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Category:Systems

Thank you for your contribution to Category:Systems in the past. There is currently a Call for Deletion for this category. If you would like to contribute to the discussion, you would be very welcome. In particular, if you would like to save this category, please add a Keep entry with your "signature" using "~~~~". Please do this soon if possible since the discussion period is very short. Thank you for your interest if you can contribute. Regards, Jonathan Bowen 18:13, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for bringing this to my attention - Mdd 20:53, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

And thank you for your excellent and reasoned support. Dr. Submillimeter is waging a similar Call for Deletion for Category:Projects by type. Your input there would also be welcome if you feel this category has similar if lesser ontological strengths. It seems that Dr. Submillimeter is very much against broad orthogonal and interdisciplinary categories, but personally I think that is where some of the real benefits of Wikipedia'a structure come to the fore. Thanks again. Best wishes, Jonathan Bowen 04:31, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

I'm affraid I'm not so sure on this point - Mdd 14:09, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

I'm trying for an appeal for Category:System — see Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2007 April 20 — we can see what happens anyway, but do add to the discussion! — Jonathan Bowen 17:48, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Interesting initiative, I'll comment on [1] - Mdd 19:38, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks

However, I've only made a list of what I'd like to do. I'm getting around to it. Good idea for the archive - Kenneth M Burke - 16:27, 17 April 2007 (UTC

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The WikiProject Systems Initiative

As a contributor to a related article, I like to let you know about WikiProject Systems, a collaborative effort to improve Wikipedia's coverage of the Systems. If you're interested, visit the project page, where you can support this project by joining, take up open tasks or work on articles. Thanks! Mdd 23:47, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Sjabloon

Ik denk dat je "template" bedoelt :) >Radiant< 13:23, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, and dank je wel... - Mdd 13:28, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Order of projects at GPS

Hey there, I'm reverting the order of projects at GPS. In the future, please be considerate and discuss your suggested changes in order or add your new projects to the end of the list. - Davandron | Talk 12:41, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Thank you, I have given an answer at the talkpage of the GPS article, see: [2] - Mdd 13:12, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

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Systems theory

Hm, okay thanks. I didn't really take to analyzing what you had done. I simply noted that my name was being placed after comments not my own. Actually did not mean to make reverts myself. Thanks for your help nevertheless.--Kenneth M Burke 03:05, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

My answer is placed on Kenneth M Burke's reaction talk page.

I've been planning to work on the page for some time. We'll get it in good shape. There is a lot of good content on the page, but it is just poorly organized and needs a lot of clarification and cleaning. I also know the archives has some important ideas that can be included on the page. Some extra research need also be done, I'm working on it. Nice to meet you. --Kenneth M Burke 02:17, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

My answer is placed on Kenneth M Burke's reaction talk page. - Mdd 23:38, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

In responding to your comment on my user page, I thank you for your welcome. I also appreciate your professional courtesy to ask if I needed anything. I am fine and will do well to work on the systems theory page; in fact, I am happy to work on it. I've recently printed it to review my revisions and have a direction to take the article. I am sure that you will be pleased with the final outcome. Thanks, Ken --Kenneth M Burke 00:18, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

My answer is placed on Kenneth M Burke's talk page. - Mdd 10:20, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

I have been around, but am still new to the page and have worked on it simply in recognizing that it was in a sorry state before. I have not had any problems with the wikipedia administration. I know that there were questions over the gestalt image. I have gone through the archives to ensure that the all issues that users have addressed will be resolved in the best way possible. It seems that Tommy Mandel was involved in the renaming of the page to systems theory (really, I would have no issues over renaming the page to General Systems Theory). Tommy also had some issues with the gestalt image (which I commented on given all the disruption over the image). He secured copyright information for the use of the image. I will contact him if he would like to add it to the page. The page itself now is not perfect, but progressing.--Kenneth M Burke 00:04, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

My answer is placed on Kenneth M Burke's talk page. - Mdd 00:14, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

