User talk:Mdann52/Archive 7

AFC

I do not need to give a rating on the quality scale. I do not know all of the quality ratings for each type of article. What would you rather have - articles that are accepted or a bigger backlog? SL93 (talk) 17:12, 26 June 2013 (UTC) @SL93: per Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Reviewing instructions#Step 5, all submissions should be rated on the quality scale. Can you at least try; but I can understand why you may not want to. Mdann52 (talk) 18:39, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

Rater

Hello. Your edits using my tool make quite of a mess in the markup: [1], [2], [3]. I cannot reproduce the bug myself, but I vaguely remember fixing something similar some time ago, so I think it is probable that you are using a cached old version. Please WP:BYPASS your cache and review your edits in the talk namespace. Thank you. Keφr 17:28, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

I have fixed some of them; I don't see why it would be a caches version, as I only installed it yesterday, but I'll keep an eye on it. Thanks, Mdann52 (talk) 18:35, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

That would be strange indeed. Which browser do you use? Keφr 19:43, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

I was using IE at the time; It may just be one of these weird bugs I get from my Schools weird Internet settings - I have has problems with tools like reflinks too. Mdann52 (talk) 20:05, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

Editing TH answers

Hi just a friendly head's up. Many editors will not appreciate you editing an answer they have given at the Teahouse unless there is an obvious error which disadvantages the Teahouse guest. I don't mind so much, but note that you changed the link format from a full url to wikilink and got the wikilink brackets wrong so the link was temporarily lost. Best wishes Flat Out let's discuss it 12:28, 27 June 2013 (UTC)

sorry about that - I got an ec, and ended up checking the whole edit section rather than just my comment becayse of it. Thanks for your understanding though :). Mdann52 (talk) 12:41, 27 June 2013 (UTC)

John Edward Heys

Hello, According to Wikipedia you made an edit to John Edward Heys Wikipedia entry on June 19, 2013 stating "John Edward Heys died October 17,2010 in Berlin". This is absolutely false and on behalf of John Heys and as a close friend I would ask you to refrain from writing such false information! He is alive and well in Berlin. 87.160.190.229 (talk) 17:21, 27 June 2013 (UTC)

Raw veganism?

Hi User:Mdann52, I am not sure why you changing various pages to link to plant-based diet to Raw veganism. John A. McDougall and Rip Esselstyn (two of the pages I'm following) in particular do not recommend a raw vegan diet. Funcrunch (talk) 07:13, 28 June 2013 (UTC)

I was trying to remove Links that shouldn't be there. Have you any suggestions about more appropriate links? Mdann52 (talk) 07:54, 28 June 2013 (UTC)

Backlog Elimination Drive

Hi! I was just wondering if I have signed up correctly. I've created my page, added my name to the list, and put my username on the AfC Buddy signup page. Is all of that to protocol? Thanks, TheOneSean ^{[ U | T | C ]} 02:21, 30 June 2013 (UTC)

You are right it is gone

What happened to the disable button for VE? [4]Doc James (talk · contribs · email) (if I write on your page reply on mine) 11:03, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

@Jmh649: I think it may now be a gadget; I'm aware some js has also been knocking around somewhere. Mdann52 (talk) 11:06, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

Thanks found it. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) (if I write on your page reply on mine) 11:11, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lisbon_Marathon?setlang=pt&veaction=edit

Hi, I´m new at wikipedia... I wanted to change the externa link "Official website" (not working at this moment) to [www.rocknrolllisbon.com]. Thanks! Best Regards, João Gomes

Hi there Gomesjc. The link you have given me redirects to [5], which is already present in the article. I fail to see what needs changing. Mdann52 (talk) 12:39, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

Teahouse talkback: you've got messages!

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template

I do not understand what I've written. What I broke a template? What template? Thanks [6] (Rubendesign (talk) 09:39, 9 July 2013 (UTC)).

NewFranco's requests for adminship

Why did NewFranco's Requests for adminship closing per Snow and WP:NOTYET, per a clear consensus below. 174.95.44.225 (talk) 16:45, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

WP:NOTYET describes the fact some people are not ready for adminship until a long period on Wikipedia, as well as amounting lots ad experience - personally, I'm not an admin, despite the fact I have over 14000 edits and 1.5 years on Wikipedia. [WP:SNOW]] refers to a Snowball clause; if it seems like it has no chance of succeeding, it should be closed immediately. Hope this helps, Mdann52 (talk) 19:52, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

Backlog Drive

I'm still feeling my way around and wanted to participate in the backlog drive, or at least get my contributions recorded, but I don't think I'm getting it! Can you help me out with how the whole backlog page works? I think maybe I need to activate a script or something, but I've kind of mucked it all up. The Ukulele Guy - Aggie80 (talk) 12:39, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

@Aggie80:Nah, you're alright. It is just AFC Buddy hasn't run since you signed up - and I don't have access to run it for you either. Mdann52 (talk) 15:38, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

Start Snuggle

IRC office hours for wiki-mentors and Snuggle users

Hi. We're organizing an office hours session with the Teahouse to bring in mentors from across the wiki to try out Snuggle and discuss it's potential to support mentorship broadly. The Snuggle team would appreciate it if you would come and participate in the discussion. We'll be having it in #wikimedia-office ^connect on Wed. July 17th @ 1600 UTC. See the agenda for more info. --EpochFail^{(talk • work)}, Technical 13 (talk), TheOriginalSoni (talk) 18:28, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

Hi! I just wanted to post a reminder that this discussion will be happening in about 24 hours. If you haven't already used Snuggle, I recommend giving it a try before the meeting. I'll be in #wikimedia-office ^connect a half hour early to answer any questions you have. --EpochFail^{(talk • work)} 16:13, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

Tech News: 2013-29

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please inform other users about these changes. Translations are available.

