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Sourcing

Hi there. Please don't change information without changing the associated citations, as you did here - those citations support what was there previously, and they don't support what you changed it to. If there's disagreement between sources that warrants an addition instead. More broadly, generally speaking Find-a-Grave is not considered a reliable source, per WP:RSP. Nikkimaria (talk) 20:06, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for your input, Nikkimaria. I thought I was doing the right thing here because I didn't remove the original reference but instead added the external link to Find-a-Grave. I agree and understand how that site is not considered reliable, except in this case there's actually a photo of the gravestone which clearly shows the year of birth as 1902, and everything else matched. So perhaps this is a case where Find-a-Grave is actually more accurate than the original reference? :) MauriceYMichaud (talk) 20:16, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

It's possible it is accurate, it's possible it's not. But if someone comes along later and they see a date with a citation next to it, they should be able to assume that that citation supports that date. External links aren't meant to be citations, and definitely aren't meant to be understood as citations for specific claims. Nikkimaria (talk) 20:20, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

Ah ha! So this tells me I really need to learn how to do citations properly! It's tempting to just plug in the raw URL and hope that someone more wiki knowledge like you would come along and fix it, but I'm sure that must drive you insane, not to mention that if I want to do this, I should do it right or not bother doing it at all. :)

And what if two citations contradict each other slightly? In this case, the old citation is no longer accessible, or at least it's not to me.

By the way, I really *do* appreciate that you're taking the time to engage in this discussion. MauriceYMichaud (talk) 20:42, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

If the citations contradict each other, you have two options. You can look around for more citations and see if there seems to be a general consensus - if ten sources say A and only one says B, we probably want to say A. Alternatively if there's really no agreement you can present a range of sources: "Source 1 and 2 say A, but Source 3 and 4 say B". A gravestone can be one of those sources, but we can't assume in the case of contradiction that it's automatically the authoritative source. Nikkimaria (talk) 21:27, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

Agreed! Even if it's engraved in stone, although it's definitely tempting to go with that... It reminds me of a story a friend of mine who's originally from Alberta told me. She's second-generation Ukranian-Canadian, and while visiting a graveyard, one inscription read, "Rest in Piece." I'm certain that was not the intended sentiment.

Bottom line, though, I'll be a little slower at the trigger going forward. What satisfies my needs for the project I am working on may not meet the standard that we should wish to have for Wikipedia. But I assure you that you have given me some very useful tips and insights.

Best wishes from a chilly and damp Montreal! MauriceYMichaud (talk) 21:53, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

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