Mukkhuu

Response to the comment posted by user "Mukkhuu" on user "Karan1974"'s talk page. Response by Karan1974 is as follows:

Dear user "Mukkhuu",

First please relax :) Take a deep breath and another and another till you have calmed down... Your hands are literally shaking in frustration and anger, and your mind is muddled up to write a straight message to me... 4 edits on my talk page within a span of couple of minutes with the same content :D And the joke is on you  :) And look who is having the laughing bouts.

The investigation or as you want to say "mega-investigation" revealed that you are a LIAR and indulge in sock puppetry. For your kind information please visit your talk page and also the notice board about the comments from wiki admin. You created "Mukkhuu" first and then "Editbot3" and you indulged in sock puppetry. To refresh your memory, User "Mukkhuu" got created on July 24, 2010 and user "Editbot3" got created on Dec 5, 2010. There has been overlap of edits (verifiable by looking at the revision history) which suffices to say that they were used in parallel. The admins have already found this out and have determined that user "Mukkhuu" is the master account as that was the account that got created first and not the other way round. By indulging in this action and corresponding dubious edits, unfortunately you socked. Additional details can be found out on the earlier mentioned locations. Well, let me copy the extracts here for your ready reference:

From your talk page:

Notification of Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents report

Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. -- Atama頭 21:33, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

Atama, I do not engage in any sockpuppetry at all. I had an account under Editbot3 a long time ago. If you look you see that I never logged in as Editbot3 the day Mukkhuu was created. That is because at that time I was unaware that I could not use "bot" in a username and was warned for it. I immediately created Mukkhuu and do not use any other username, like your investigation shows. Karan1974 is falsely accusing me. The case is about something else actually. Karan1974 has been quarreling with me and several others for a very long time over getting some unknown dancer's name in the Odissi list of performers, someone known to him and like he mentions in one of his long rambling rants to me, his daughtes's dance teacher. Karan1974 has been reverting back to any changes being made regarding the removal of this particular dancer, Bidisha Mohanty's name and does not respect the opinion of other editors of the wiki page. Turns out few of these people were resorting to sockpuppetry, which is unfortunate. But it does reflect the opinion that only Karan1974 would like this name included, while if you research further, you will see that the person whose name Karan1974 is attempting to include "Bidisha Mohanty" is not a prominent Odissi dancer with track record like the others in the same list. I and several others believe that wiki was meant to give accurate information and not made a portal to promote otherwise obscure characters. This is turning out to be a funny high school power play and so Karan1974 is having his/her way. Reflects badly on what wiki stands for, but right now, I do not have any interest in trying to do the "right" thing anymore. Mukkhuu (talk) 06:45, 22 September 2011 (UTC)

You didn't log in as Editbot3 the day that you created Mukkhuu, because the Mukkhuu account was created on July 24, 2010, 5 months before you created Editbot3 (on December 5 that year). Our policy is that you can't use more than one account to edit the same article. You edited the Odissi article as Editbot3 from December 2010 all the way through July of 2011. You edited that same article as Mukkhuu from July 2010 up through today, so you edited that page as Mukkhuu both before, during, and after the time you were editing it as Editbot3. You're giving the false impression that you created Editbot3 first, and were warned about the username, and then abandoned Editbot3 and created Mukkhuu so that you could edit with a username not in violation of our policy. That's clearly a lie. You have to understand that everything you do on Wikipedia is logged, and those records are easily accessed, you don't even have to be an administrator to do see them. As I said, do not create any more accounts to edit your articles, doing so will lead to this account being blocked, probably indefinitely. -- Atama頭 18:35, 22 September 2011 (UTC)

And the following is from the notice board:

Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you.

