Melisa Hoffman

Speedy deletion nomination of Sir Noah A Waters III, 32° F. & A.M.

Hello Melisa Hoffman,

I wanted to let you know that I just tagged Sir Noah A Waters III, 32° F. & A.M. for deletion, because the article doesn't clearly say why the subject is important enough to be included in an encyclopedia.

If you feel that the article shouldn't be deleted and want more time to work on it, you can contest this deletion, but please don't remove the speedy deletion tag from the top.

You can leave a note on my talk page if you have questions. ubiquity (talk) 15:41, 21 November 2014 (UTC)

Noah Waters and other things

Hi, Melisa. On Wikipedia, notability is established through references from independent and reliable sources. Please see WP:Notability, particularly the general notability guideline (GNG). I looked at all the references on your page, and they are mostly pages that Mr Waters has created himself (for example, facebook, directory entries, and so on), so are not independent. I found Mr Waters as the director of some short films on IMDB, but this is usually not considered a reliable source. You say he is "very important to the entertainment industry", but I have not been able to find much about him, except from material he has created himself. Can you find some newspaper or magazine articles about him? These would be valid references.

The article itself is full of what seems like puffery -- things that are intended to make the subject seem more important than they actually are. I myself have written and directed for the stage, appeared in films and on national television, had my articles published in various journals, but none of this makes me notable enough for Wikipedia unless I can show that someone else has noticed. Newspaper and magazine reviews are a good start for someone on the arts, can you find any?

Anyone can start their own company and call themselves the CEO, but if the company itself is not notable, this doesn't make the owner notable. You list a number of titles such as "22° Knight of the Royal Axe, 25° Knight of the Brazen Serpent, 27° Knight of the Sun" etc. It doesn't seem very credible that a person as young as Mr White would be able to attain all these ranks unless they are self-given, or made up. But again, if you have some external documentation, that would speak to notability.

If you want the article to survive, find some references that establish Mr White's notability and stick to what they say. I will probably re-tag the article, but if you DO find references that establish notability, it won't get removed. If it DOES get removed, you can always re-create it once you have found some references.

By the way, you should not remove speedy deletion notices from articles you've created yourself. And you should sign your notes on talk pages by typing 4 ~ signs (~ ~ ~ ~, but without the spaces). Please let me know if I can help further. ubiquity (talk) 16:23, 21 November 2014 (UTC)

On further investigation, I see that the masonic titles are some of the highest they have to offer, which makes me seriously suspect someone is putting someone on. ubiquity (talk) 16:31, 21 November 2014 (UTC)

Deletion discussion about Sir Noah A Waters III, 32° F. & A.M.

Hello, Melisa Hoffman,

I wanted to let you know that there's a discussion about whether Sir Noah A Waters III, 32° F. & A.M. should be deleted. Your comments are welcome at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sir Noah A Waters III, 32° F. & A.M. .

If you're new to the process, articles for deletion is a group discussion (not a vote!) that usually lasts seven days. If you need it, there is a guide on how to contribute. Last but not least, you are highly encouraged to continue improving the article; just be sure not to remove the tag about the deletion nomination from the top.

Thanks, ubiquity (talk) 16:35, 21 November 2014 (UTC)