopedia. I am not saying anything new but thanks a lot for sparing your valuable time, energy and expertise for reviewing, approving and disapproving article submitted for review. I have seen your hard work many times while going through new articles and your committed passion for Wikipedia is truly great.

By the way, thanks for approving the article titled E-Courts In India.

All the best with your great work and selfless commitment.

59.177.199.79 (talk) 05:26, 31 October 2014 (UTC)

Nomination of William Lynch Lamar for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article William Lynch Lamar is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/William Lynch Lamar until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. The Banner talk 14:10, 1 November 2014 (UTC)

21:15:16, 2 November 2014 review of submission by Mdfrommars

• Mdfrommars (talk · contribs)
  • Draft:Organic orange juice (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Hi Matthew.

Thanks for taking the time to review the submission. I’m sure you see a lot of them, and I appreciate you taking time to respond.

I completely agree that topics can be well covered within their umbrella subject. However, I’d like to point out discontinuity on that rule. Beverages like organic milk and organic coffee both have their own Wikipedia article. There's even a separate Wikipedia article on "Java coffee," which in itself is not as broad of a topic as "organic orange juice."

Additionally, the distinction between organic and non-organic orange juice is significant information to have on Wikipedia. The two most significant are:

A.) that orange juice is a commonly consumed beverage in a market where health and environmental concerns are becoming an increasingly important factor in purchase behavior B.) there are no unbiased resources indexed on the first two pages of search engines that educate the public on "organic orange juice" that aren’t from brands

In the updated version of the "Organic orange juice" article, the “Organic Farming” page is linked as you suggested, and I’ve added a link to the United States: National Organic Program (NOP) page. The content includes the legal definition and a comparison to conventional OJ and contains sub-headers on chemical composition, chemical and pesticide residue and health and safety, as well as information on taste, nutritional content, economic factors and environmental effects.

If there is any additional content you’d like seen added to the article, I would appreciate adding them to any edits in the future. Thanks!” Mdfrommars (talk) 21:15, 2 November 2014 (UTC)

Mdfrommars (talk) 21:15, 2 November 2014 (UTC)

Please provide guidelines to write and save an article

Hi Matthew, Thanks for your mail. I would like to know the proper process of writing and publishing an article as I am first time user of Wikipedia. I had created Professional School of Indian Banking as user name and saved an article about a company. But the article got rejected stating that the username, "Professional School of Indian Banking", may not comply with your username policy. And I am not allowed to use a username that represents the name of a company, group, organization, product, or website.

please find the link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Professional_School_of_Indian_Banking#Your_username

Kindly help as i have been working on the same for quite a long time. And looking to publish it on internet with your support as many of the internet users across India and abroad will be benefited from this article.

Thanks & Regards Priyanka — Preceding unsigned comment added by Priyanka.gurgaon (talk • contribs) 11:24, 3 November 2014 (UTC)

Hello Priyanka.gurgaon, regarding your draft article:

• Even though you started the first draft under a different name, that is not a problem, continue to work on the original draft at Draft:Professional School of Indian Banking, do not create new pages on the same topic.
• The problem is you very clearly appear to be advertising the school rather than informing about it. You cannot go around talking about how great the school, musing about how the school can help people so much, etc. If there is to be an article about the school it must be based on things other people have said about the school. We only care what outsiders have to say about the school, not what people connected to it think about how great it is. If other people aren't bothering to extensively write about the school, then we don't need a Wikipedia article about it.
• As a first step, I'd encourage you to gather links to as many news articles, books, etc that discuss this school (in any language) that you can find, and add those links to the bottom of the draft.
• The guideline the article must meet is at Wikipedia:Notability (companies and corporations). I urge you to read that, as the article cannot publish if it does not meet that guideline. MatthewVanitas (talk) 15:06, 3 November 2014 (UTC)

Help Please

Dear sir, I am an occasional editor from Pakistan who tries to make useful edits to various articles about Pakistan and Pakistani people, tribes etc. I would please request your help and advice, what is to be done in this case-- there was an article 'Dhund Abbasi' about a hill tribe here. This was deleted and then a redirect of Dhund Abbasi was made to Hindkowans, which makes sense. However, from what I see now, someone has created a new page called Dhund abbasis that seems to be essentially only reduplicating the old, deleted page. Whats to be done in such an instance please? Can such duplication exist? Or should the new page be merged with another? Your help and advice would be invaluable, many thanks. 39.54.230.179 (talk) 11:45, 4 November 2014 (UTC)Prof (retd) Hilda Khan, Pakistan