I already replied at Mukkhuu's user talk page about the denial of socking, but what Karan1974 says above about account creation dates and overlapping edits is completely true. Mukkhuu's statements are demonstrably false, just looking at the contribution history and creation logs of the two accounts makes it pretty obvious. I don't know why this denial is even being made, I won't block someone for sockpuppetry if the sockpuppet was already blocked over a month ago and no further socks have been used since. I doubt any other admin would either. My whole point about the warning was so that Mukkhuu couldn't claim ignorance of policy if another sock was used in the future. I'm assuming that Editbot3 was created out of ignorance of our sockpuppet policy. But then again, with this recent attempt at deception I'm starting to wonder if it's safe to assume good faith here. -- Atama頭 19:04, 22 September 2011 (UTC)

Yes, your NEW profile had a "bot" in its name and not the previous profile as you have remembered by now. Nice way to choose the name with a "bot"... to give the impression that a robot is doing some edits to add a genuineness angle. How pesky ? And a great deal sneaky.

Please stop you bluff and blatant lies for you have been thoroughly Exposed. You have lost your complete credibility here :D So please stop blabbering and if you have an dignity left, please exit gracefully.

To your statement "Rani2010 thinks like me".... NO... in fact NOT at all... Rani2010 thinks and does three times more than you do. Your sock puppet was "Editbot3" but Rani2010 had 3 sockpuppets "OdissicriticDelhi", "IndianDanceCritic" and "DanceCritic1971". All duly exposed and blocked. All I can say is birds of a feather flock together. Untruthful people associate with untruthful people :)

I am not a Winner for I am just a normal mortal Karan1974 doing good for the society at large. The truth and factual information is the "Real Winner" here. Now that you would again be laughing (but sheepishly now or in all probability crying now), let me try to humour you a bit for the alphabetic order... Dr. Bidisha Mohanty's name now appears in the 8th position but if I remove "Dr." part she would climb to 4th position... Good point to ponder over :) But no, not required, Bidisha ji earned it so she will have it but others have not earned that distinction. Sorry, can't help with the names others were born with, and sequencing it greatly reduces the biasness... seniority scale :) please send me a list when you compile one with factual information.

Yes, I remember the message about Bidishaji is as humble as humble can be and is publicity averse, so do you want to clue her in about the activities that is going on in wiki. Please don't or she may start a witch-hunt here. And at least one good thing has got cultivated in you and in case you are wondering what it is...surprise...surprise... you have started reading :)

Your equations are straight forward and I like it, but inherent assumptions are faulty. Let me help here.

Your equation: 1 Mukkhuu + 1 Rani2010 + 1 Dr. Bidisha Mohanty > 1 Karan1974 which means Mukkhuu and Rani2010 win (wow!!!).

Well you overlooked one very important FACT and the NEW equation become like this.

1 Mukkhuu = 1

1 Editbot3 (Sock Puppet) = -10

1 Rani2010 = 1

1 OdissicriticDelhi (Sock Puppet) = -10

1 IndianDanceCritic (Sock Puppet) = -10

1 DanceCritic1971 (Sock Puppet) = -10

1 Dr. Bidisha Mohanty = 1

Total score = -37 which is less than 1 Karan1974, which means Mukkhuu and Rani2010, you loose (boo !!!).

Wiki Odissi page is for the community and only factual information would be presented here and not somebody's whims and fancies and personal preferences. I have put in a bit of effort to make it look more presentable and cleaned up the biased way of representing information.

Let me reiterate again, user "Mukkhuu" and "Rani2010"... you have lost your complete credibility here. And for goodness sake stop with your hillarious lies.

p.s. This would seem long to you but my own writings are less here and it becomes bulky after I copy some relevant information to save some of your precious time.

--Karan1974 (talk) 00:03, 23 September 2011 (UTC)

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Hi Winner! What a joke! Alphabetical order so that Bidisha Mohanty doc guru's name can go right up. Clever strategy. I can't believe you took the pains of investigating my "sockpuppetry"! ha ha ha ha ha... And what did your mega-investigation reveal? I told you I do not do anything like that. you did not believe me. My previous username had "bot" in it and so I had to change to this. That's it. And you set the wiki-cop on me! Rani2010 thinks like me, that's not my fault. Don't even know her. I only know that we both do not think it is right that this dancer's name deserves to be with the likes of Aruna Mohanty and Ratikanta Mahapatra. And you wrote in a message to me, that Bidisha ji also does not like publicity and is humble. So that makes three of us against you. :D But Odissi is now your personal page and so you can alphabetically arrange "everything" in it.

