User talk:Megalibrarygirl/Archives/2018/February

Collaboration?

If you are interested, I'm working on a piece here that I see as both being a good anchor article and a needed discussion of the topic. (Besides being a potent ground for developing new links for Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/Indigenous Women) Maybe at this point too heavily weighted on New, and I'm willing to pare that down, but I also want to expand it to include Canada and Latin America if we can find sources to do that. The dates at present are totally arbitrary, just to give me some break-up space. SusunW (talk) 22:47, 9 January 2018 (UTC)

Yes yes yes, SusunW! I'm in! Megalibrarygirl (talk) 23:59, 9 January 2018 (UTC)

Yay! Thanks. It may well take us all month, but I thought I'd start and see where it goes. SusunW (talk) 00:02, 10 January 2018 (UTC)

No worries, I like this idea because I really am not a fashion person and couldn't motivate myself to get into it, SusunW Megalibrarygirl (talk) 00:45, 10 January 2018 (UTC)

DoctorWho42 or anyone else, if you are interested in working on the draft with us, just pop in. SusunW (talk) 15:22, 10 January 2018 (UTC)

• This looks very interesting and SusunW has already made a good start. I may be butting in too soon, but I was wondering whether it would be possible to include something on clothing designed by different communities (or tribes) of native Americans. For a start, there seem to be a number of women developing fashionable Inuit clothing, for example by making use of sealskin: [1], [2], [3], [4]. I see Navajo fashions are also on offer: [5], [6], [7]. There's also quite a bit on Cree fashions: [8], [9]. There must be others. Let me know if you need any help on anything specific.--Ipigott (talk) 12:56, 11 January 2018 (UTC)

Please feel free Ian. I am excited to have you join in! Besides, you can probably help me pare down the parts about New. I wanted to lay the basis for the cross-over from traditional clothing into fashion, but I think it's a bit heavy with info on him. I also thought I should probably shift some of it to his article, but haven't gone there to even look yet, as I'm just trying to lay in the bones. SusunW (talk) 13:38, 11 January 2018 (UTC)

I think I'll wait a bit an see how the article develops. It'll then be easier to see how to add to it.--Ipigott (talk) 13:46, 11 January 2018 (UTC)

Sorry to butt in, but would it be of any help for me to find sources for this draft/article? I came to post the message that you see below and got very interested in this effort. I have access to the University of Pittsburgh Library System and may be able to locate information that is needed to support content. If you would rather not have me involved, I'm okay with that, too. Best Regards, Barbara (WVS) ✐  ✉ 10:25, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

Barbara (WVS) yes, yes, yes and yes. Sourcing for me is the key to article development. Hop in anywhere you want ;) SusunW (talk) 17:58, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

OMG! Thank you, thank you, thank you Megalibrarygirl for the photo of Ortiz. I am amazed at how few images of works or designers I can find that we can use. My guess is that there are some, but I am so inept at finding them. SusunW (talk) 20:48, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

There are a few more, SusunW. I've been finding them on flickr. :) Megalibrarygirl (talk) 00:52, 16 January 2018 (UTC)

You're much better at it than me. We just need to be sure they are on the high fashion plane, rather than the traditional plane. I love the one of Jeri Ah-be-hill because it shows her stylish contemporary wear next to a traditional garment. SusunW (talk) 01:11, 16 January 2018 (UTC)

Ipigott Do you want to work in your links? I think we're moving along pretty well and I am adding the redlinks to the Indigneous Women list for August too. SusunW (talk) 18:46, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

I'll see what I can do in the next day or two. At the moment, I seem to be working on too many things at once. Maybe you would like to work some of the links in yourself. You have a better idea of how the article should be structured.--Ipigott (talk) 11:49, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

• SusunW and MLG: You've both been doing a great job on this article. Now that I've been through it for copy-editing, it really looks to me as if it deserves to be in the mainspace. It contains such a lot of useful information for those interested in fashion. That does not mean you cannot add to it. I have a feeling there are other important developments in Latin American which deserve attention but I cannot quote specific examples. Searches in Spanish and Portuguese may be revealing. Well done!--Ipigott (talk) 15:15, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

Thanks Ipigott I'll move it today. I think there are more developments in Latin America too. I found an article from Paraguay, for example, that lists firm names, but no designer names. I couldn't find any specific designers, but my hope is that others will be inspired by what we have started and add to the information. I think it is an important niche anchor that will expand over time. SusunW (talk) 15:24, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

SusunW: There are quite a few interesting names in [10] for a start.--Ipigott (talk) 15:36, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