Recent software changes (Not all changes will affect you.)

• The latest version of MediaWiki (1.22/wmf10) was added to test wikis on July 11. It will be enabled on non–Wikipedia sites on July 15, and on all Wikipedias on July 18. [7]
• The Disambiguator extension was enabled on all Wikimedia wikis on July 9 (bug #50174). To use it, add the __DISAMBIG__ code to disambiguation templates (see example). [8]
• The Universal Language Selector was added to all remaining wikis on July 9, finishing the process of replacing the Narayam and WebFonts extensions. [9]
• The CommonsDelinker bot is now on-line and operating again, after a password problem was fixed (bug #51016).
• VisualEditor news:
  • According to the schedule, VisualEditor will be available to all users on the English Wikipedia on July 15.
  • Users should add TemplateData to templates to prepare for VisualEditor. A tutorial is available.
  • Parameters marked as "required" in TemplateData are now auto-added when you add a template (bug #50747).
  • Warnings are now displayed in VisualEditor when users edit pages that are protected or have edit notices (bug #50415).
  • Many other bugs have been fixed in VisualEditor during the past two weeks.
• The Wikimedia technical report for June has been published, with a summary that can be translated.

Future software changes

• A new version of the Single User Login system for global accounts will be enabled on July 17. Users will now automatically go back to the previous page instead of seeing the "Login success" page with logos. [10]
• The software that resizes images on all wikis will change on July 18. Resizing of big images will be faster and more reliable, and the resolution limit for GIF, PNG and TIFF files (currently set at 50 megapixels) will be removed. [11]
• Edit tags (mostly used by AbuseFilter) will now also be on diff pages. They include a link to Special:Tags before the edit summary. Wikis that use links in tag messages should remove them. [12] [13]
• Global edit filters are currently in testing and will be added to wikis later. [14]
• Wikivoyage wikis will start to use Wikidata for interwiki links on July 22. [15]
• A new image gallery design has been proposed by Brian Wolff; comments and feedback are welcome.
• An IRC discussion about Bugzilla is planned for July 16, at 16:00 (UTC) on the IRC channel #wikimedia-office on Freenode (time conversion). [16]

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17:30, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

Hi there--I'm changing Philip Slater's bio--he was a sociologist, not an actor. Check out all his obits in the NYT, SF Chron, etc.--and look him up on Amazon. Phil was a friend and colleague, but you can check all the changes I made--from his own website and the obits. Let me know if there's anything else I can tell you about this process-I'm new at it!

Alfonso Montuori amontuori@ciis.edu — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.83.18.26 (talk) 17:47, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

Emsisoft Company wikipage

Hello,

You sent me a warning, but i dont know why Emsisoft which i created was inappropriate. I didn't write anything more or anything less. I didn't see any problem. There have benn 6 people and you, who are since yesterday continuously deleting my articles. I work for Emsisoft, i know my job very well, but you cannot remove our article, which i know from the 1st hand how to handle it. Please acknowledge. Aldi Aldi Duzha - Emsisoft (talk) 19:58, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Achinger coat of arms

Noble intentions must be punished :-). Now you have to go through 200+ articles in order to properly complete the AfD close. I hope your semiautomated tools will help you. Staszek Lem (talk) 17:19, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

Shit.... Why do I keep forgetting I need to do that when I close them.... :( Mdann52 (talk) 20:53, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

That's why huge mass nominations often sit open longer - because no one wants to go through and un-AFD them if they're kept. Have fun! UltraExactZZ ^Said ~ Did 12:09, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

A really convenient list to use might be User:Snotbot/AfD report - as long as Snotbot doesn't asplode in the meantime. FYI. UltraExactZZ ^Said ~ Did 12:10, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

I've now discovered why AWB was written... If only I could get off school PCs so I could use it :D Mdann52 (talk) 12:16, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

I've asked admins to pitch in at AN. Maybe one of them will knock it out with AWB or something. In the meantime, I took 5 of the D's. UltraExactZZ ^Said ~ Did 12:53, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

@Staszek Lem and Ultraexactzz:  Done Mdann52 (talk) 13:49, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

Moderna Therapeutics AfD

The AfD result was keep? Did the Admin notice that at least one of the commenter ( Publicindividual87) at AfD talk page was a confirmed sock puppet of Morning277? In fact the sock puppet created too many accounts to edit/publish. Will the sock puppet vote of AfD not violate Wikipedia policy and make the decision questionable? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sidv220 (talk • contribs) 14:28, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

I find it suspicious that you have only 3 edits, yet you know about AFD, Sockpuppetry. And no; one vote wouldn't make a difference; also, I can't be expected to check every editor that votes - I have a script that marks blocked editors, but can't predict sockpuppeteer. Mdann52 (talk) 14:35, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

I read about sock puppetry before asking the question. Is that wrong? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sidv220 (talk • contribs) 14:54, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

July 2013

Hello. There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is WP:COMPETENCE problem with Arctic Kangaroo on AfC. Thank you. —Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 19:02, 21 July 2013 (UTC)

Tech News: 2013-30

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please inform other users about these changes. Translations are available.

