MrGreg

Czech presidential election, 2018

Just an FYI, the percentages are definitely wrong – try copying the results into an Excel sheet and recalculate them yourself.

As for the turnout issue, voter turnout is total number of votes cast divided by number of registered voters. The Volby figure (using envelopes issued) is not the standard method of calculating turnout and should not be used as the figure, otherwise it means Wikipedia is not consistent. It would be appreciated if you could restore the correct figures. Cheers, Number 57 20:24, 31 January 2018 (UTC)

Hi Number 57, if you consider the turnout on volby.cz to be incorrect, then the turnout numbers are incorrect on every single wikipage related to any czech elections (exc. presidential election 2013, where they are incorrect in my point of view). Therefore I am not going to change the turnout numbers back, because I consider them to be correct this way.

I hear your argument about the definition of voter turnout (though I disagree), however using your way would cause inconsistency, considering other czech related pages, as I have mentioned.

Finally, I just for the sake of completeness, I quicky explain the process and the reason why the Czech statistical office considers the number of issued envelopes to be the basis for the turnout.

The votes are considered to be valid only, if they are casted inside the official envelope. Voters receive this envelope only after they present their ID and the member of the district electoral commission crosses their name off the voters list. As of that moment - the crossing out, they are considered to have taken the part in the voting process.

People present their opinions in various ways. Some cast invalid votes as a protest, others even make their own voting ballots for the same reason. And some people present their opinion about not having any candidate to pick from by actually turning up for an ellection, but as a protest - not casting their vote.

As you said "Voter turnout is the percentage of eligible voters who cast a ballot in an election." This definiton means that even the invalid votes are counted. So the only real difference is that CSO makes the distinction between invalid votes and people who pick up their envelopes, but for some reason fail to cast them.

Oh yes, about percentages being definetely wrong:

- 5 180 290 / ( 8 366 433 / 100 ) = 61,917545984053180130648270296314 ... 61,92

5 569 665 / ( 8 362 987 / 100 ) = 66,598991484741038100382076404041 ... 66,60

--MrGreg 21:16, 31 January 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for the response. When I mentioned the percentages, I was actually talking about the percentages of the candidates (e.g. Zeman, Hilšer, Topolánek and Hannig), which you changed in this edit. These are definitely incorrect – I guess because Volby don't round up correctly.

With regards to the turnout, I appreciate the explanation, but the issue is that when secondary sources (which would always be preferred to Volby as a primary source) begin to produce the results, they will calculate turnout in the standard manner. So, for example, Czech legislative election, 1996 uses the Dieter Nohlen book as a source, and that source does the normal calculation. So the inconsistency is created by using Volby – as far as I can see only three elections used the Volby turnout format – the 2010 and 2013 legislative elections and the 2018 presidential elections. All the others use the normal calculation, even if the source is Volby. If it's really an issue to use the normal figure, perhaps the answer is to add a note like in Czech Senate election, 2016? Cheers, Number 57 21:28, 31 January 2018 (UTC)

Oh wow... I have to admit and apologise, you are correct about the percentages of the candidates... It appers that volby.cz just cuts the number instead of rounding it up, even though it can roud up in the first table... I will edit this part so the numbers are rounded up correctly.

About the other czech-election wikipages. I have checked the turnout and parties percentages at pages about 2013, 2010 elections. And then just quickly scoped the parties percentages on other pages, it appeared to be consistent with volby.

Finally, the only issue with using other calculation than on volby.cz is, that whithout expanation, they are - at least in the eyes of a Czech - incorrect. So, in order to avoid any situation, similar to our little debate, I agree that some sort of sic! note would be appropriate.

--MrGreg (talk) 22:03, 31 January 2018 (UTC)

I just realised another mistake... The percentage results in the Results table are counted from the number of Valid votes, but the table shows as Total the number of Returned envelopes. So the table doesn't make sense, because the percentage of the candidate votes adds up to 100 %, which would make the Total number for the first round 100,57 % and second round 100,23 % instead of 100 %.

It was just a quick check but the table in Czech presidential election, 2013 seems completly wrong as well... The percentage seems not to add up. (But here is pretty late, so I may be getting sleepy and missing something :D )

I'm not going to change it in any way though, because I learned my lesson and I don't know what the standard is. But I figured you might be interesed.

--MrGreg (talk) 22:57, 31 January 2018 (UTC)

The percentages in the 2018 article add up to 100%, which is correct. I agree the 2013 one is incorrect though, so I've changed it. Number 57 12:50, 1 February 2018 (UTC)

Czech Republic

The name of the country here at Wikipedia is Czech Republic. If you want to change it, please first gain consensus at the talk page of that article. Until then, kindly refrain from changing the name without consensus. Jeppiz (talk) 20:43, 5 February 2018 (UTC)

Hi, How exactly do you imagine gaining consensus at every single article mentioning Czechia/Czech Republic? Discussions on pages like Czech Republic or Name of the Czech Republic led to nowhere and the discussions were closed with no definite conclusion stating that both terms may be used. I understand the argument about Czechia not being that commonly used as much as Czech Republic, but anyone not familiar with that name can simply click on it or just move their mouse over the name and it immediately shows Czech Republic... I see no reason why all the countries should have their short informal names in those pages and only Czechia should be Czech Republic? Why? I mean, we don't use Federal Republic of Germany, French Fifth Republic, Republic of Estonia, Republic of Finland ... Why Czech Republic?...

--MrGreg (talk) 21:22, 5 February 2018 (UTC)

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Sure thing. What a "constructive contribution" from your side. Reverting every change I made, even though you disapprove ONLY ONE OF THEM. Check your Policies and guidelines and what they say about deleting useful content. MrGreg (talk) 21:04, 5 December 2018 (UTC)

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