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Help Me | Inter-communications, Watchlist filtering

{{helpme}} I have a question about inter-communication between users here at WP. When taking part in a article talk pages, is there a way to 'watch' only the specific sections I'm active in? I ask because I've noticed that some talk pages are very long and see many edits daily, and once I start participating in many discussions simultaneously I can see my watchlist getting flooded.

Also have a related question that has to do with user talk pages. When someone makes a comment on my talk-page, how do I go about responding to that? If I reply on my talk page, that person won't be notified of the reply unless they've explicitly set 'watch' on my page, correct? I don't imagine many users would watch another users talk page after making a quick comment though. Would it be more appropriate to make a copy of their comment on their talk page and respond there (if a reply is necessary)? --MiloKral (talk) 12:24, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

For your first question, I do not believe that there is a way to watch a particular section, only a particular page. (Unless you specify otherwise, only the most recent edit to the page will show in your watchlist.)

For your second question, it depends from user to user. You can use the {{Usertalkback}} template to let your intentions be known. Some users (including me) prefer to keep discussions in one place and thus respond on their talkpage, while others respond on the poster's talkpage with a header indicating that the post is a reply. Still others use the first method and post {{Talkback}} on the other user's page. It's all up to you. Xenon54 (talk) 12:36, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Help Me | Turning off watching of my talk page

{{help me}} If I stop 'watching' my own talk page, will that also disable the "you have a message" frames from displaying on all pages until I read a new message? --MiloKral (talk) 14:39, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

The "you have a new message" boxes are independent of your watchlist, and I don't believe there is a way to get rid of them. Xenon54 (talk) 15:29, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Help Me | Use of external images and how to deal with them

{{helpme}}I'm not sure how to deal with external image links in articles. My questions refer to the article on Shahrood. Take a quick peek at the wiki code and you'll notice the two attempted galleries at the bottom of the History and Attractions sections. Both of which try to link to an external image host rather then content upload to wikimedia commons, so they don't work. My first instinct was to comment out the gallery sections and leave a quick note for the editor with a link to Help:Images and other uploaded files and the suggestion that they can work on edits in their user sandbox and merge once done, so they don't leave a live article messy like they did here. If I had the time I might take a look at images on the external hosts and upload them to the commons myself and fix the code (depending on the CP policy that the image is under). But that brings up another question; How do I know what CP policy is in place for these pictures? I looked at imagehosting.gr and their general terms of use section and it just says any content cannot be used without owners permission. What CP Policy does this fall under? In any case, it seems that it would be illegal for me to snag those images and upload them to the commons myself, for use in the above article; right? A third option I considered was removing the links from the live article and moving them to the talk page so they are not lost, with a note similar to the one I would have made in my wiki code comment. Please advise what the common course of actions is for this case and cases like these. I am new here as a contrib, so any tips or advice are most welcome. --MiloKral (talk) 20:21, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Hi, sorry I can't help with images very much, but I would advise removing the images from the article and letting the user that put them there know about Wikipedia's image policy. Don't worry about copying the links from the article, though. All revisions are saved under the "history" tab at the top of the article. If you compare revisions on the article's history page, it will show that changes that have been made to the article, therefore meaning that the links are not "lost" but are saved in the article's history. I'll leave the the {{helpme}} template up for the moment in the hope that other editors can give more advice on images and copyright violations. I'd like to point you again in the direction of Wikipedia's image use policy which should clear up any confusion there. Hope I helped! Jozal ^(talk) 21:42, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks Jozal. I took the liberty of removing the <gallery> code with a summary pointing to help links. I would still like some more detailed answers to my questions above, so I'm leaving the helpme tag up for now. --MiloKral (talk) 22:05, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

That's fine, I encourage leaving the tag up. I'm sure someone will come along with more specific advice on images. Jozal ^(talk) 22:14, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Hiya! This is complicated, so I'll give you the rules of thumb.

You can upload images you created yourself, and images you can prove are in the public domain, to Wikimedia Commons. Those will show up on Wikipedia properly.

You can also upload images under Fair Use onto Wikipedia itself, but, don't, unless the image could not be replaced with a free one of the same subject, and it's of major encyclopaedic value.

I recommend leaving images alone until you're quite experienced, because they can be problematic in all sorts of ways and they can create lots of unnecessary drama.

Links to an external image host should be commented out or removed.—S Marshall ^Talk/_Cont 23:28, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Pleasant Point, New Zealand

I am rather surprised that you said that the information does not appear dubious. Perhaps you didn't read it very carefully. Look at the first paragraph, about the railway bridge. There are some warning flags in this paragraph - the cost, of $14 billion, is ridiculous for the New Zealand scale of construction, but it takes some local knowledge to realise that (and you probably don't know even approximately what the NZ dollar is worth). That the plans call for nuclear fueled hovercraft is also fairly obviously ridiculous, although the paragraph does distance itself from this a little. However, New Zealand is a nuclear free country, and such a plan, even if technologically possible, would never be acceptable here. Again, you need some local knowledge.

In the second section you restored, about the ferris wheel, do you really think that other than in programs like "The Simpsons" the mayor can declare "the event and all evidence of the construction be stricken from the record books"? Incidentally, small towns in New Zealand do not have mayors. Just above that there is the accusation that a local artist was involved in a rape and murder. Such accusations do not get tagged with {{fact}}, they are removed under the WP:BLP policy.

Your restoration of this material is a serious mistake on your part, as the material is obnoxious vandalism.-gadfium 20:31, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

I apologize. I had only read the first couple sentences of the paragraphs in question, which did not seem like vandalism at first glance. Had I taken the time to read it in entirety, I would have noticed the absurd claims of the 36-lane triple-deck bridge and Ferris wheel accident, and left your reverts alone. Alas, it was late and I was tired; I planned on revisiting the article today to try and find citations for the information in question. Again, I apologize and I'll be sure to be more careful in the future. I am a new contrib here still learning the ropes, and as such I appreciate you being civil about this and taking the time to politely explain. --MiloKral (talk) 22:50, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the apology. Also, thanks for all your work here.-gadfium 23:20, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

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