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• The latest version of MediaWiki (1.22/wmf11) was added to test wikis and MediaWiki.org on July 18. It will be enabled on non–Wikipedia sites on July 22, and on all Wikipedias on July 25. [17]
• A new version of the Flow Prototype can be tested on Wikimedia Labs. [18]
• VisualEditor news:
  • The schedule to add VisualEditor to non-English Wikipedias has been changed: the new editor will be available for logged-in users on the German (de), Spanish (es), French (fr), Hebrew (he), Italian (it), Dutch (nl), Polish (pl), Russian (ru) and Swedish (sv) Wikipedias on July 24, and for all users on those wikis on July 29. [19]
  • A warning is now displayed if an edit made with VisualEditor matches an edit filter (bug #50472).
  • SpamBlacklist messages are also supported (bug #50826).
  • Users can now edit <nowiki>...</nowiki> blocks (bug #47678).
  • When a user types text at the end of a link, the link now expands to that text. [20]
• Freely-licensed fonts for the Cree, Inuktitut and Urdu languages were added to Universal Language Selector, fixing bug #42421 and bug #46693.
• A Wikidata search plugin for the Firefox web browser was released by Jeroen De Dauw and can be downloaded from the Mozilla add-ons website.

Future software changes

• The change of the Wikimedia image scaling system from ImageMagick to VipsScaler (announced in the previous issue) has been postponed until bug #51370 is fixed. [21]
• Administrators will no longer see an unblock link for autoblocked IP addresses on the contributions page (bug #46457). [22]
• A request for comments on site-wide CSS was started on MediaWiki.org. [23]

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21:00, 21 July 2013 (UTC)

Hi Mdann52,

I've seen you have deleted the external link I've put to Triglav page. I don't know why is my link any different then the other 2 link (summitpost.com and hribi.net)?

Regards, Miha — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.85.160.48 (talk) 16:21, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

AFC

Hi there. How are you? Hope fine. Anyway there's a backlog drive is going on AFC. After the drive top users will be awarded barnstars. Now my quest is can I distribute barnstars? I know that I'm a participant in this drive. Still can I? I can give barnstars to users named A-O. You distribute others. What do you think? And please be straight. Yes or No. I will not mind. And notify me.--Pratyya ^(Hello!) 13:48, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

Hi there. Unfortunately, I am going to say no in this instance, due to the ANI thread currently going on. Also, I am going to check reviews before giving out barnstars per advice on IRC yesterday. Thanks, Mdann52 (talk) 15:09, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

Question?

Was this meant for me? there was an indent by my warning so I thought it was for me, if you think I violated 3RR on your talk page, then I'm really sorry, I was only trying to get him from not Attacking you, next time please post on my talk page if I made a mistake :) Prabash.Akmeemana 16:37, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

@Prabash.A:No, it was a note for the user who was protesting their innocence on my talk page. Mdann52 (talk) 16:39, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

Hah! true, anyways great work with the vandal fighting today! Prabash.Akmeemana 16:40, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

Tech News: 2013-31

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please inform other users about these changes; not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

• The latest version of MediaWiki (1.22/wmf12) was added to test wikis and MediaWiki.org on July 25. It will be enabled on non–Wikipedia sites on July 29, and on all Wikipedias on August 1. [24]
• Wikivoyage was offline for around 40 minutes on July 24. [25]
• Pywikipediabot moved their code from SVN to git; bot owners need to update their tools. [26]
• The Notifications and Thanks extensions were added to Meta-Wiki on July 26; other wikis will get them soon. [27]
• It is now possible to add edit summaries on Wikidata using the API; the feature will be added to user interface soon. [28]
• The software that resizes large PNG images on all wikis was changed on July 25. Resizing of PNG files bigger than 35 megapixels should be faster and more reliable now. [29]
• Three new webfonts (Gentium, Old Persian and Shapour) will be added to Universal Language Selector. [30], [31], [32]
• Special:MIMESearch, which gives a list of files by type, will be enabled on all Wikimedia wikis with MediaWiki version 1.22/wmf12 (bug #13438). [33]
• A mailing list to discuss multimedia features was started; users are encouraged to sign up.
• VisualEditor news:
  • On July 24, VisualEditor was added for logged-in users on the German (de), Spanish (es), French (fr), Hebrew (he), Italian (it), Polish (pl), Russian (ru) and Swedish (sv) Wikipedias; it will be added for all users on those wikis on July 29. [34]
  • A preference to completely disable VisualEditor while it is in beta phase was added on July 24. [35]
  • Many bugs were fixed in right-to-left languages. [36] [37] [38] [39] [40] [41]
  • It is possible again to scroll down in the template editing window (bug #51739).
  • VisualEditor now works with the FlaggedRevisions extension. (bug #49699)
  • If the user opens VisualEditor using a section edit link, the title of the section is added to the edit summary (bug #50872).
  • Invisible templates now can't be deleted by accident or on purpose (bug #51322).

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20:41, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

video simulation

A video simulation of the OZ214 crash is not "linkspam". 71.60.50.60 (talk) 15:41, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

It is when it is produced by a random YouTube user, and as it may have possible copyright issues. Mdann52 (talk) 15:42, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

Jennifer O'neil your undo of my edit that was NOT vandalism

hello, can you please explain why you just undid my edit of another edit changing material which another editor considered to be too "promotional" when I thought it was neutral and entirely simply descriptive; the SILENT NO MORE CAMPAIGN is in fact no denominational (not affiliated with any religious group), non-political (not affiliated with any particular party) and non-profit (a valid 501(c)(3)) entity. My edit was not vandalism at all !!!! My criticism is that some editors here seem to be editing just for the sake of editing itself. My own theory: If it ain't broke, don't fix it ! thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.162.42.99 (talk) 15:43, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

• I agree and have reinstated the content. Mdann52, when you revert, please given an argument in an edit summary. Thank you. 207.157.121.52 (talk) 15:46, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