Mukkhuu (talk) 07:15, 22 September 2011 (UTC)

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Oh My God !!! A peaceful and a calm mind is good. To your statement "You seriously want me to list people"... this is wiki and not a personal website for your kind information... Thanks but no thanks :) ...own countries ??? Hmmmm and Hmmmm.... "Honestly, I am banging my head against a wall." and it seems you possibly took the literal aspect of the meaning; it was metaphorical. You are still having issues reading thru the perf list on the website or the responses I have provided earlier. I am sorry I can not help you beyond that. People who have a different point of view and provide factual information appear as yelling, quarreling, rambling and I am terribly sorry, that I can not help you there either. Strangely, you love asking questions, quoting hearsay and making passionate claims but don't have any facts or sources to back it up or provide any answers. Please relax. Thanks.

--Karan1974 (talk) 01:56, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

He he he... calm down ... O My God! You seriously want me to list people involved in Odissi and given performances/lectures/demonstrations at a few programs in their own countries? I will now stop responding to someone who is yelling, quarreling, rambling and maybe actually doing something like: "Honestly, I am banging my head against a wall." :D I will stop now because you are becoming too violent. Thanks and bye, and my regards to the international star.

Mukkhuu (talk) 00:52, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

Sure she is Mukkhuu :) and please don't forget the Dr. part. She earned it. No answers yet from your end :D :D

--Karan1974 (talk) 05:45, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

Humble Guru Bidisha Mohanty. :D

I am normally straight-faced but this discussion just evokes laughter. You just wasted a bit of your time here to describe what Wiki is... There are citations all across :) And discussion pages are public too... oh my... I did not know and so did other people too... we are really ignorant... Thank you so much for educating us.

She DID and was not in the finalists list like so many of our famous internationally recognized Odissi Gurus. Being a part of the event is what counts. Putting across facts and responding to your questions makes you seem like fighting. Kudos. Seems you never had any kind of discussion before. I am sorry, you are monarchy and are not habituated to a democratic way of functioning. Why put the questions when you are not receptive towards the answer.

Name calling. What? Where? If you mention and attribute me as Guru Dr. Bidisha Mohanty what harm befalls when I attribute some others to you. Take it in your stride dude. Honestly, I am banging my head against a wall. I have provided apt justifications all along and now let me play the role of the questioner. You had still not provided the response to thousands of Odissi Practitioners with 30 years of experience and 9 years of international experience. Who are they and where are they ? You put across very vague questions and seem to enjoy beating around the bush. Please go thru earlier responses and you will get your answers. And you put forth an equally baseless point "What is her extraordinary achievement/contribution towards Odissi apart from being passionate and enthusiastic and running a school for kids, like a thousand others across the globe". Where are these thousands located? Are they listed somewhere ? What is the source behind this statement ?

--Karan1974 (talk) 21:26, 31 August 2011 (UTC)

Funny how you won't stop fighting me and calling me names :) For general knowledge for me and others (since this page is public, too, you know): So, Guru Dr. Bidisha Mohanty did NOT perform at SF Ethnic Festival? That's alright. Your earlier post sounded like she did, I misunderstood. What are some of her major international performances? Does she have any prominent disciple? What is a major production that has earned her appreciation across the field of dance? The paragraph in the wiki page contains an exclusive list of Gurus internationally recognition. What is her extraordinary achievement/contribution towards Odissi apart from being passionate and enthusiastic and running a school for kids, like a thousand others across the globe.

Precisely... as I explained it myself... it's not one person but a multitude of persons behind the single facade... who does not have the patience to reflect on his recent past post or to the response... please put some attention and then it would not sound as a ramble specifically to you. More specifically, it's written in plain english and just a plain reading would suffice to get down to the gist of it.