I am in St. Louis, not up to much except hoping to hear from potential employers. I met a Danish chemist seeming lost in a McDonald's when I lived in S. Korea , very nice gentleman and well rounded family man. If Mr. Mandel has any problems with the gestalt image, the relationship between gestalt and systems theory is complicated and I can explain. --Kenneth M Burke 00:31, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

The WikiProject Systems and the systems engineering article

It's my pleasure to review and comment on this article. Thanks for asking. I have added some thoughts to the talk page. Best of luck with the project. I'm going to be pretty busy over the next month or so and I don't know how much Wiki-time I will be spending. I look forward to your work. Truthanado 23:55, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

You've made a nice start at a list of Systems Engineers. If you go to the INCOSE web site and select About INCOSE / Hall of Leaders, you should be able to add to the list. The INCOSE site should also have other info that might be of use. Truthanado 04:00, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

My responce is placed on Truthanado's talk page.

Image:Termite Cathedral DSC03570.jpg‎ and other systems images

Hi, I saw you nominated this image for speedy deleting. The reason why I created this document was that because I'm working with the Wikipedia:WikiProject Systems to improve the quality of systems related articles. One of my actions is to stimulate the use of pictures in the about 300 (to 1000) related articles. One way to stimulate this is to draw attention to this pictures by getting them listed in the systems categories.

If this is against Wikipedia policies I would like to know... and off cause stop my intitaitves in this direction (and you can do some more work in the field of systems). So please tell me which official policy I offended? - Mdd 18:37, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure if there's an exact rule that deals with this issue. However, pictures that are on commons are usually not put in Wikipedia categories. You are more than welcome to add them to categories on commons, and then add {{commonscat}} to the main category to link it to the commons category (the same template works with articles). By this you'd be achieving the same purpose without mixing articles and commons pictures in the same galleries. Anyway, good luck with your work on WikiProject Systems. Yonatan ^talk 22:42, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

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Request for edit summary / article Geometric model

Please explain your edits, especially when you remove things. Thanks! Oleg Alexandrov (talk) 02:44, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Hello Alexandrov. Sorry for not specifically explain my edits. Yesterday I cleaned the scientific modeling (which I created) from about 50 articles and categories... We both know top-categories like this one needs a firm clean up once in a while, otherwise they get deleted themeselves. Now I took about an hour to make about some 70 edits, and I made little explainations. I'm willing though to explain all the moves in details if one askes. With cleaning such categories there are all kinds of reasons... sometimes even difficult to explain:

Now you referted my recategorisation from the article Geometric model from the scientific modeling to specifics models back to the scientific modeling with the reason:

• rv, this category is better

The recategorisation was an example of such a complex reasoning. It goes like this:

1. Within the scientific modeling a subcategory specifics models is created to contain all the articles about specific models in all kinds of fields, that can't be placed in the other subcategories of the scientific modeling and the subcategory of the [[:category|specifics models].
2. The scientific modeling is a kind of top category which should be rather strickly or exclusive. the two criteria I use are:
3. The article must be about modelling and not models, and should be named ...modelling in stead of ... model.
4. The one exception is for articles called ... model, that are about models in one broad line of sciences.
5. Now about the article Geometric model. That article itselve isn't conform the Wikipedia rules, that an article should have one subject. That article limbs on two leggs. Geometric modell and geometric modelling. Now the article is called geometric modell, a choice of the editors I respect, then the most logical place within the scientific modeling category structure is, the specifics models.