@50.162.42.99 and 207.157.121.52: I have reverted again. Please see WP:UNDUE, and take discussion to the talk page. Thanks, Mdann52 (talk) 15:48, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

There is nothing undue about it. The BRD cycle doesn't apply, since it's two editors who disagree with you, and that suggests that you need to make your case on the talk page, where you are welcome to do so. 207.157.121.52 (talk) 15:59, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

Um...no. The BRD cycle applies to the dispute as a whole - a user shouldn't cause the whole process to break down. Mdann52 (talk) 16:07, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

Jennifer O'Neill

Dear Mdann52: The concensus appears to be that you are simply wrong in your editing of the Jennifer O'Neill page. This is how it has been for the past year and a half. There is absolutely nothing wrong in my humble opinion with a correct description of non-denomination, non-political, non-profit organization. It seems that you are intent upon engaging in an editing war with other editors for no useful purpose. Please stop your stubborn undo s or you risk getting blocked. thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.162.42.99 (talk) 21:39, 30 July 2013 (UTC)

Talkback

Hello, Mdann52. You have new messages at Minna Sora no Shita's talk page.
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--みんな空の下 (トーク) 17:55, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Barnstar

Thanks for that. You've forgotten the Reviewing reviews one though...second time in a row FoCuSandLeArN (talk) 18:11, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

@FoCuSandLeArN: Sorry about that - I was in a mighty rush to finish them today, so was unable to check the reviewers reviews in detail - I will try and do so in future (or get It added to AFC Buddy) Mdann52 (talk) 18:19, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

No worries! FoCuSandLeArN (talk) 20:12, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Peabody Essex Museum Update

Hi mdann52, It looks like the user from the same IP(200.63.254.80) readded the same section again. I "undid" the changes. Can something stronger be done? Thank you. ~Moshe Moshekaye (talk) 20:15, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

@Moshekaye: I have issues a level 2 warning. You may be interested in WP:UW, which is all about the warning system. Thanks, Mdann52 (talk) 20:19, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Thank you again Mdann52. I will update here if it happens again. Moshekaye (talk) 20:31, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Thanks...

... for the barnstar! It's so shiny! theonesean 20:40, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Discussion at Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/RfC Reviewer permission

You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/RfC Reviewer permission. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 08:23, 24 August 2013 (UTC)

Hi User:Mdann52,

I talked to you yesterday about a problem with an article being vandalized. You said I could ping you if I neded more help. I do. :(

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rich_Cebra

The editor who is removing the contents of this entry is a past chairman of the Maine State Republican Party and current employee of the Maine Senate Republicans. He has a vested interest in keeping the facts of Cebra, the immediate past Chairman of the party and the circumstances of his resignation.

He has a conflict of interest which is clear.

This time he removed almost everything in the article.

I am about to revert it yet again, but is there some way that this can be kept from happening again?

Thanks for your help. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ObadiahKatz (talk • contribs) 14:03, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

Tech News: 2013-34;

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please inform other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

New features

• The previous version of MediaWiki (1.22/wmf13) was added to test wikis and MediaWiki.org on August 15. It was enabled on non-Wikipedia sites on August 19, and on all Wikipedias on August 22. [42]
• The latest version of MediaWiki (1.22/wmf14) was added to test wikis and MediaWiki.org on August 22. It will be enabled on non-Wikipedia sites on August 26, and on all Wikipedias on August 29. [43]
• You can now use new styles of galleries. Please give feedback to User:Bawolff. [44]
• You can now visit a random page in a category, for example Special:RandomInCategory/Science. (25931) [45]
• You can now use the <wbr> HTML5 tag to say where a word can be cut. (52468) [46]
• Gadget authors: you can now use the wikipage.content hook, so that your scripts are re-run when a page is changed after the document-ready event (for example using Ajax). (30713) [47]

Problems fixed

• There was a bug where file redirects didn't work when a file was renamed; it is now fixed. There is still an issue with purging, but it should be fixed soon. (52200)
• Maintenance reports provided by special pages will now all be updated on each wiki every six months. This will for example give you recent information on uncategorized pages, unused templates and most wanted pages (see details).
• There was a bug that caused false positives for anti-blanking edit filters; it is now fixed. (52077) [48]

VisualEditor news

• The "edit" and "edit source" tabs and section edit links can now be changed more easily; for example, some wikis are using "edit source" for wikitext editing, and "edit ^beta" for VisualEditor. You can ask for the same change in bugzilla.
• You can now edit references that are added inside a <references> block. (51741)
• You can now test on mediawiki.org new basic tools to add and edit struck text (with the button for the <s> tag), lower text ( for <sub>), upper text ( for <sup>), underlined text ( for <u>), computer code ( for <code> and <tt>), math text ( for <math>), Egyptian hieroglyphs ( for <hiero>), and to say that text is in another language ( for lang="ar" dir="rtl"). (51609, 51612, 51611, 51590, 51610, 52352)
• You can now use VisualEditor with the Opera browser. [49]

Future

• Starting on August 26, you will be able to use data from Wikidata on Wikivoyage sites. [50]
• Starting on August 27, you will also get notifications on the mobile site if you're logged in to a wiki using notifications. [51]
• Starting on August 28, all users with an account will be using HTTPS to access Wikimedia sites. HTTPS brings better security and improves your privacy. Some countries (like China) will not use HTTPS. If HTTPS causes problems for you, tell us on meta. [52]
• Starting on August 29, you will get the code editor interface to edit JavaScript and CSS pages on all wikis. [53]
• The plan to use Solr for search in MediaWiki was changed; instead, Elasticsearch is now planned. [54]

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19:52, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

ancient news..