Oh finally, Mukkhuu (your highness) realized that SF Ethnic Festival is not a "local program" anymore... good... please do some more studies and research... you sure need it... That's the list of finalists you are showing and who do we have there....2 international gurus only across 12 years and 1 appearance only for each of them over these span of years and we have a running list of gurus listed now in Wiki... How ? What a sad fate that all these people are not internationally recognized artists or gurus by your logic. So what do we do now... hmmm... prune down the list majorly.... And if you know how to read dear (reiterating for your benefit: "participation in SF Ethnic Dance Festival") then you should not be having these basic questions... As explained I am not a performer... just a follower, so I can not perform. Maybe you can try the next time around dear disgruntled performer.

I am an American (since the last couple of years) but logic definitely is not.... does this hurt you as well Mukkhuu or Rani2010 or more specifically EditBot3 (again behind a facade of a Bot) to delete and edit names.... got blocked ha ha ha. Weird ??? Angry ??? Please stop kidding, for you have amply demonstrated who is what and please don't exhibit both of them anymore. Now you are fixated on the thought that I am Guru Dr. Bidisha Mohanty, who herself is publicity averse, so I have taken the reins to do something right and I am going to humor your thoughts. And sorry I forgot, you have got amnesia and hence can not recollect.

Well you really got scared of Karma stuff ? I really had no idea you will be. You sure love to kid, don't you ? Thank you "your highness" for doing a great favor to the entire Odissi Community and sparing Guru Dr. Bidisha Mohanty's name (or my name if your highness pleases). --Karan1974 (talk) 17:16, 31 August 2011 (UTC)

I have no idea what all this ramble is all about. Your American logic is weird. So, when did Bidisha ji (or maybe you) perform at SF Ethnic Festival? Your name does not occur in the list of major soloist or as group since 1999 [here]. That's 12 years... and you say u have 9 yrs of international experience. You should go after them to get your name in that list too. I might be wrong though, but I seriously did not find it there. Ha ha, I am not Rani2010. You are scaring me with Karma for doubting your merit because your accomplishments are not mentioned anywhere online? You are truly weird. Why are you still angry? :) I am not deleting your name :)

My.... My.... who is doing the laughing.... it's good to laugh at oneself... makes me wonder if it is one person behind the facade or a group of persons... the style of writings for posts vary from here to there.... sometimes your responses are not consistent about what you my dear had written yourself in the recent past.... no amount of facts does make you understand the simple rationale... i.e. international.... famous... artiste... gurus...recognized... blogspot... and host of others ... which I very well think you understand but want to portray that whatever wrong stance you have taken you are not going to back off... This is an unfortunate stand. You are really bad in reading across somebody's achivements... what you mention as 9 years of effort is only that in USA and for your kind information she was not born is USA. I pity closed souls like you. Makes me wonder what kind of reading you do when you have trouble deciphering the first few sentences on her website.

Rani2010 deleted pioneering part but before that I had raised objection to the post you had created my dear... This kind of "flaming" will raise the hackles of any body... Let me kindly refresh your mind... Please look at the edit you did on Aug 27 which is reflected as "Revision as of 19:21, 27 August 2011 (edit) (undo) Mukkhuu (talk | contribs)" to see who made the great original comment... You are still laughing... let me also join you ha, ha, ha, and a ha.. Please keep on laughing at yourself. I am not an expert nor a practitioner but a follower but I seem to have more mental acumen and knowledge on this dance form than a self proclaimed expert who claims to know a lot of esteemed gurus to call them by their first name... Still laughing.... Good luck... Now I can claim myself to be an expert for it's just 4 portals to look at and that's all one needs to know about Odissi. Do go ahead and put yourself in the Wiki that you are the best gatekeeper and upholder of pristine information on Odissi OR you are the the go to expert on Odissi OR you have the latest and greatest news in Odissi... Just try it once dear and somebody is sure to delete it out. To draw an allegory, that's what you exactly did and then rejoicing and then saying it got deleted... Dude... come back to your senses.... your original post got deleted. Come back to planet earth and mortal beings. One should still keep humour.

You seem to be quoting some sites here and there, and are completely undecided about what is the source of truth. Sometimes you quote blogspot... sometimes this wiki...when you are questioned you don't answer... and then you quote some other sites. Didn't you cultivate the habit of calling a spade a spade.... It's not too late. Please look at the earlier replies to your questions to get the complete picture... your having amnesia or refusal to understand the facts does not change anything...