But therein lies my problem, evaluating each name, none appear to identify as an indigenous designer. They use indigenous themes, but that doesn't make them fit the article, unless they identify themselves as belonging to an indigenous community. There is still a lot of stigma in many Latin American countries associated with an indigenous identity, so while they may have the heritage, it may not be disclosed. To remain within the topic definition unless an affiliation with a specific heritage is stated, I think we have to exclude them as part of this narrow field. Certainly they could and should go on the broader list of fashion designers. SusunW (talk) 16:03, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

@Ipigott: it may be useful to cross-check the names with indigenous heritage if they have revealed it. I'm not as familiar with indigenous groups in the South, but Mayan is pretty prevalent. Megalibrarygirl (talk) 19:30, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

You are both quite right about these women: they are not native South Americans and many have been involved in plagiarism cases. Unfortunately, most of the "authentic fashions" from the Latin American countries seem to have been developed and marketed by non-native inhabitants. I see, nevertheless, that the native Alicia Guazorna from Colombia produces indigenous clothing but as far as I can see, it is not "fashion". But she's not sufficiently notable for Wikipedia.--Ipigott (talk) 13:49, 20 January 2018 (UTC)

So...I have been working up a few of the redlinks in the article, mainly focusing on those who might have weak indigenous claims (saving the others for August). I started searching about a non-indigenous designer who inspired Margaret Roach Wheeler and am totally hooked. User:SusunW/Marjorie Schick's stuff is amazing—more like sculpture than jewelry! Most of what I have found are paywalled in EBSCO (which I know you can access too), but I want pictures soooo bad. I think we could easily get a GA out of her. Her interview for the Smithsonian is amazing. I just barely started, but put in a bunch of sourcing from my search. You or anyone else interested? SusunW (talk) 00:31, 24 January 2018 (UTC)

@SusunW: I'm totally game. I'll see what I can dig up in EBSCOhost and for pics, too. BTW, the article Dress needs work and if you have any sources that would be good to add over there please do. :) Megalibrarygirl (talk) 00:41, 24 January 2018 (UTC)

I don't know if you can access the links I listed in references, EBSCO links always seem to go dead for me in a few minutes after I do a search, but once I open a doc I am good. I only searched them, and got tied up in the amazing photos. I didn't actually read them yet :) Her jewelry is fantastical, total fantasy, I could never wear it, but am intrigued. Will be off for the rest of the night, but back on her tomorrow. SusunW (talk) 01:14, 24 January 2018 (UTC)

I put in all the sourcing I could find. There is soooo much more that could be written, but I think there is a fair representation of her body of work that has been included. Want photos so bad. I wonder if one can load jewelry as fair use? That Tool Belt and Scarf for Sonia Delaunay here p=6 gives a visual which the words in the article are impossible to describe fully. Ipigott any chance you could give Marjorie Schick a copyedit and your input on whether you think it is ready for GA. SusunW (talk) 21:17, 27 January 2018 (UTC)

• SusunW and MLG: Hello! I was reading over the NA fashion article...fantastic job! I am wondering if/where there could be mention of ponchos. Did either of you see much mention of them in your research? I also found this interesting source about Maya weaving [11] that may have info relevant to this article. Cheers! Thsmi002 (talk) 02:17, 1 February 2018 (UTC)

Thsmi002 Wow! The piece on Maya weaving is fascinating. I think it would be better placed in a section in Native American weaving, as it is speaking about the particular skill with the craft. There is no article on traditional clothing of Native peoples in the Americas—typically those are discussed in regional or tribal articles. The fashion article is specifically addressing only that segment of high fashion produced by indigenous people, not their traditional clothing styles or crafts. If you found an indigenous designer who is producing ponchos as a high fashion product, then it definitely could be included. I am not much of a fashionista, I must admit. My only experience with ponchos (and at the same time in the US gaucho pants were popular) as a fashion item was in the 1970s in the US, but they were being made by non-native designers, which would not fit the scope of the article. SusunW (talk) 04:04, 1 February 2018 (UTC)

I think you're right! I added it into the textiles page. Thanks for pointing me in that direction! Thsmi002 (talk) 01:36, 2 February 2018 (UTC)

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Appoorva Muralinath.

Can you try to remove the period from the end of Appoorva Muralinath.. I tried to move it but was unable. Btw, if you have time, you can check through the editathon pages for February. Thanks.--Ipigott (talk) 16:07, 22 January 2018 (UTC)

Got it, Ipigott Megalibrarygirl (talk) 18:10, 23 January 2018 (UTC)

Hi Sue! If you're not too busy today, perhaps you could find time to send out the WiR invitations for February. Time is flying by and some of the participants may want to start sooner rather than later.--Ipigott (talk) 15:49, 27 January 2018 (UTC)

Sorry I missed this, Ipigott. Last few weeks were kind of tough in real life and then this weekend it was my daughter's birthday. Thanks for getting the invites together and sending them out. Megalibrarygirl (talk) 19:05, 29 January 2018 (UTC)