I was just wondering: Did you make this comment as a result of these sandbox edits? They are sandbox tests (literally, testing copy-editing options etc), rather than a true article draft, so a non-templated welcome reminding them to use English in main space rather then a "your English is not good enough" might in that case have been a bit more welcoming... Or is there some deleted content that I am missing? L.tak (talk) 09:02, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

@L.tak: Yes, but I believe the user would of come onto IRC and started talking in German, as I hardly ever welcome users who have just made sandbox edits. Also, I think these template messages just remind people this is for English only; it doesn't say "your English is rubbish". Mdann52 (talk) 09:24, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

o, ok, that clears things up... the template does indeed not say it's rubbish, but it states a bit more then "reminding to use English" in stating "unfortunately your contributions are not written in English that is good enough to be useful" which can certainly be perceived as discouraging to contribute at the English Wikipedia (btw: it certainly wasn't German he was writing, but Dutch)... L.tak (talk) 09:45, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

Hello Mdann52!

I have raised some articles for deletion. But you have removed may I know why you have did that? AdamSmithUS (talk) 16:11, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

@AdamSmithUS: You malformed the AFD pages - when nominating for a second time, you need to add (2nd nomination) to the end. I am currently rectifying the situation - hang on :) Mdann52 (talk) 16:12, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

@Mdann52: Ya please do that thanks for your help :). AdamSmithUS (talk) 16:16, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

Your interactions with new editors

I'm contacting you about a study that I'm running with TheOriginalSoni exploring newcomer mentorship activities in Wikipedia. I'd like to ask you a few questions about your interactions with newcomers and to explore how a tool like WP:Snuggle might make your work easier. The interview and demo session will take 30 minutes to an hour depending on how much time we spend discussing things. If you're interested, let me know. If not, disregard this message and I won't bother you again.

• Study overview: meta:Research:Peer_mentorship_and_snuggle
• Consent form: meta:Research:Peer_mentorship_and_snuggle/Consent

Thanks for your consideration. --EpochFail (talk • contribs) 18:04, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

Response to request for a Rollback editor puzzled me

Hello User:Mdann52. You responded around noon on 25 August 2013 to my request for the brief services of an authorized editor to rollback instead of revert a sequence of twelve vandalism edits just previously made to the World football transfer record article. For this specific form of vandalism, the Standard Rollback procedure is recommended (for example here), and preferred in this case as itemized by the second set of bullet items there. This vandalism (then pristine) seemed the perfect situation for it, and seems to me would have cleaned up all vandalism in something like 60 seconds. It is now too late to perform a Standard Rollback procedure because useful (or at least well-intentioned, non-vandalism) edits have ensued.

The question below is for me to learn from any answer you might provide; nothing else is implied or should be inferred. Instead of the solicited rollback, you advised me here that I "can request the page be protected using WP:RFPP". But it seems to me that this would have the opposite effect than the one desired. Wouldn't it retain and lock the twelve acts of vandalism into the article? My suspicion that the vandalism had ceased was in fact true, so wouldn't there also have been none of the usual protection benefits in this case? That preamble was too long; my question is a little shorter:

What have I misunderstood from your suggestion of WP:RFPP (closing the stable door after the horse has bolted) rather than performing the requested Standard Rollback?

With thanks in advance for troubling you with the time for this, from ChrisJBenson (talk) 13:10, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

@ChrisJBenson: Rollback would of been inappropriate in this case, as they were good-faith edits. Requesting page protection would of been a better method to prevent this, especially if you think future inappropriate edits would be added. Thanks, Mdann52 (talk) 13:14, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

But with respect (in the amount its worth), none of the eight additions constructed by the blatantly obvious twelve vandalism edits are valid good faith edits. I previously indicated in my request how to determine this. Please read the following as I clarify it as obvious vandalism for you in four different ways.

1) All eight additions were made in a one hour span on 25 August 2013. In every one of those cases, the cited source was forged and identical (by copying an existing citation about the transfer of a different player entirely in a different year entirely). In just one hour yesterday, the article ended with eight citations to the same BBC article published on 9 June 2009. Only one portion of the text in the citation was modified, in some cases specifying a club for which the new addition did not and has never played. All the citations actually linked to the BBC article about the transfer of Kaka to Real Madrid which happened four years ago, (not one day ago). That pre-existing entry actually did take place on that eight-times-repeated date of 9 June 2009.

2) All eight newly added entries of yesterday were specified to have had the citing source verified on 9 June 2009. This was despite the "alleged" fact that seven of those events happened in 2013, and the eighth was in 2011. Would you have us believe that the BBC on one miraculous day four years ago (2009) was able to publish details about eight player transfers that wouldn't actually occur until two (2011) or four years later (2013)? Furthermore, do you believe that although retrieving and verifying the news of these 2013 transfers by supernatural BBC prophesy back in 2009, the editor in question held on to this verified information for four more years before telling the rest of the world? And he also din't think to re-check the source for any of the eight additions during those four years?

3) Seven of the additional bogus entries were alleged to have taken place on just two different days, and half of them were kept a secret for two years by publicly traded companies (clubs that must publish a financial statement at least every year, usually four times). Before this weekend's alleged activity, only six times in 100 years had the world record been broken more than once in the same calendar year (that is YEAR not same day). But you'd accept seven world record-breaking transfers on just two distinct days - neither of them at the end of August or end of January deadlines enforced in Europe? Did you also consider that these transfers would have to be so incredibly carefully orchestrated to monotonically increase in value during the course of the day? That would require a bizarre belief system.