Please don't guess me as her... as elaborated earlier you would be terribly dissapointed.... You will know who is doing this writing if you go thru the earlier responses... But I don't think you have gumption to do that. Reg: "you have no idea who I am"... Sure, I have NO idea who you are.... what do you think, I am a soothsayer or a fortune teller.... But you seem to think yourself as one but hello, wrong guess. Now that you have taken the liberty to guess-identify me so it merits that I take a guess too... you are one disgruntled dancer who has high hopes and dreams of making it to the international arena but is yet to materialize and feels important when you edit the deserving candidates out from this wiki and belittle their merits and achievements. And you know what "Rani2010" is only you as your alter ego and only God knows how many alter egos you have. And playing the "good cop and bad cop" routine or "I propose and I second it" mask is not inherently healthy in wiki. Please don't loose hope dude... everybody get's a chance.... Believe in Karma... Do good and good will come back to you or well... you know the rest...

Great ha, ha and a ha... you know laughing is infectious... There could be a thousand names in this wiki page.... what a boast... please back it up... so how many Odissi practisioners are there with over 30 years in dance experience and 9 years of international experience... I don't see that many in the Odissi blogspot or narthaki nor chandrakanta... Please stop kidding now... I am having a belly ache with all the laughing...

My long spiel of Odissi pertains to the situation in USA alone... World is too big a place and I have not been to any place apart from UK, Australia, Canada and USA and India obviously. To reiterate I did not tell anything about the world... just USA... You may have better insights in the other areas... Not discussing the hard facts does not make it disappear. But to each his own. Certainly would like to hear or read what own part you have done or had done to make Odissi popular and accessible. I have already mentioned the role I have played.

What happened to your great comment on "Local Programs".... for you kind information eminent Gurus (which you have graciously listed yourself by first names) had also been the "local program" of SF Ethnic Festival... Some have tried for many years with their troupes and in only 1 incident had been thru the first round... notable exponents... ha ... ha... and a big HA. God bless.

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--Karan1974 (talk) 07:45, 31 August 2011 (UTC)

Yes, dancers across the world support each other. When it comes to creating a database of most prominent gurus to represent accurate information to the world, no - she is not one of the most prominent nor of international stature. Neither Narthaki nor chandrakanta or any Odissi portal lists her, Odissi blogspot briefly mentions her, she has no 'major' international performance. any of the above might give her a place amongst the names that she is currently listed with. I understnd her passion, dedication... it;s no one's fault that she is not of an internaitonal stature or have students who have prominence. Comparison with Jyoti Raut, Vishnu, Nandita Behera, Niharika or even Patnaik sisters??? another wiki user Rani also deleted the "pioneering" part, just to assure you. I mentioned her name just to help you see what everyone thinks... not just me!!! what I thought would happen really happened, someone deleted her completly you see. ha ha... "your highness". you have no idea who I am. but your passion to be "famous" will get you somewhere... well by now I think you are the "Bidisha Mohanty" yourself. Anyway, She will be given credit for her 9 years of effort, no doubt. But to be placed amongst the forerunners of Odissi, hmmmmm... interesting. But its alright, as you wish. ha ha. by the way, your long spiel about about odissi around the world is irrelevant in the current discussion. we all do our own part to make odissi accesible, popular. there could be a thousand name in this one wiki page if that was the case, who has similar achievements in the field of odissi.

Hi Mukkhuu: Thanks for this insight... probably you came to know about that recently as you explicity called out Guru Dr. Bidisha Mohanty's name and mentioned that "...she pioneered the spread of Odissi in the USA for the last nine years and teaches in the Bay Area" and I had tried to correct it; but now you come up with more information mentioning that this is not the case. Then what made you come up with the bold statement during that time when I just wanted her name only to be placed among the multitude of Gurus listed and not a bold citation.

Let me correct you here for this statement "However,... looks like one of us is exercising the freedom of speech/ writing and publicity for sure."... NOT ONE but all the contributors and that does includes you too, are exercising the freedom of speech/ writing and publicity for sure. I too don't see a problem here.