I can image however, that you find the name specifics models misleading. But this is an othter problem. I hope I have explained my actions in a way you can give respond to details you don't like. I look forward to your respons - Mdd 13:20, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Image question

Please see User_talk:Flex#.5B.5B:Image:NorbertWiener.jpg.5D.5D. --Flex (talk/contribs) 14:56, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Wikibreak

Sorry, I'm on wikibreak for at least a week due to personal circumstances. - Mdd 16:27, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Wikiproject Systems

It's a pleasure to meet you Mdd! Thank you for the warm welcome. Our integrated program did indeed start a Wikipedia page last year as our program (ISBT) was specifically mentioned on the WP page for our school, La Salle University. Our hope was to describe the program's framework in Systems Thinking (specifically GST), but it's place and purpose on WP became mixed up with the need to keep a single department's information on WP and it was removed. Around the same time, we had launched our own Mediawiki-based wiki for our program. It is located here if you are interested. Systems Thinking has worked extremely well for us in the design of our integrated program. I am excited to share our successes and learn from other Systems enthusiasts. --qswitch426 00:05, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Tom Mandel

He is banned from editing the article but not its talk page. If he is being disruptive on the talk page, he may be banned from there under his general probation. I'm rather busy to get involved, you can make a request at WP:AE or WP:ANI. Be sure to include a link to the case and note that you are asking for probation enforcement. Thatcher131 16:13, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Thank you very much, - Mdd 16:27, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Debora Hammond

Hi Mdd. You are off to such a great start on the article Debora Hammond that it may qualify to appear on Wikipedia's Main Page under the Did you know... section. Appearing on the Main Page may help bring publicity and assistance to the article. However, there is a five day from article creation window for Did you know... nominations. Before five days pass from the date the article was created and if you haven't already done so, please consider nominating the article to appear on the Main Page by posting a nomination at Did you know suggestions. If you do nominate the article for DYK, please cross out the article name on the "Good" articles proposed by bot list. Again, great job on the article. -- Jreferee ^(Talk) 18:31, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

Thank you very much for this feedback and the tips towards the Did you know.... I followed your leads and wonder what wil happen next. - Mdd 22:22, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

Now the (next) article is in the Did you know... section. I wonder if you can archive such a publication by using an Permanent link, for example with this. Does this work and keep working afterwards? - Mdd 17:56, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

No categorisation of users in the main categories

While not wanting to engage in verboten editorial activities, it is also true that I am a practicing and recognised researcher of cellular automata, and properly I belong in the list. The difficultly I think is that my name is my use ID. Also, it is not reasonable for another to modify my user page. A note on the discussion section of the user page is the gentile mechanism to express concern. Thank you for bringing the issue to my attention. Have you alternative suggestions? William R. Buckley 01:40, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for bringing this to my intention. First of all I agree, that it is not reasonable for another to modify other user page. But illegitimate ativities should be accepted as an expecetion. I didn't start a discussion about it because categorisation of users in the main categories is not done. It's not negoiable. I did explain and apologize in the summarry.

Now I don't doubt, that your a practicing and recognised researcher of cellular automata. The philosophy in Wikipedia remains, that if your notable enough, somebody else will right an article about you.

The thing your do allowed to do, is tell all about yourselve in the userpage space. For example in multiple user pages. - Mdd 19:00, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Did you know...

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July 16th, 2007 DYK

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Thanks for this message. I'm already getting used to this kind of templates. - Mdd 19:33, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Image:James_Brill.jpg

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Thanks for Wikifying Wayne Wymore's page

Dear Mdd, I built Wymore's page on his 80's birthday, but the strict policy of some wikipedians made me to give it up. after some time, i came back and saw everything is okay now there. It seems that it's you're work, and I thank you for that. we have a very good forum in INCOSE, why not join us there? Fereidunian 5 August 2007 20:36 (UTC)

Thanks, I'm very interested in what forum you refer to? - Mdd 19:30, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:Gregory Bateson.jpg

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Fair use rational is added - Mdd 13:58, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

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Thanks for your work on Gregory Bateson

Thanks for improving what I started on the Gregory Bateson page. Cybernetics and system scientist is much more appropriate too. Best ----Action potential ^{t c} 07:30, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for this feed back. - Mdd 10:55, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