There is more proof that they're deliberate vandalism by considering a completely different metric:

4) Every single one of these insertions that had been somehow missed by the rest of the world was inserted into the wrong place (the wrong horizontal row) in the table. Furthermore, they were mostly irreconcilable by being moved to a better horizontal row position. Did you look at for example the entry for Falcao - a transfer allegedly in 2013 for an amount that was less than not more than a previous record amount four years earlier. Not a bit less than (fluctuating exchange rates couldn't explain it anyway), but in the case of Falcao's "record" in 2013 it was only just over half of the transfer fee record amount established four years earlier! That is deliberate vandalism. Please think it through!

Please don't try things like this again (my original request is both visible and archived). I held the opinion, discussed with another editor, and quite clearly stated the "exact opposite" of the "expecting future vandalism" phrase you are pinning on me. I actually said the vandalism seemed to have abated. The word abated means lessen, diminish, fade away.

Your answer that these were all good-faith edits and your suggestion to just protect the page still containing them is quite frankly hard to believe, especially in light of the vandalism evidence that has now been presented to you twice. I understand that it is your opinion to keep/protect those twelve changes, but I am certain that no other editor will support your laissez faire approach in this case. The vandalism will be removed today with or without your help, because it is going to be a big day for this list tomorrow. I have already worked on the whole manual reversion offline earlier today as soon as I saw your position. This includes a complete rewrite of the data in the secondary tables (by country and by continent). Those were left in a worse than awful state; very nearly every number was woefully incorrect by far. My delay in returning to this was due to my still ongoing attempt to automate the secondary tables by counting and associating national flags from the primary table.

Finally, and I hope you don't mind me raising this last point (delete this paragraph if and when you desire). To achieve the counterfactual conditional tense construction in English, the tense is indicated by "would" as you used it, but the accompanying auxiliary verb is "to have", not "to of", used by you today. The "would of" in your message should have been "would have".

I do not like to sound so disagreeable, but this was so clearly vandalism, and identifiably so by three different forms of metric (in four tests), on a page that will be so highly scrutinised tomorrow. ChrisJBenson (talk) 16:47, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

@ChrisJBenson: Actually, I have reverted it, so please don't accuse me of not doing so. In addition, I couldn't roll back the edits, as another editor edited the page, making rollback impossible. Anyway, it's all fixed, so nothing more to see here. Mdann52 (talk) 17:57, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

I'm not sure why you're continuing, but I wouldn't want people to read your statement that it's all fixed and get the impression that it's all fixed, when it is not. Article edits and these comments have timestamps that disagree with your last paragraph:

• You responded at 7:36 am Sunday. You had not undone the vandalism. You even stated "it would have been inappropriate in this case, because [you believed] the edits were not vandalism."
• Rollback was not impossible for the reason you gave. You could have rolled back the edits. Almost three hours after your response, at 10:19 am Sunday, "another editor edited the page". It was the first change after the twelve vandalism edits by John111222@151.224.182.60.
• It is not all fixed. As I mentioned above more than one day ago, most entries in the two secondary tables are wrong. They're still incorrect; I didn't add my changes after you said it was all fixed.
• It seems there is something more to see: An article with all the vandalism removed will be available soon.

But thank you for your assistance. As a newcomer to Wikipedia editing and its policies, it is much appreciated. ChrisJBenson (talk) 04:22, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

Followup question for Help Me request

Mdann52, I appreciate your response to my Help Me request, but I have further questions. Dezastru (talk) 20:03, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

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A barnstar for you!

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University of Michigan Men's Glee Club

You might want to look at this article and its related AfD again.... Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 11:40, 11 September 2013 (UTC)

The nomination was made by me after a discussion on IRC with other helpers. It was flagged up be someone who entered the help channel, and we couldn't find anything. If you had flagged this up earlier, I would of speedy kept the nom, but I will just let this run it's course. Mdann52 (talk) 12:15, 11 September 2013 (UTC)

I recently expressed a viewpoint that sometimes an AfD is the only way to get work done. Had you just tagged this as {{refimprove}}, I would have never discovered the existence of the article, much less try to improve it. And without being motivated to do a thorough source check, I would not have noticed significant sections of the article were in fact copyvios. Although I think the club's notable, its principal notability derives from activities about 40 - 60 years ago, which is why the basic WP:BEFORE search would probably fail. So in fact sending it to AfD has, perversely, been about the best thing you could have done to it. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 12:56, 11 September 2013 (UTC)

WP:CVUA

Hi there! I'm sure you remember me from IRC and also "around", but I have wanted to dip my toe into vandal-fighting for a while now, and it's only in my talks with Kudpung that I realized there's an whole system to doing this. In a roundabout way, I'd like to ask if you might maybe kinda sorta want to train me at CVUA? It's entirely your choice, but I'd really appreciate it if you did. Thanks! theonesean 22:43, 10 September 2013 (UTC)

@Theonesean: Sure; I will probably not get around to getting it all sorted out until the weekend, but I am happy to have you as a student :) Mdann52 (talk) 10:06, 11 September 2013 (UTC)

Take your time - I'm in no rush. Thanks! theonesean 20:05, 11 September 2013 (UTC)

Personal attacks

Your warning would have more strength if directed at the right person. I have been personally attacked by ChrisGualtieri from the start [55][56] and I would have had all the reasons to escalate this at WP:ANI myself, had I not been of an extreme patience.Folken de Fanel (talk) 16:51, 12 September 2013 (UTC)

I'm not the one reinserting libelous material while the matter is at BLPN and arguing some bad editorial as superior to the original document. After being warned you continue to make personal attacks and try to paint yourself as a paragon of patience and sensibility while continuing to do everything you can do to justify its inclusion. When I said the source was not reliable, you made a big drama at A&M about the ENTIRE publication being unreliable as a result. Not sure what your issue with Anno is, but it has no place on Wikipedia. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 17:15, 12 September 2013 (UTC)

Implying that I would have any issue with Anno and that I would be developing it on Wikipedia, is itself a personal attack. Accusing me of adding "libelous material" when you have been told by an uninvolved user in your thread at the BLP noticeboard that there is "no defamation, libel, attack etc that should interest this board" is a personal attack. Saying that I paint myself as a "paragon of patience and sensibility" while I merely said I was "extremely patient" is a personal attack. Saying that I "made a big drama at A&M" when I merely notified the A&M project of a noticeboard discussion of interest to project, is a personal attack.