Coming back to the same round-about argument; if only Mukkhuu knows this person and has his/her approval then and only then that person can only be recognized. Great justification. Let's not start making comparisions for everybody is unique and has their own style and personality. So, would you say that Guru Jyoti Rout is better than Guru Durga Charan Ranbir or vice versa... I don't think so. What does a "really" "really" famous dancer in USA mean. Dear friend, welcome to the world of reality. Indian Classical dance (all forms) vies for competition with a host of dance forms from China, Korea, European Nations and host of African Nations. Odissi as such is not a popularly performed dance in USA, as you would seem to think. Compared to all other great dance forms of India like Bharatnatyam, Kuchipudi, Kathak etc and if we take the spread of Odissi among the Indian community the presence is limited only to the Oriya community at large with some exceptions for sure but majority is still Oriyas. And not every Oriya is an enthusiastic supporter, for the 2nd generation people are veering to Bharatnatyam or Kathak or Bollywood dances. If for information sake you make a search of Bharatnatyam gurus and Odissi gurus in Bay area, Northern California, only you will come to know how many practisioners or knowledge imparters in Odissi dance there are. They are vastly vastly outnumbered by the other forms of dance gurus/ teachers. I can tell you for a fact that there are a total of 4 (four) Odissi teachers in this Bay Area (Guru Jyoti Rout, Guru Niharika Mohanty, Guru Dr. Bidisha Mohanty and Guru Vishnu Tatva) and more than 50+ teachers in Bharatnatyam. Let's not be under some assumption that people are dying to learn this dance form or American audience comes in hordes to watch these or tickets are all sold-out. Please check with the Gurus who have performed here in USA and how we support the lead promoter who got them to perform in USA by canvassing the community, networking among colleagues, different company boards, other community members to get them to view the performance. Let us do our part on promoting a common culture rather than fighting he/ she is the best or he/ she is really famous.

Yeah "local programs" for sure :) :) ... "participation in SF Ethnic Dance Festival", as San Francisco is in the backyard of Bay Area, California and it is a teeny weeny performance spread over 3 days only. And sure the performances in Chicago or New York etc are pretty local too citing to the statement on the website "Performances at various cultural/community centers in Bay Area (CA), New York, Chicago and Madison", and "Pro bono lecture demonstrations in the Chicago Academy for the Arts" are surely local. Why not !!! Mukkhuu states that these are "Local programs" hence they are "Local programs". We all agree with you, your highness without a doubt, and please don't cut off our heads our Lordship. May you live to be a thousand years !!!

You said quote "I am not the guardian angel of the wiki page. everyone contributes. Few misuse."... Rightly said... can't be more truer when one tries to malign a genuine person and incites flaming. People don't need to appear in Wiki to be famous... it's only after they become famous they appear there... sure exceptions will be there. Had Guru Dr. Bidisha Mohanty wanted to be famous thru Wiki, then her name should have been appearing when this page was put up during 2004 and not in 2011. I have tried to put the right representation on the Odissi portal, which is meant to have factual information; and how not having her name does make it right to the world. Thanks.

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The pioneers of Debasir's style has been a group of dancers "Trinayan Dance Collective" in New york, Leesa Mohanty and deep support by Ranbir sir over the years. Did not ever hear of Bidisha Mohanty. However,... looks like one of us is exercising the freedom of speech/ writing and publicity for sure. No problem. I just figured if you claim that Bidishadevi is at par with Guru Hare Krishna Behera, Guru Durga Charan Ranbir, Guru Jyoti Rout (!!!) as I understand from your words below, she must be a "really" "really" famous dancer in USA, though I do not know her name or names of any major disciple to have any prominent mark. I did google your/her and found your/her achievements to be ok. local programs. However, you/she must be famous if you say so. I am not the guardian angel of the wiki page. everyone contributes. Few misuse. Some take those seriously since Odissi needs to be represented right to the world. But I will stop and see how people react... at least wiki will make her famous now. wish you/her all the best for the book.

