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@Emass100:, Joe_Roe, Zawl, Malcolmxl5, It wasn't "safe." I tried to bring up the article today using Wikilinks in the Special Election article and disambiguation pages, and when I found it didn't exist, I wrote an Article about Thompson. When I tried to rename it, I removed those links and discovered that it had actually been deleted and I couldn't make the required move. Users Emass100, Zawl, Malcolmxl5 and Joe_Roe were all very helpful in its timely restoration, and I'll be working on it to bring it up to snuff this weekend. I'm in the middle of making some updates to the Umpqua shooting article, and will get to the Thompson later today. Thanks for all your efforts to keep this important article on Wikipedia, in particular since Thompson has filed to run again in next year's KS-CD4 election, presumably against Estes. Activist (talk) 16:32, 23 September 2017 (UTC)

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Famousbirthdays.com as a source

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I don't disagree. It didn't know it was so unreliable. Thank you. Emass100 (talk) 21:39, 23 May 2018 (UTC)

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Graham Fraser

I have reverted your move as there are only two articles with this name, and the original page is currently the primary topic with far too many incoming links etc. There's no need for a disambiguation page now, and I've changed the hatnote to directly take one to the other article instead of going through the dab. cheers. —SpacemanSpiff 07:43, 6 April 2018 (UTC)

I agree, it's better without the move. Emass100 (talk) 21:37, 23 May 2018 (UTC)

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California Democratic Party chair

Regarding the "Disputed section" tag you put on California Democratic Party, I have answered in the Talk. Is your concern addressed? Because of my potential COI, I'd rather that you remove the tag yourself. It could also be good to add "Alex Gallardo-Rooker (acting, 2018-present)". She is already listed in the info box.RichardMathews (talk) 00:58, 12 January 2019 (UTC)

Thank you for the info, I removed the tag. Emass100 (talk) 02:30, 12 January 2019 (UTC)

Thanks.RichardMathews (talk) 01:04, 13 January 2019 (UTC)

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@Britishfinance:Thank you, carry on page-patrolling!Emass100 (talk) 23:39, 14 January 2019 (UTC)

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@Liz: Delete it it's fine.Emass100 (talk) 19:43, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

If you would like to restore it and continue work on it, just go to WP:REFUND/G13. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 21:56, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

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Hello. Help copy edit. Thanks you. Vomli (talk) 07:47, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

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Sorry, I didn't know about this. Mottezen (talk) 02:48, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

Pls give me a second

I am trying to move the page history. Pls stand down. --Moxy 🍁 22:15, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

Alright, I'll stop what i'm doing and let you do it. Mottezen (talk) 22:17, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

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Climate Change in Canada

Je suis beaucoup moins actif ces jours-ci. Ne vous gênez pas pour mettre à jour la carte. Merci. Bouchecl (talk) 10:02, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

Leon "Leonidas" Howard

I'm taking some of my idle time during lockdown to create stubs for the Reconstruction-era black legislators of my native Tennessee. I hope to come back and make much, much longer articles about each of them. --Orange Mike | Talk 21:11, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

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Got it, thank you.Mottezen (talk) 07:33, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

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Three Ds of antisemitism

I don't know anything about the demographics of Northern Cyprus, but some people have claimed that the Turkish government was trying to transform the ethnic balance on the island by introducing Anatolians there (whether it succeeded or not)... AnonMoos (talk) 08:57, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

Basically the North is 99% Turkish and the South is 99% Greek. Take a look at Northern_Cyprus#Demographics, especially the second paragraph. The number of settlers is completely speculative, but never alleged to be equal or bigger than Greek Cypriots in the South. I think this settler situation is hardly comparable to Israel or Morocco. Mottezen (talk) 17:54, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

Obviously Turkey's government was not trying to change the ethnic balance within Northern Cyprus, but trying to modify the situation according to which Northern Cyprus has 36% of the land area of the island, but significantly less than that percentage of population of the island. AnonMoos (talk) 00:32, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

The text I removed was deliberately unclear on that. Clarifying this aspect to it would make its argument fall apart. Mottezen (talk) 01:40, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

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Yunus Brothers Group

We all make mistakes at AFC. I've made more than I can count.

There are several things that raise red flags on this, sock puppetry notwithstanding. It looks to be notable, that is not the issue. The references are all PR or regurgitated PR. Some even say "from a press release". The corporation looks as if one could write a half decent article, but the editor looks like a paid hack and hasn't bothered.

With more reviews under your belt you'll be able to sniff this out, so don't be disheartened. Keep reviewing. Fiddle Faddle 09:32, 16 April 2021 (UTC)

It's ok, I'll remember to check if the author was a sock puppet now. And indeed, it is a pretty bad article. However, I disagree with the idea that "the references are all PR or regurgitated PR", as they were all published in Dawn (newspaper), and it is not journalistic malpractice to quote press releases as sources. Mottezen (talk) 16:55, 16 April 2021 (UTC)

Some of the Dawn references are PR pieces, I'm afraid

• https://www.dawn.com/news/1297762
• https://www.dawn.com/news/738596/luckys-acquisition-of-ici-at-152-5m
• https://www.dawn.com/news/164563/industrial-group-donates-rs10-79m "According to a press release"

and http://www.ybpakistan.com is the company's own site

In terms of WP:THREE there remain two references. And each of these appears be generated from PR. https://profit.pakistantoday.com.pk appears to be a news aggregator, albeit with some journalistic input. There is no byline on the article https://www.dawn.com/news/1463164 had a byline and appears to be journalism Fiddle Faddle 18:20, 16 April 2021 (UTC)

It is not journalistic malpractice, no.But Wikipedia does not recognise a press release or a PR piece as anything other than a primary source. Fiddle Faddle 18:21, 16 April 2021 (UTC)