And before that, telling me right at the beginning of the dispute that I "have demonstrated very little knowledge of the subject and a hostile POV", and that I "know nothing of Anno's past and (I) seem to be deliberately taking unreliable and questionable tertiary sources to construe a point that was not in the interview itself" are personal attacks.Folken de Fanel (talk) 17:31, 12 September 2013 (UTC)

• Claiming everything is a personal attack doesn't make it so. The removal is warranted under WP:BLP, and you do not reinsert it while under discussion. It should be an open and shut matter. Your attribution to Anno is not in the source, it is false. False things should be removed. Say whatever you want, but you misquote Anno despite having an English translation. Now before you go claiming that my assertion is false, get the original source. Protoculture's editorial is not reliable and should not be used over the original. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 17:50, 12 September 2013 (UTC)
  • No removal is warranted under WP:BLP, especially when someone tells you at the BLP Noticeboard that there is "no defamation, libel, attack etc that should interest this board". i reinsert it when I want, especially if I modify to element that is bothering you. My attribution to Anno is in the source, it is not false but accurate. There is nothing false to remove. I never misquoted anyone. Protoculture Addicts is a perfectly reliable source already in use in multiple articles and referenced in several critical publications, that you have somehow decided it is unreliable doesn't make it so. You do not have the original source.Folken de Fanel (talk) 17:59, 12 September 2013 (UTC)
  • I note that another user has just warned you against "revert(ing) constructive editing without discussion". Don't you think it is time to step back and think about what has happened ? That's the second editor uninvolved in our dispute that is coming to tell you there is a problem with your contribution, in one single day.Folken de Fanel (talk) 18:04, 12 September 2013 (UTC)

question

Hello,

I have found a media coverage reference I have it as a pdf file on my laptop. Can I send or email it to you so you can add it to my article please? its not online its a hard copy of a article in a newspaper the voice I have it in my email please can you assist me of how I can get it up?

Look forward to hearing from you

Many thanks Amellondon — Preceding unsigned comment added by Amellondon (talk • contribs) 17:39, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

I need to upload my reference as it is on my desktop-id like to add to my submission and place back in queue - where is the upload section? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Amellondon (talk • contribs) 18:04, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

Hello,

I have a reference that's media coverage - its from The Voice newspaper, but it is not an online copy only a hard copy on my laptop, how do I add it to my article? also please can you advise my article is ok and ready to resubmit??

Thanks Amellondon — Preceding unsigned comment added by Amellondon (talk • contribs) 00:43, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

See {{Cite news}}. --Mdann52talk to me! 11:48, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

Parenthetical disambiguation

Thank you for your answer in Help Desk. I meant such cases as Tenure which is a redirect to Tenure (academic). Is it a correct redirect? --Ali Pirhayati (talk) 11:45, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

Thanks...

...for the housekeeping at my user talk. See ya' round Tiderolls 12:40, 10 September 2013 (UTC)

...Thank you very much for helping us with Jack Soifer page, both procedures are done: less books and a fresh criticism column waiting for verifiable sources. Jackinovaaantes (talk) 09:10, 17 September 2013 (UTC)

*ping*

Hey, just checking in on you. I'm in no rush, but I'm just wondering when I can get started with the CVUA. I don't want to be over-eager, I'm just really excited. Any potential time-frame for that? Thanks, theonesean 18:05, 17 September 2013 (UTC)

@Theonesean: Sorry, I've had some IRL issues, so haven't been around that much. You can find it at your CVUA page. --Mdann52talk to me! 07:18, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

Hot! Thanks! theonesean 12:55, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

Reversion on Kevin Pina Page

Hi there, I realize that citations alone do not make for a suitable section of a page, but you (and everyone else) that have reverted this heavily cited section have not addressed why and how this section is inappropriate. If a page exists because the person is a journalist, is it inappropriate to represent that person's views on their Wikipedia page? Wevers2000 (talk) 21:58, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

Oblivion (roller coaster)

Hi Mdann52. I don't know if you remember me but you were the one that helped me out when I started the first AFC Backlog Drive. Anyway, please do not take anything that I'm about to say as an offence, it is strictly for the purpose of informing you, learning, understanding what is Good Article worthy and what is not.

You nominated Oblivion (roller coaster) for GA status last week but I have spotted several serious errors that will defiantly not pass a GA review.

• Several statements (and an entire section) do not have ref's
• There are bare url's (highly risky as they can go dead at any time)
• Some info seems to be excessive and leaning more towards sounding like an advertisement.
• The article is missing a reception section, a key section in most roller coaster articles.

Again, this is not me trying to offend you. I am doing what is in the best interest of the Wikipedia Community by informing you areas of improvement. If you haven't already, I suggest reading through the Good article criteria.