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It's nice of you to explicitly call her out but definitely Guru Dr. Bidisha Mohanty is not a pioneer in propagating Odissi Dance as such in USA. There are other senior Gurus too. I would edit the statement to reflect that she is a pioneer in promoting a particular gharana of the Odissi dance.

Thanks.

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Appreciate the sentiment & freedom of speech/ writing, but this is a very cheap action on your part.

Thanks for trying to be guardian angel of the Wiki Odissi portal but am sorry to state that your energy is mis-directed for this. Words like "cheap publicity", "not an internationally recognized artist", word play of "Odissi 'enthusiast' in the community blog" does not bode well with your stature the respect I had and it makes me question your intentions. I believe I had provided adequate justifications to you in the past to this effect and then you inadvertently react based on an legit statement and delete the name of Guru Dr. Bidisha Mohanty, which comes as a surprise.

Please note that this is a blog (http://odissi.blogspot.com/) which a passionate person has created and has tried to put some info and has tried to make a directory of people who are passionate about Odissi. People who wanted to be portrayed had provided sufficient information to the moderator to be listed there. However not getting listed there does not mean that one is not interested or not an enthusiast or a follower. For people where hardly any information can be found apart from one liner for Guru Dr. Bidisha Mohanty, or Mrinalini padhi or Esha Bandyopadhya doesn't belittle them or make them less recognized.

What exactly do you understand by "enthusiast" ? My understanding is that it means the person is very passionate about something (Odissi in this case). Please be kind enough to give us YOUR interpretation of this term "enthusiast", which seems to be pretty different that what the English speaking world understands. "Enthusiast" is a word that applies to any Odissi guru that's why they have dedicated most of their life towards this. So do you mean to state that Hare Krishna Behera, Durga Charan Ranbir, Jyoti Rout and all other Odissi gurus are definitely NOT enthusiasts then, possibly they should be "Unenthusiastic" to spend their life on this.

Please google Bidisha Mohanty or go to her website (www.indraadhanush.com) to get to know her complete profile and the awards her students have won. And please also go thru this http://www.tathya.in/news/story.asp?sno=4554, which showcases what she is doing to promote Odisha culture in US.

What does "internationally recognized artist" mean to you? I feel something's are wrapped up in your head in the sense that when all the people see a square you say it's a circle. Since when did USA become a part of Orissa or for the matter India. To us normal mortal souls they are two different nations and hence transitioning from ones home country to the other justifies the term international. One who showcases Odissi dance before the US audience in different cities across USA is an artist and also an International artist at that. Don't want to go further but can't help about the term "recognized"... Well, all I can say is that if I have understood your statements correctly, it would mean "Mukkhuu" should be in the performance and the artist has to win his/ her approval and then only can the person be recognized.

And may I ask, there are these eminent persons listed in Wiki i.e. Snehaprava Samantaray, Oopali Operajita, Chitralekha Patnaik etc; but I don't see any corresponding reference in the http://odissi.blogspot.com/. So which is correct source of truth ? This Wiki or the Blogspot. So can I go ahead and delete these people from there. Also who is Dibakar Khuntia who is listed in Wiki but not on the Blogspot nor any matches on Google. I can question a lot and do a lot of edits myself and seek suitable justifications from contributors.

These kind of biased editing just does not make sense and I don't think you merit to uphold this source of so called "valid information" (which uptil now I was thinking it to be), which definitely is not valid when it runs by the whims and fancies of a person who refuses to understand the facts.

Thanks.

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Hi Mukkhuu, Thanks for the wishes and it has been aptly conveyed to Guru Dr. Bidisha Mohanty. I did make a search for some of the gurus listed by you, some are instantly recognizable, some have spread out and carrying on this dance in different corners of India and World. Some of the gurus are more vocal in blowing their own accomplishments where as in others their disciples have blown the horns and there are others for whom being part of the esteemed circle and propagation of word by mouth makes them happier.