I added a few more items to the list of what Bateson has "influenced". Could you have a look. Could you check it for me? ----Action potential ^{t c} 06:31, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

I haver taken a look at it and I think it's a good start. I however also think, that all the notable ideas and influences mentioned, should (eventually) be explained in the article itselve (for example in subchapters in the work-section I just created there). This is one of the way to further improve the article. Good luck with it. - Mdd 18:43, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I'll come back to that Bateson page as I learn more about him. I also added an infobox for the late Paul Watzlawick but I'm not sure if I've selected the correct infobox. I'll really appreciate it if you could adjust this one too. ----Action potential ^{t c} 12:53, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, but it took me some time to make up my mind. I'm not a big fan of infoboxes, especially in small(er) articles. The info you putt in there seems ok. The article itselve is still missing minor and mayor aspects. But I guess you allready knew that. - Mdd 00:26, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Odum quotes

Thanks for your note on my userpage. I saw your edits. You have done major work, and as you say there is yin and yang in what has been done. I think some of the quotes should be left in for effect. I'll leave it alone for now, however I would like to see some of the quotes in the text of the article because they are challenging, give a good representation of the man's thinking, and hence, should not be relegated to the footnotes. I agree that my previous referencing was over the top, but perhaps we can come to a mid-way point. Some quotes should definately stay in the text. Sholto Maud 02:21, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Re: comments on my user page - ok... :) Thanks for your wikification - I just haven't had the time to follow form. I'm just about to add a little more stuff also... Sholto Maud 11:10, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Ok, good luck - Mdd 11:24, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

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WP:LAYOUT

Please don' deviate from the standard layout. You just create a lot of work for other editor's to fix it, and because there is a standard to work to, you will always have to fight for your variation. It's not worth it. IPSOS (talk) 00:57, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

I agree that we have better things to do. I'm working in the field of systems and in a while I will bring about 100 to 500 articles up to one standard. So if you can help me with this I'll be very gratefull.

Now I've been looking at the WP:LAYOUT for some times. And I have read:

Standard appendices and descriptions

Certain optional standard sections should be added at the bottom of an article. There is consensus that the plural form of the section name should be used. Changing section names breaks links (hence the utility of permalinks), so it is best not to change already-established article section names. Common appendix sections:

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6. External links

Note:

• It is okay to change the sequence of these appendices, but the Notes and References sections should be next to each other. For example, you may put "Further reading" above "Notes and references" or vice versa.

Further discussion

In the last line I read It is okay to change the sequence of these appendices. That is what I am doing in the field of systems. ~I'm bringing all articles there up to one standard - Mdd 01:05, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Yup, but what you neglect is that everyone else is editing to the standard. It will never, ever stick. And I am the one putting it back to save you and everyone else a lot of stupid makework. Yes, you can change it. And I and anybody else can put it back. How many users are there on Wikipedia? And how much effort were you planning on putting into keeping it "your" way? Waste of time. IPSOS (talk) 01:12, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Maybe we can just take a little time to explain things. From what I've seen from you latest edits is, that all you want is

• to have the references before the list of literature.

Now as I told you already on your talk page. It seems also custum

• to name the "list of literature" - "Further reading"?

Am I correct? - Mdd 01:44, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Comment: I have been looking around some more, and got convinced that you are probably right. I do like to change things (myselve). And I do like to get your opinion about some other things... - Mdd 14:01, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Re Integrative Learning

Please stop vandalizing this site. If something isn't proper communicate it or fix. Plain deletion is vandalization and not acceptable. Thanks, indivoicenow —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.104.153.53 (talk) 00:48, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Before you start accusing me after making your first five edits, you should take the time to get to know how Wikipedia works. Sorry, all the edits you made so far (and the three new ones) needed correction. - Mdd 00:55, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

I appreciate your assistance and positive contribution, from what I can tell it looks really great now :) Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.104.153.53 (talk) 01:16, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

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"The following items are moved here from the Talk:Complex systems page after serveral hints, because they don't relate to article."