Hello Hilda Khan, if an article is inarguably on the exact same topic as another, you can WP:BEBOLD and just merge the content into Hindokwan yourself, and then blank Dhund abbasis and create a WP:Redirect from that title. Just ensure when you copy content over from one to the other, that in the WP:Edit summary box (just below your editing window) you clearly indicate from where and to where you are moving the data, so that we are able to record everyone's contributions. Please let me know if you need help figuring out this move. MatthewVanitas (talk) 14:58, 4 November 2014 (UTC)

Jurgens answer

Good day Matthew – I am not sure whether there has been any progress on my submitted article. I received a notification that you had left me a message, but I read every one on the page it linked to and there was nothing relating to me (that I could find). Please could you give me a status on Jurgens Ci caravans. Thanks so much. Kalamazoo54Kalamazoo 54 (talk) 16:34, 3 November 2014 (UTC)

Hello Kalamazoo 54, since my Talk page is very active, it auto-archives every few weeks. My reply to you may be found at User_talk:MatthewVanitas/Archive_32#09:14:57.2C_15_September_2014_review_of_submission_by_Kalamazoo_54. Also, when starting a new question on a Talk page, make sure you enter a new section heading for your new question so it doesn't mix into the question above yours (I fixed that for you here). MatthewVanitas (talk) 15:14, 4 November 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Original Barnstar
	i am shweta chandrakant pawar i am kate winslate Shweta Chandrakant Pawar (talk) 15:24, 4 November 2014 (UTC)

Article you created name change?

Would you like to change the name of the article Live like Ali, die like Hussein, which you created? I think renaming it to Famous Shia slogans is more appropriate, since i have added 2 more very famous slogans and your initial single slogan made for a very short article. What do you think?58.106.226.105 (talk) 09:15, 5 November 2014 (UTC)

Hello 58.106.226.105, while I'm not totally against moving it to a larger title/article, "Famous Shia slogans" does not resemble any current standard Wikipedia title. We try to format/form titles to be similar across topics, like Category:Spanish cuisine and Category:Italian cuisine, rather than calling the latter "Italian food". What I suggest is that you find a similar article of religious slogans (if possible) and we can move this to a parallel title. Usually Wikipedia does not use the word "famous" in titles because non-famous things don't go in encyclopedias anyway. Shia slogans might work, but I'd encourage you to look around to get the best idea. Do not move the article by copy-pasting to a new space, but rather use the Move function. If you don't have access to the move function, just come post here again when you have a title you want to move it to. MatthewVanitas (talk) 13:17, 5 November 2014 (UTC)

Earle M. Pilgrim

Hi Matthew, I have worked on cleaning up my article Earle M. Pilgrim. Can you let me know if the quality has enhanced? Thank you for everything! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Figurativeexpressionism (talk • contribs) 20:18, 5 November 2014 (UTC)

Hello Figurativeexpressionism, overall looks better, so I've removed the tags except "primary soureces". Broadly, "archives" aren't directly admissible since editors here are not archivists/historians, so technically to be usable archive items must be noted by a WP:Secondary source like news article or academic journal. For example, if you personally dig out Pilgrim's old military records and personally note they show he was disciplined for insubordination, that isn't admissible. What is admissible is if a journalist from the Chicago Times or a professor writing for American Art Review dig up that record, examine it, confirm it, and document it in their research. Make sense? You don't necessarily need to fix this now, we can leave things as they are for now, just we must make our readers aware that unfiltered primary sources have been used, and optimally should eventually be replaced with verified published works.

Separately, note that since Pilgrim is deceased, you may upload one photo of him (regardless of copyright) under WP:Fair use. To do so, please click the "Upload file/image" option under "Tools" in the menu on the left side of your screen (below the globe). You must clearly click the right buttons to indicate it's an image of a deceased person, when he died, where you found the image, etc. This does not make it Public Domain, but just allows Wikipedia to display said image only on Pilgrim's article. Only one image, not high-res, of Pilgrim himself, to be posted only on his own bio, and that's the exception in copyright we're allowed to leverage. Please give it a shot, and let me know if you have any problems getting it added to the article. MatthewVanitas (talk) 20:28, 5 November 2014 (UTC)

Great, I will be sure to let you know if I have problems with the upload of the photo. Also, is there anyway to get the wiki article to be the top hit on a google search? I don't know exactly how to do this. I am assuming it is because there are certain problems with the page (i.e. the use of primary source). Is there a way to let this be known but not have it affect the viewership of the page?