Dr. Bidisha Mohanty does not aggressively toot her own praises and shies away from such publicity but relies more on imparting the knowledge of dance thru theory and practice. She is very learned both in the academic area and dance area. Dance for her is a way of life and a passion that can not be cultivated by learning a few routines. She has stayed in East Coast, Midwest and West coast for the last 9+ years and wherever she has gone she has tried to bring the Odissi dance and cultivate the dance form. I am sure you would quote her website, but that is the work of another disciple of her who did it on her own though Dr. Bidishaji was vehemently opposed to it. Over in Bay Area, CA she is spoken of in the same breath as Jyoti Rout or Niharika Mohanty.

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Hi Mukkhuu, — Preceding unsigned comment added by Karan1974 (talk • contribs) 23:02, 8 April 2011 (UTC) I certainly do adhere to the fact that this should be a place-holder and should be point of legit information. It is towards that effect I wanted to give the appropriate recognition to a humble artiste and guru. My two daughters have been learning with her for the last 3+ years. However for your pertinent information Dr. Bidisha Mohanty has over 28 years of experience in the Odissi dance form and has been imparting this dance form for over 13 years in India and various locations in USA chiefly New York, Chicago, Madison and Bay Area, CA. Apart from imparting the dance form, she has conducted various workshops & lecture demos. She has been groomed under the able tutelage of Shri Durga Charan Ranbir since she was 5 years old.

Apart from the several premier cultural events as a performer and choreographer in various events some of them being Puri Beach Festivals, Konark Festivals, a solo performer in Doordarshan etc., she is a Sangeet Bhaskar (Masters) in Odissi dance from Pracheen Kala Kendra, Chandigarh, and a Gold Medalist in Visharad (Bachelors) from Akhila Bharatiya Gandharva Mahavidyalaya, Mumbai. She is currently authoring a book on Odissi.

Academically she holds a M.B.A. and also a Doctorate degree in Business Administration.

Honestly, I couldn't understand "...recognized by the community...". If I may ask, who is the community ? And what needs to be done beyond the sincere effort and hardwork to be recognized by the so called community. If these dance degrees, performances, knowledge impartation and all the work over the years do not warrant any recognition then what does it take ? If creating a separate wiki page is a suitable way to get recognition then consider it done.

I hope you understand my intention of giving due respect to a deserving person.

Thanks Karan1974 (talk) 05:48, 23 March 2011 (UTC)karan1974

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Hi Mukkhuu, Not sure why are you undoing my changes time and again, when I am putting the name of a valid guru (Bidisha Mohanty). For further information please type out the name in google and see the results for yourself. She is a senior student of Durga Charan Ranbir and has been teaching the dance form for over 13 years in India and USA.

I am updating the reason for the changes why she should be added, other people have added other people's names but you are choosing me to be the one to UNDO. Would request your reasoning behind this.

Thanks, Karan1974 (talk) 23:54, 17 March 2011 (UTC)karan1974

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Atama, I do not engage in any sockpuppetry at all. I had an account under Editbot3 a long time ago. If you look you see that I never logged in as Editbot3 the day Mukkhuu was created. That is because at that time I was unaware that I could not use "bot" in a username and was warned for it. I immediately created Mukkhuu and do not use any other username, like your investigation shows. Karan1974 is falsely accusing me. The case is about something else actually. Karan1974 has been quarreling with me and several others for a very long time over getting some unknown dancer's name in the Odissi list of performers, someone known to him and like he mentions in one of his long rambling rants to me, his daughtes's dance teacher. Karan1974 has been reverting back to any changes being made regarding the removal of this particular dancer, Bidisha Mohanty's name and does not respect the opinion of other editors of the wiki page. Turns out few of these people were resorting to sockpuppetry, which is unfortunate. But it does reflect the opinion that only Karan1974 would like this name included, while if you research further, you will see that the person whose name Karan1974 is attempting to include "Bidisha Mohanty" is not a prominent Odissi dancer with track record like the others in the same list. I and several others believe that wiki was meant to give accurate information and not made a portal to promote otherwise obscure characters. This is turning out to be a funny high school power play and so Karan1974 is having his/her way. Reflects badly on what wiki stands for, but right now, I do not have any interest in trying to do the "right" thing anymore. Mukkhuu (talk) 06:45, 22 September 2011 (UTC)

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