But the article itself is not a press release, it just cites a press release as one of its sources. Secondary sources are all based on primary sources: they have to be. In this 2-paragraph "according to a press release" article, there is a second source cited: the "Federal Minister for Privatization and Investment Dr Abdul Hafeez Shaikh". I do not see any indication that these three articles are sponsored posts, the authors are either "The Newspaper's Staff Reporter" and "Dilawar Hussain". The article with no author byline dates back from 2005, when web technologies were different. Even the "Who’s the richest of them all?" is a legitimate article: it is normal for a mainstream newspaper to cover the richest people in the country, and to ask the question "who is it" when data on the rich's wealth is not available in said country. I'd argue that these sources make this topic pass WP:THREE with flying colors, even when taking into consideration that [1] fails NCORP's standards. The company homepage was only used for context: the origin and size of the company. Mottezen (talk) 19:07, 16 April 2021 (UTC)

We differ in opinion. I have not persuaded yo, you have not persuaded me. That is fine. Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^{Talk to me} 19:36, 16 April 2021 (UTC)

Please reinstate the CSD if you have not done so already. It is unusual to remove CSDs regarding block evasion. THsi tag has no bearing in the discussion of article quality Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^{Talk to me} 19:45, 16 April 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for doing so Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^{Talk to me} 19:58, 16 April 2021 (UTC)

User:Timtrent Ok, I reinstated it, but I have a question. In the reviewing instructions, it doesn't say anywhere that we have to check if the author is evading a block or is a sockpuppet. The tutorial for New page patrollers is vague on the subject. Say someone evading a block writes a perfectly fine article with no other issues, do we have to delete it regardless? Mottezen (talk) 20:00, 16 April 2021 (UTC)

I agree with you. But it cannot guide us everywhere. An AFC reviewer is a doorkeeper. We must use our judgement about how far we go. Generally that judgement is informed by experience, and by the advice of others (when that advice is judged to be relevant), and by making mistakes and varying our work based on all of that.

I do many unguided things, including following pictures to Commons and checking licencing, sniffing out UPE, recently determining that an editor both said he was the subject of his draft and also was not. It is not a simple and pure article review task. And I also try to teach editors, real volunteer ones, how to do better. I also teach reviewers, if they are willing, to review slightly better

I am not error free, nor will I ever be. But I do better as time passes. That is true of you, too.

And yes, we propose for deletion regardless. Block evasion is always for a reason. Were I an admin I would not shoot on sight. I believe deletion is a dual key process. So I propose and the admin checking my rationale has to agree or disagree. Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^{Talk to me} 20:13, 16 April 2021 (UTC)

I just realised why you might find it difficult to spot blocked editors.

Pop over to your Preferences > Gadgets > Strike out usernames that have been blocked and turn that gadget on. It reveals blocked users very well, and gives us a clue to look for block reasons. Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^{Talk to me} 16:52, 17 April 2021 (UTC)

Because, and only because, Requests for Undeletion is on my watchlist I noticed you requested and then self reverted a request for undeletion of this ietm. Might I suggest that you write the article, and frm scratch? What we truly cannot do is to reward sockpuppetry, so I suggest you leave it a while, do your own researches, and write it afresh. It may well be notable, and I know you are certain it is. I never got that far when G5ing it. I think it likely you will write a far better article than the sock ever did. THis sock area is rife with UPE so by definition your work will be better. Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^{Talk to me} 08:50, 19 April 2021 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Pakistani companies established in 1962

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TAXIDICAE💰 14:48, 19 April 2021 (UTC)

Please note that sources such as this are wildly inappropriate and not at all reliable. TAXIDICAE💰 14:48, 19 April 2021 (UTC)

Your acceptance of multiple questionable drafts

Hi Mottezen! Could you please explain to me the rationale behind your acceptance of Saffron Barker and Vitore Nino at AFC? --TheSandDoctor ^Talk 15:06, 19 April 2021 (UTC)

Based on finding Marta Burda as well, I am going to go ahead and remove your AfC access at this time. Please explain. --TheSandDoctor ^Talk 15:20, 19 April 2021 (UTC)

Hello TheSandDoctor, I approved Saffron Barker's page because I thought she was notable. This was the best source [2]. I noticed the other sources were indeed pretty tabloid-y, but I thought that the sheer amount of them meant she was probably notable. As for the two albanian actors you noted, I google-translated the sources available to assess their worth. They described them as very influential actors in their time. Since there are few sources from Hoxha-era albania available online, and that albanian cinema is poorly covered on wikipedia overall, I decided to accept them. Note that I assessed many albanian actor's drafts, and that I refused about half of those that I came across. Mottezen (talk) 16:51, 19 April 2021 (UTC)

Also: Since I started reviewing drafts I kinda just went ahead with what I thought was a notable topic, and accepted it based on that. But I was new to reviewing. Having multiple drafts I reviewed being suddenly re-draftified is a very unpleasant experience, something I wouldn't want happen again. TheSandDoctor, if I am ever returned my AfC access, I'll make sure that the drafts are completely bulletproof before approving them. I would not have accepted any of these drafts if I had known. I would have used the same standards of assessment for english and non-english sources, and make sure multiple RS were available for tabloid obsessions like Saffron Barker. Mottezen (talk) 17:01, 19 April 2021 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Pakistani companies established in 1968

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Request on 19:05:45, 21 April 2021 for assistance on AfC submission by Musiklova67

• Musiklova67 (talk · contribs)
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Musiklova67 (talk) 19:05, 21 April 2021 (UTC)

Hello Mottezen,

Thank you for your helpful comments on the draft's submission. I will review the verbiage and make the necessary alterations.

Have a great day, thanks again for the tips. Musiklova67 (talk) 19:05, 21 April 2021 (UTC)

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