Nino La Civita

Hello Matthew, On November 5th, 2014, an article was published on The Times of India on the frescos realized by Nino La Civita in Dehradun. Could you please let me know if the draft on Nino La Civita, which was submitted to Wikipedia, but rejected by you on October 26th because of notability issues, can be published on Wikipedia? Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Leveleaf (talk • contribs) 08:18, 6 November 2014 (UTC)

FARAZAD INVESTMENT

Hi My name is Aleena the article I submitted for Farazad Investment has been delined I recieved a message saying you would be able to help me to edit and re-submit. Please adivise.

Kind Regards,

Aleena Khan — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.54.206.255 (talk) 13:57, 6 November 2014 (UTC)

FARAZAD INVESTMENT

Dear Mathew

My name is Aleena I recently submitted an article on Farazad Investment which as declined I recieved a message you could help me with it. Please advise on the next steps to take and if you can help me re-edit for submission.

Kind Regards

Aleena Khan — Preceding unsigned comment added by Farazad investment (talk • contribs) 14:01, 6 November 2014 (UTC)

About Pages concerning Minecraft

Is this considered not worthy of the encyclopedia?

I can think of about 2,000,000 people who think otherwise!

Please respond in the next 5 min. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Link576 (talk • contribs) 20:40, 15 October 2014 (UTC)

Ummmmm, how about I reply when I feel like it and I have the time. That work for you?

In any case, you're disagreeing with me because you haven't read up on Wikipedia rules. We don't cover things based on statistical popularity, we cover them based on coverage. I strongly advise you read our basic summary of the absolutely fundamental Notability guideline. Minecraft itself obviously meets Notability, but that doesn't mean every page of someone's opinions and stories about it do. Please read that page, and it'll make all this clearer. MatthewVanitas (talk) 04:49, 16 October 2014 (UTC)

I am very sincere when i say this matthew:

Im sorry for demanding your response. I realize you have more important things to do.

you are one of the lucky few that actually get to hear me say that

Anyways i totally agree on notabillity and minecraft wiki is denying my access right now

I would hope you change your mind about Entity_303.

thank you. Link576 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Link576 (talk • contribs) 17:49, 16 October 2014 (UTC)

Matthew, Sir whatever you want to be called. for all i care your "your highness" just give my article about entity 303 2 months please or i will have to create it behind your back (Not a threat) and if more than 5 people veiw it then accept it. i promise that the rating will go up and you will have an increase of about 2,000 people.Link576 (talk) 17:25, 20 October 2014 (UTC)Link576

Look buddy, your draft does not meet our core requirement of WP:Notability. I don't know how I can say that any clearer. I don't care if it gets 10,000 hits per day, it's not appropriate material for Wikipedia. Unless serious gamer media, news articles, etc start eagerly writing about "Entity 302", then Wikipedia does not care about it because it's not yet a Notable issue. If you create it in articlespace, I can guarantee you it will be deleted by WP:New page patrol. If you recreate it, they'll delete it again. If you keep it up, they can block any accounts and IPs associated with the article, and set filters to automatically prevent any new articles on the topic. So please be mature and don't offer clever little "threats" that you're going to force through this article.

There are a zillion websites for Minecraft fans; if 302 is so important, why not write about it there instead? MatthewVanitas (talk) 15:46, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Link576 (talk • contribs) 14:53, 3 November 2014 (UTC)

Would you like to read the last section on Wikipedia, What Wikipedia is? Im SURE THAT will clear things up for you and why this whole article is perfectly legal! Thank you sir and i will not have anymore of THIS! GOOD DAY! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Link576 (talk • contribs) 18:51, 6 November 2014 (UTC)

I Demand to talk to a supervisor without your smart mouth.