I'm not really sure that all of the moved stuff does not relate to the article, but agree that it is hard to separate own thoughts from agreed upon ones. Anyway, question remains.

From my heart, Damir Ibrisimovic 19:12, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Jay Wright Forrester minor and mayor edits

Hi—I noticed a lot of your recent edits to this article that were marked minor, but really were not. Please reserve that checkbox for truly minor things like spelling correction, etc. Otherwise it looks like you're trying to hide something. —johndburger 23:59, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for bringing this to my intention. I guess you refer to 2 of the 6 edits I made there. I've got nothing to hide, never thought of it that way. I've taken a look a minor. And now I guess I have to call much less of my edits minor. - Mdd 09:43, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject Cybernetics and a Cybernetics Portal

Hi Mdd, I have posted your suggestion to CYBCOM and some consensus may emerge in due course. Comments etc could be posted here. Best --Nick Green 01:54, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Fibernetics and Scriptnetics

What's going on here. I know of no primary references and it looks like a joke to me.--Nick Green 21:16, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, I took some action - Mdd 23:21, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

I nominated for deletion; (less than 100% obvious to everybody) hoaxes aren't technically speedy candidates. Feel free to chime in there. Carlossuarez46 00:18, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Question

How were you able to make the link between User:Mdd and User:Mdd/New Cybernetics ? -- Iterator12n ^Talk 00:44, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

I don't exactly understand your question? Do you want to know, how I made created the User:Mdd/New Cybernetics page? The answer is like all other sub-userpages, which is like creating an archive in an articls talkpage. Now there are several ways:

• The first is to start a search, for example, I start search for "User:Mdd/Example". If you push go the editor automatically asks you, if you want to create this page. Say yes an up you can go.
• An other way is to write down the term User:Mdd/Example temporary i.e. on your userpage, click on the term and the editor again asks you.
• You can also just go to your userpage, and add /Example to the internetadress. For example http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mdd/Example, and then click on it.

I hope this answers your question. - Mdd 10:08, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. Yes, that's what I asked for. -- Iterator12n ^Talk 14:05, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

Modelling (psychology)

Please remove the notability tag from Modelling (psychology) forthwith, based on the discussion in that article's talk page. DCDuring 05:00, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, I responded at Talk:Modelling (psychology). - Mdd 12:23, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

Systems

Marcel: Well done on all your recent systems updates including reorganization and the systems science portal. I've made a few additions, especially including articles that seem relevant when I come across them. Let me know if you need help copy-editing any particular page. Keep up the good work. Best wishes, Jonathan Bowen 05:37, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, I just made a start with those. There is still a lot of work to be done. I will keep you informed through the WikiProject announcements, but if I need some specific help I let you know, thanks. I recently read the articles about three generation of Bowens. Nice work. - Mdd 12:22, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

Russell L. Ackoff

Hi Mdd,

Thanks for your great work on the Ackoff page! Thanks for correcting my error on the date. I noticed it was out of chronological order and was about to move it to the 2005 position when I incorrectly thought it was a 2007 talk, modified and kept it where it was. Sorry to cause extra work! --qswitch426 12:01, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, you are early. I made some progress on the Ackoff page. This page is special to me because it was the first page I ever started in 2004 on the English Wikipedia. I recently started upgrading this article. But I think more work can be done. If you have any idea's please let me know.

You don't have to apologize for making a misjudgement. I appreciate you checked the article. By making that edit, you forced me to find a good source, and now the article is improved a little once more. So I'm happy. - Mdd 12:18, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

System equivalence

Hi Mdd, I am new at editing and revising Wiki I saw that you helped me with one of my links and was hoping that you would comment on my article with any suggestions that you might have for additions, formatting, or really any tips that you have about my article. The article was “system equivalence”.

