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order of precedence

Hi - I have removed the order of precedence boxes on senators' pages. I assume that you know what "order of precedence" actually means - ceremonial protocol only. But the problem is that it's not clear if most readers know what it means. By using the words "preceded by" and "succeeded by" there is an implication that it is describing succession, as in succession to the presidency in the event of a catastrophe, not precedence which means who sits where at an official dinner, etc. I don't think it's immediately apparent to readers less-informed about such matters that this is strictly a matter of symbolic protocol - only by reading the page for order of precedence does that become clear, and there's no reason to assume that people will click on that link to find out. So as it is now, it would seem best to not have a potentially confusing box on individual senators' pages. This is being discussed on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject U.S. Congress#Succession boxes: Order of precedence, fyi. If you really think order of precedence is important for senators' articles, then why not work it into the text - maybe in a miscellany-type section. But I and others think this box, as it is, is misleading to the average reader, especially in the US where "succession" is pretty well understood, but "precedence" is not really. Glad to talk about it, of course. Tvoz | talk 22:50, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

It's nothing major. I noticed that some more senior senators had the order of precedence in their succession box, so I added it to the freshman and other new senators. I don't think it was that important, just trying to get some uniformity among the current senators.ModRocker86 22:57, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

OK, great - I'm all for uniformity otherwise! Tvoz | talk 23:00, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

I read this discourse a few months back and it hasn;t set right with me. There are still several order of precedence boxes on pages for Presidents, Cabinet Secretaries, etc. I do not beleive Succession boxes have to necessarily by limited to chronologically held positions. I beleive we need to have all or none here at wikipedia. The only question is which one I would take. I'm leaning toward "ALL" : putting the order of precedence succession boxes back on the senators pages.--Dr who1975 20:21, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Schweiker was a Republican

Thank you for correcting the info for Richard Schweiker on the page United States Senators by seniority (1979, 1980). I have made sure to correct the data on the other Senate seniroity pages too.--Dr who1975 20:05, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

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Gerald Ford's succession box

Greetings. I could not help noticing that you have re-added the information about the home states of the House Minority Leaders (and possibly the House Republican Conference Chairmen) to Gerald Ford's succession box, and I should like to ask why exactly. You see, I had removed it because it was completely redundant; the leadership not being rotating, the state is immaterial and its mentioning can have the reader draw erroneous conclusions about the importance of the state. I simply wonder if there is any other reason for adding this particular piece of information back into the box other than the "the more information the better" principle. Thank you for your time. Waltham, The Duke of 00:27, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

I added the states because many other House and Senate leadership members have the states of their predecessors/successors in their succession box. I am all for standardization so I added that to the Ford box. I see, however, that you are part of a standardization project and I shall yield to you and your groups new standard and will assist you in your endeavour if necessary. I have no idea who started the practice of adding states in succession boxes (and those who also insist on adding party affiliation as well). ThanksModRocker86 20:14, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

I believe that states (or countries) should be added under a predecessor/successor's name only in cases of rotating presidencies, and I shall attempt to move things towards this direction and remove the states from the leadership succession lines (or have them removed). As you can see by looking at the later United States Presidents' boxes (which I have all edited), I have added the countries for the G8 presidency and have adopted a specific format for doing so (small italicised linked names).

Your help will be much appreciated, I can assure you. If you find succession boxes interesting enough, you might even register yourself as a member of SBS; we do need helping hands, being in a constant lack of contributors. Voicing your opinion for the matters currently discussed in the talk page would be a good start, anyway.

Thank you for your understanding. Waltham, The Duke of 07:59, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

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Losing standardized boxes?

You've been eliminating the use of {{USRepSuccessionBox}} and {{U.S. Senator box}}. Why? —Markles 13:59, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

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