Hello Link576, the place to file a complaint about another editor is: Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents. That said, I can totally guarantee you they will tell you that I am correct. I am quite familiar with WP:What Wikipedia is. Again, you have given no indication that you have read the policy WP:Notability. In all seriousness, feel free to take a look, and if you read it and are convinced that Entity 302 meets that guideline, go ahead and quote me a few of the criteria that Entity 302 meets, and I'll be happy to address those replies. I have reviewed probably literally over 10,000 articles; I'm not always right every time, but I've got a pretty good track record. MatthewVanitas (talk) 23:42, 6 November 2014 (UTC)

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R. C. Horsch article

Concerning your comments as posted with article:

1. The "criminal" and "Psychological" and "Birth" sections all rely on official government records, all of which can be accessed on-line. Are they a problem? Such information is paraphrased in other sources but, as such, carries not so much official "weight" which I assume is necessary in BLP citations. Please advise.

2. Not all information is on-line, especially pre-1995 or so. When possible, I have quoted original (paper) sources along with on-line versions of same that happen sometimes to be in the author's blogs. Such authors (Campbell. Coleman, Maes, etc.) are well known and respected. Again, please advise.

3. In general, please point out specific problems for me to address.

Thank you!

SESS. E. Stokowski (talk) 16:38, 7 November 2014 (UTC)

Hello [User:S. E. Stokowski|S. E. Stokowski]]! Technically WP:Primary sources are avoided since they skip the Secondary step (in which experts collect and analyze documents). I wouldn't say remove them, but if you have collaborating evidence I'd add those as a second footnote to the primary.

Sources aren't required to be online, but they are required to be "publicly accessible". So "I have a handwritten letter from Horsch's ex-girlfriend" is not admissible, but "Local Artist Shocks Man, Acme Times, 3 August 1975" is fine since someone could theoretically dig up said paper and issue on microfiche or whatnot, and it exists in the public record.

The main thing I'd remove is just forum discussions, etc. since we can't accept things anonymous people post on Usenet, interesting though it may be. Overall article looking really good. Note that if you want a photo of Horsch, you have to either wait until he dies and add a photo under WP:Fair use, or contact someone who holds the copyright of a photo of him (some journalist, or even the man himself). If the latter, you can't just upload it and say "owner says it's fine", the owner has to fill out an actual legal WP:OTRS ticket for Wikimedia officially declaring it released under Creative Commons (and no "released only for use on Wikipedia" is not an option).

I'm kinda bogged down in other articles and I think you've got the basics down really well, so I'll refer you on to WP:WikiProject Photography if you have any questions on how best to cover an artist, or WP:Teahouse if you have general questions on improving an article. Not to foist you off, just gotta keep chugging here, and I think you're in a good place so far. Thanks again for your work, and hope you'll stick around. MatthewVanitas (talk) 22:19, 7 November 2014 (UTC)

05:36:30, 8 November 2014 review of submission by B4uspb

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Dear Sir,

I have removed the text that you have suggested. The information I have provided in this page is vary much useful to the people who is actively looking for pharmaceutical company information. As such there is no comprehensive website that provides full details of pharmaceutical companies in Chennai. This information may be useful to thousands of people in India. I hope I have justified about my posting. Kindly help guide me for publishing this article. I am happy to answer if you have any queries.

B4uspb (talk) 05:36, 8 November 2014 (UTC)

B4uspb, it may well be very useful, but that does not make it encyclopedic. Did you read WP:NOTDIRECTORY that I linked to you? A list of the names of all the pharm companies in India might be great to have on another website, but it's not what we do here on Wikipedia. MatthewVanitas (talk) 15:06, 8 November 2014 (UTC)

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Drifting Sun

Hi Matthew, can I talk to you regarding the inclusion of Drifting Sun's page on wikipedia? — Preceding unsigned comment added by DriftingSunWeb (talk • contribs) 18:35, 8 November 2014 (UTC)

Hello DriftingSunWeb! Sure, shoot. However first please read Wikipedia:Notability (music). I'm happy to advise, I just really need you to have a rough idea of what the guidelines for band articles are first so I don't have to rehash the basics, but happy to consult so long as you can affirm that you've read that policy first so we can get to the nitty-gritty. MatthewVanitas (talk) 20:12, 8 November 2014 (UTC)

Hi Matthew,

Firstly, I have to apologize if I am replying to your last message here, I couldn't find a direct link to post my reply so I decided to start a new thread, sorry!