Thanks a head of time - Smee44 02:07, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

I wikified the article some more, and with this I created space for the further development of the article. The article can use for example some more introduction and info on how and where this concept is applied. All Articles also needs to be references. Some tips:

1. Look at "System equivalence" in Google BETA and you find dozends of books were the concept is explained some more (or less)
2. Look in comparable articles in Wikipedia, how they are build.

And maybe most important, find out what you want to say about this concept yourselve and try to write this down. Good luck - Mdd 13:09, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

Accreditation

FYI: I have posted a question at Talk:Accreditation regarding the image that you added to the subject article. Please comment there. --Orlady 03:21, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject Systems

Thanks. Will contribute, time permitting. -- Iterator12n ^Talk 21:04, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

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Spelling and grammar

I just fixed a couple of spelling errors ("untill"->"until"). Also, you might want to work on the last paragraph ("Since 1994..."), a couple of the sentences are grammatically incorrect or ambiguous - let me know if you'd like any assistance from someone whose native tongue is English. Ravaet 04:36, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, I hope I improved it a little. - Mdd 00:24, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Engineering Learning Wiki

Earlier, I saw that in at least one case you too removed an article's link to Engineering Learning Wiki. Since then, I have been in a discussion with the sponsor of this wiki and have come to the preliminary conclusion that Wikipedia articles linking to ELW would be appropriate. Would appreciate your second opinion. Thanks. -- Iterator12n ^Talk 03:36, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Re: User talk:Oshainemichaels

Hi, on User talk:Oshainemichaels I noticed you blocked this user for 72 hours. Now four days later I cought this editor making copyright violantions as I stated on his talkpage. Maybe you can taka a look at this and take some appropriate action. Thanks. - Mdd 23:44, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Seeing as he stopped after your warning, I don't see any need to act. But let me know if he continues. Owen× ☎ 12:27, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Government spending

Hi Mdd! Just done a piece on United Kingdom budget a slight but inevitable cybernetic perspective. Any thoughts welcome, involvement of systems community etc. [See also discussion] --Nick Green 03:58, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Hi Nick. I wikified the article a little. Sorry I didn't get started on the Gordon Pask article. I am rather stuck on the Dutch Wikipedia with some articles. - Mdd 13:27, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks Mdd, indeed still much to do.--Nick Green 16:15, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

W. Brian Arthur

I received your comments about the edits I have been making. Thank you for your comments and concerns. The communication process here is not very straight forward so I am not sure if/when you will receive this note.

I am new to the Wikipedia process and do not want cause any issues. My edits are intended to add value, not detract from value. I have been making a number of edits to improve the grammatical and content value related to Brian Arthur's works. He has written a number of papers important to business, scientific, and economic topics.

I met with Brian Arthur over the weekend when he was at the Santa Fe Institute to get confirmation of the information listed on this/his page. I expect to make some further edits, but will stop after these further edits are done.

I have received two automated responses from the Wikipedia bots, both of which I worked to correct. I was given permission to use the photo of W. Brian Arthur by Brian Arthur. I don't know how to complete the Wikipedia usage process to ensure complete authorization.

Please respond to me with your thoughts/advice. —Preceding unsigned comment added by RandyBurge (talk • contribs) 23:59, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

I will answer you on your talk page - Mdd (talk) 00:02, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Cybernetics

Out of curiosity, why didn't you simply copy the paragraph? I wasn't sure what you were trying to accomplish with your wording changes so I reverted it. --NeilN ^{talk ♦ contribs} 18:16, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

At that moment I wasn't aware of the possibility to add the two sentences together to make the introduction more complete. I was still to busy trying to find the idea I wanted to express. Often with those first sentences I find it very difficult to compose just the three right sentences. I took a second look at the sentence you referted and I now think your right. Thanks. -- Mdd (talk) 19:27, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

System requirements (Spacecraft system)

Great job on rescuing this article per WP:HEY. Bearian 18:00, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, I copied the discussion about this to Talk:System requirements (Spacecraft system)- Mdd 19:05, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

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