If you have any questions, feel free to reply on my talk page or here (but it may take a while for me to respond as I'm kinda busy right now).--Dom497 (talk) 20:53, 19 September 2013 (UTC)

Image question

Hi, Mdann52

I noticed that my image was deleted from an Article I created called "Marisela Verena" (https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marisela_Verena). The image name is File:Mariselaverena.jpg. I went to Commons Undeletion Request and asked for it to be undeleted. As I explained in my request, this picture was taken by a person in Verena's staff who is a friend of mine. I have his permission to use the image in Wikipedia. He is not a professional photographer, he is just very good at taking pictures. Please help me to get the image back in her page. Thank you very much for your help.

Georgina Fernandez (talk) 02:49, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

As we discussed on IRC, the photographer owns the copyright. Unless you can provide evidence they have released the copyright, and are happy to give away most of their rights in regards to control of the image, we can't use it. Also, it has been used on other websites, which may now have a claim of copyright on it, so we still can't accept it. --Mdann52talk to me! 07:22, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

Edit conflict

Every edit Iv done to the page the IP Address user chose to undo which is the reason I myself brought it upon to change them back I place the list of fighters correctly spelled and listed as they are on the official WSOF website as well as the correct MMA records so if I saw or see anything incorrect or unnecessary I fix or correct the edit so that it goes with the pages format I follow the correct formatting as the other pages do and myself as well as others feel different ways of how the format should be so all formats aren't the same depending on who chooses to edit them JMichael22 (talk) 09:03, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

You are still edit warring. My only advice is discuss it with the IP, reach a consensus, and apply that. I am not taking a side in the dispute. --Mdann52talk to me! 09:04, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

I understand all I was pointing out to him was only information that is need for the page is official factual information from the official WSOF website but he kept choosing to undo my edits JMichael22 (talk) 09:07, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

I reverted the edits on the Bulgarian fighter's names because they were misspelled, and in the edit summary I left a source showing they were misspelled. As far as the NC Marker dispute goes, the NC marker is on every other List of current (insert MMA promotion here) fighters page because it's the only indicator on the respective page that tells the number in parenthesis means "No Contest", and is helpful to new users and people newer to the sport of MMA. JMichael in his edits claimed he "owns" the page, which violates WP:OWN, and was a bit hostile with his threat to "report my IP address", even though I honestly don't know what he means by that exactly... Either way, I am willing to work this dispute out on the talk page of the page in question, and I have started a topic there on it. 173.171.83.140 (talk) 09:32, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

Ranger Photo

Hi Mdann52. Thank you for the your message. My Username is Himanshudarji19. May know why the image ranger.jpg has been declined. I am new to wikipedia and I need help to uploading that image in the relavent article. Please guide me or help me. Thank you in advance. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Himanshudarji19 (talk • contribs) 10:25, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

@Himanshudarji19: Hi there. The reason is because the copyright tag on the original image appears not to be valid. Therefore, it would be inappropriate to put it on Wikipedia while the copyright status is unknown. --Mdann52talk to me! 11:50, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

@Mdann52:Hi. Thank you for the information. I would like to upload that image in relevent article. Please help me how would I upload it. That photo has taken in the photostudio like any high street shop. However that photohas mentioned on the many website. Please help me. Thank you in advance.

You can't upload that photo. It is copyrighted, and fails out non-free content criteria. --Mdann52talk to me! 14:30, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

Hi Mdann, It is my copyright and If I would like to upload it how and under want license shoud I upload it. Please advise. Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Himanshudarji19 (talk • contribs) 12:03, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

@Himanshudarji19: Are you willing to release your rights to then photo as stated by CC-BY-SA? --Mdann52talk to me! 12:15, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

@Mdann:yes I can release it. Please advise what do I have to do it. Thank you

@Himanshudarji19: see WP:FUW. --Mdann52talk to me! 13:27, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

@Mdann:Thank you for the information, however I can not upload it as I am not confirm user as per wikipedia. would you upload please? Thank you again.

@Himanshudarji19: reply to this, then you will be --Mdann52talk to me! 13:38, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

@Mdann: Thank you very much Mdann.

@Mdann: Hi Mdann, could you please check that photograph is on the Rami Ranger article? it has speeddy deletion tag I dont know how? Please help.

@Himanshudarji19: see WP:OTRS for how to submit permission for use. --Mdann52talk to me! 12:13, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

CVUA

Hi Mdann52. I have the most comprehensive tasks page at User:Jianhui67/CVUA/Tasks. I want to ask if the edit filter section is relevant to the course or not. Jianhui67 ^{talk★contribs} 10:41, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

Hi Mdann52, have you seen my message? It has been for 2 days already. Jianhui67 ^{talk★contribs} 11:05, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

@Jianhui67: Thought I replied... Sorry. It seems fine; A test on it would be not relevant, but some background on the tagging process is better than nothing. --Mdann52talk to me! 12:14, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

Babur

Please do not automatically revert to an unacademic, nationalist POV-version. Thank you. --Lysozym (talk) 13:43, 18 October 2013 (UTC)

@Lysozym: I see consensus on the talk page differs from your opinion. WP:DROP it, or discuss it. --Mdann52talk to me! 13:50, 18 October 2013 (UTC)

Consensus?! By only 2 users?! Have you actually dared to read the LOOOOOONG discussion archives?! What you call "consensus" is a total contradiction to the REAL consensus among scholar, as represented in this authoritative academic encyclopaedia (one of the prestige projects of Columbia University). Be honest: do you have ANY expertise in this subject?! This is ridiculous! I will ask other users to help out ... people who know the academic sources and who know how to differentiate between sources. But thankfully, a more knowlegable user has already reacted ... If you have no knowledge of the subject or the respective academic sources, please stay away from the discussion. Thank you! --Lysozym (talk) 20:07, 18 October 2013 (UTC)