I have read the guidelines for acceptance for articles about musicians and bands, and understand your point regarding providing proof that my works are notable and genuine. I am a little confused as to what I am required to show to prove the notability of my works, however. The first Drifting Sun album was released on the Brennus label, which is an offshoot (the more hard rock oriented) of Musea, one of the largest progressive rock labels in Europe. Both the first and second records I have released were the subject of many reviews across the world, both in paper magazine chronicles and online articles. John Lingwood (from Manfred Mann's Earth Band, among others) was the drummer on our debut record, and that album also featured performance from Karl Groom of Shadowland on one track; the album was produced by Karl Groom and Clive Nolan from Pendragon. On the new album, due to be released in a few months' time, Dan Storey is fully credited for performing the guitars and bass on the entire record; he has just recently returned from an American tour with Gabrielle Aplin and is himself associated with other British acts such as Tinie Tempah. When I search the net for traces of my works, I find that my records are mentioned in many places on the web, from being on Spotify's playlist, to being listed on discogs.com, and are even still available for purchase on places such as Amazon.

Please let me know what other links I would need to provide you with, in order to get Drifting Sun included in wikipedia, and I will do my homework and add them to the draft of my article!

I'm looking forward to hearing from you again soon.

Best regards

Pat — Preceding unsigned comment added by DriftingSunWeb (talk • contribs) 21:41, 8 November 2014 (UTC)

Hello DriftingSunWeb. Thanks for assuring me you've read the Notability policy. The easiest way to put this is "Wikipedia only cares about facts about the band that uninvolved experts have noted. So, if Smith won a Battle of the Bands in 2002 that propelled him to fame, and nobody mentions that in any article about him, we don't care. If, however, Pitchfork in an article about the history of prog-rock, notes that fact, then you can note it and cite it to Pitchfork (with article title and date, link if available).

A caution: writing neutrally about yourself is very hard, please see WP:Autobiography for common issues to watch out for. So what you need to do is empty your mind of what you know about your band, assemble all these reviews and articles you mention, and derive your facts from those. By the way, do not bother citing Discogs, Amazon, etc. Just being listed there says nothing about how significant the band is. Likewise, simply namedropping "collaborated with XYZ" doesn't help, unless other writers/journalists found it worth mentioning, in which case mention it and cite it to the outside expert who found that collab worth discussing. All good, clearer now? Hope this helps clarify. MatthewVanitas (talk) 00:29, 9 November 2014 (UTC)

DriftingSunWeb (talk) 08:28, 9 November 2014 (UTC)== Drifting Sun ==

Hi Matthew

I've added some links to reviews etc for my band, hope this is ok now, let me know!

Pat — Preceding unsigned comment added by DriftingSunWeb (talk • contribs) 08:23, 9 November 2014 (UTC)

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Bobby John

Hi Matthew, Greetings ! Wanted some help on uploading few images to wiki pages. Could you please guide me as it would involve copy right issues.

Regards, Bobby John — Preceding unsigned comment added by Almithra (talk • contribs) 17:29, 7 November 2014 (UTC)

Hello Bobby John, I'm mostly working on reviewing Drafts right now, can you take your question to the volunteer mentors at WP:Teahouse? They're very helpful, just make sure you give very clear context when you post your question: let them know which article you want to add images to, what images you want to add, and that the images are under copyright. MatthewVanitas (talk) 15:23, 9 November 2014 (UTC)

Request on 16:29:45, 26 October 2014 for assistance on AfC submission by Wileywanda

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I would like to understand more about the reason for the rejection on my article submission. Can you please help me with feedback? Wileywanda Wileywanda (talk) 16:29, 26 October 2014 (UTC)

Wileywanda, did you read my comments in the large pink box at the top of User:Wileywanda/sandbox? Please let me know if you've read them, and if so which parts you would like clarified; "to understand more" is pretty broad, so please narrow it down. MatthewVanitas (talk) 16:37, 26 October 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for the re-direct Matthew. I did not see the notes as I'm still relatively new here. I appreciate the feedback and will try to amend the information. Thanks again. Wileywanda (talk) 15:50, 9 November 2014 (UTC)WileywandaWileywanda (talk) 15:50, 9 November 2014 (UTC)

what is the problem ???

Hi

haleemkhankuchipudi is not able to submit in wikipedia can you please let me know what exact is the problem..! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 49.204.7.82 (talk) 19:15, 9 November 2014 (UTC)

49.204.7.82, I have no idea what you're talking about. You need to provide me a link to whatever you're talking about. I cannot read your mind. MatthewVanitas (talk) 19:32, 9 November 2014 (UTC)