Don't worry about it. I could easily have done it myself too if Rosie hadn't been able to handle it so efficiently. Today I'll also forward the invitation to some of those specializing in mathematics. Anyway, I hope your daughter's birthday went off well. You certainly have the right priorities, putting family ahead of Wikipedia.--Ipigott (talk) 10:07, 30 January 2018 (UTC)

Thanks, Ipigott she had a good birthday and it was nice to celebrate after the tough couple of weeks we'd all had. We had lots of ice cream and cake. :) Megalibrarygirl (talk) 19:13, 30 January 2018 (UTC)

Shame that birthdays in January mean it's not a nice climate to go to Brighton Palace Pier or Southend Adventure Island, though that kind of presumes how old your kids are, I guess. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 16:02, 11 February 2018 (UTC)

...and presumably also on whether or not they reside in or around Cleveland :p :D >SerialNumber54129^{...speculates} 16:33, 11 February 2018 (UTC)

Fannie Lou Hamer

		The Detective Barnstar
		For your work in finding sources just in time for a great GA to pass (a great addition during Black History Month as well), I award you this barnstar. — Coffee // have a ☕️ // beans // 03:26, 14 February 2018 (UTC)

@Coffee: Thank you! :) Megalibrarygirl (talk) 18:43, 14 February 2018 (UTC)

Fredericka Douglass Sprague Perry - research request.

Hi Megalibrarygirl, Would you be able to obtain a copy of Black Women and American Social Welfare: The Life of Fredericka Douglass Sprague Perry? I am also hoping to find an obituary Mrs. John E. Perry (death). (1943, October 25). Kansas City Times. I am working on an article for the editathon. Thanks for any help you can provide. WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 17:33, 14 February 2018 (UTC)

Page stalker here WomenArtistUpdates I can't find either of those, but she was born in August 1872 line 62, line 19 Here's an obit from the Pittsburgh Courier [12] and another article about her from the same paper [13]. Hope this helps. SusunW (talk) 00:05, 15 February 2018 (UTC)

ThanksSusunW!The obit gives me a place of birth and death. Megalibrarygirl got me Black Women and American Social Welfare, which was very helpful.WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 01:21, 15 February 2018 (UTC)

Information storage/Data storage

Hi Megalibrarygirl

Would you be able to apply some of your professional expertise to Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2018 February 15#Category:Information_storage?

It may be straightforward, but I thought it would benefit from the wisdom of a professional librarian.

I would particularly value your input because we have disagreed on everything (or nearly everything) we discussed so far, so I know you would give an honest impartial assessment. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 00:48, 15 February 2018 (UTC)

Flattery will get you everywhere, BrownHairedGirl. I'll take a look. :) Megalibrarygirl (talk) 19:09, 15 February 2018 (UTC)

Your editathon on March 16

Hi Sue. I've been sending invitations like the one below to all those organizing editathons on A&F in March. So here it is for you too:

Your March editathon

As you are arranging an editathon on March 16, you might be interested in Women in Red's plans for Women's History Month. We have also developed Ten Simple Rules for new editors interested in creating biographies, which might be useful.

		Welcome to Women in Red's March 2018 worldwide online editathons. New: "Women's History Month" Continuing: #1day1woman Global Initiative
		(To subscribe: Women in Red/English language mailing list and Women in Red/international list. Unsubscribe: Women in Red/Opt-out list)

--Ipigott (talk) 08:40, 16 February 2018 (UTC)

Thanks, Ipigott! Megalibrarygirl (talk) 17:21, 17 February 2018 (UTC)

Just noticed there is an interesting red-link list on glass artists on Wikipedia:Meetup/Corning/Corning ArtAndFeminism 2018. Is it worth including somewhere in our lists?--Ipigott (talk) 17:26, 17 February 2018 (UTC)

I'd say yes, Ipigott. And one thing that reminds me of is that there is sort of a split between "art" and "craft" in the fine arts world. It might be a good idea to create a redlist of Women in Craft or something like it. Glass, ceramic and fiber artists would be included. I'll start the list right now. :) Megalibrarygirl (talk) 17:29, 17 February 2018 (UTC)

That sounds good. Maybe Women in Crafts.--Ipigott (talk) 17:33, 17 February 2018 (UTC)

Women's History Month 2018 at Women in Red

		Welcome to Women in Red's March 2018 worldwide online editathons. Historically, our March event has been one of the biggest offerings of the year. This year, we are collaborating with two other wiki communities. Our article campaign is the official on-line/virtual node for Art+Feminism. Our image campaign supports the Whose Knowledge? initiative. Women's History Month 2018 Continuing: #1day1woman Global Initiative
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Discussion at User talk: Diannaa#How to identify PD sources?

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