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MarcoAlbani1998

Hi. I have been away from the computer a while so I just spotted a notification after this edit at WP:AIV which have now been archieved. Hope it is okay if I answer here instead.

You are right, the edits are to templates and the extra space does not produce any visual difference. However the edits are seen as disruptive and there has been multiple times where they have been fixed instead of reverting (example diff), because it is often better to fix than make a straight revert for some extra spaces.

It might look childish to even bother about some tiny extra spaces, but it comes from long term issues with this editor and the fact that they never respond to messages at their talkpage. Despite earlier warnings and two days ago a 31 hour block, they still continue without any discussion. Qed237 (talk) 20:57, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

@Qed237: I don't think this is by any means a "fix". If they going through and adding spaces without any other modifications, I might consider that disruptive, but that doesn't seem to be the case. It could be as simple as a typo. Skimming through their contributions, I see where they removed a space (yet added another). My point is it's very, very trivial and not something to complain about. Indeed, I see that this user has a long history of unrelated disruption, but if these spaces are accompanied by an otherwise constructive edit than I'd say even issuing a warning for that alone is unjustified, much less a block — MusikAnimal ^talk 21:27, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

Okay, I understand your point of view. I guess it is a case where different editors have different opinions and I know that an other editor got blocked for the same thing a few days ago (diff). And although it might have been hard with a week, I thought I better report this editor as well. Both these editors are vbery similar with warnings for various things and not communicating. I will take your words of wisdom, moving forward from this situation. Qed237 (talk) 22:44, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

And looking at this it looks like MarcoAlbani1998 has also started edit as IP to avoid the warnings he has got. Qed237 (talk) 00:36, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

21 (number)

Editing is very slow, but almost none of edits were accepted. Renew PC? --George Ho (talk) 05:49, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

Hello from Reedman72

Can you protect the article Nate Diaz. He just won UFC and that article is experiencing vandalism. Reedman72 (talk) 06:18, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

Looks like the good ole Gilliam beat me. Don't hesitate to ask me directly, but moving you can also post at WP:RFPP. I recommend using Twinkle to file the report — MusikAnimal ^talk 19:05, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

Comparing different language versions on Pageview Analysis

First of all, thank you very much for having created Pageview Analysis. I do like the ability to compare statistics between articles, but have not been able to compare articles of different languages. Is there some way to do this with the current version of Pageview Analysis? If not, is this feature something that is being worked on? Thanks again for all your hard work.--Akhooha (talk) 17:31, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

It's on the to-dos! You can track progress here. I imagine I'll have something to show within a month, hopefully — MusikAnimal ^talk 19:04, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for your quick reply. It's good to know that it's being worked on.--Akhooha (talk) 19:35, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

This week's article for improvement (week 10, 2016)

Eugene Delacroix - Liberty Leading the People Hello, MusikAnimal. The following is WikiProject Today's articles for improvement's weekly selection: People Please be bold and help to improve this article! Previous selections: Music of Africa • Molecule Get involved with the TAFI project. You can: Nominate an article • Review nominations Posted by: MusikBot talk 00:08, 7 March 2016 (UTC) using MediaWiki message delivery (talk) on behalf of WikiProject TAFI •

Category problem

Hey MusikAnimal, please look at User:James mccosker. If you click on "confirmed puppets", there are no accounts listed. Yet, there should be two: User:Phil1371 and User:GarryEvan777. I've never seen his happen before, and god knows I block enough masters and puppets. Any ideas? Thanks.--Bbb23 (talk) 00:03, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

Interesting! These were both added well over a day ago, I would think the job queue would have caught up by now. Purging, null edits, and an actual edit adding {{sockpuppet category}} didn't seem to do the trick. I'm not too sure to be honest, but I bet Redrose64 would have some idea — MusikAnimal ^talk 00:07, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

(talk page stalker)I re-entered them by hand and it seems to have done it. You may have copypasted a hidden character (or something). Debouch (talk) 00:46, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

We don't normally enter them by hand. In other words, the category remains red. Not sure what you mean by "copypasted a hidden character (or something)".--Bbb23 (talk) 01:26, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

I mean that when you edited the userpages to add {{sock||confirmed}}, that you may have picked up a non-printing character in the copy part of the copypaste, because replacing the ones that you entered with hand-typed ones fixed the problem. This is just a guess. Debouch (talk) 01:59, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

I see only one edit in the page histories for both GarryEvan777 and Phil1371, so anything that was done to those two pages by Debouch was no more than a WP:NULLEDIT; this is usually enough to get a page to categorise itself correctly.

When you have problems like this, where category C is shown at the bottom of pages P1 and P2, but P1 and/or P2 do not appear on category page C, no amount of tinkering with C will fix it - you need to go to P1, P2 etc. individually, and WP:NULLEDIT those. I suspect that what MusikAnimal made null edits to was not the two user pages, but the category page itself.

Regarding "copypasted a hidden character (or something)" - some browsers, like Firefox and more especially Chrome, have an annoying habit that when you mark some text - like a page name in a watchlist - and copy it to the clipboard, it takes all the visible characters plus a little bit more. This little bit more is often the left-to-right mark (LRM) that Wikipedia annoyingly sprinkles around in special pages (like watchlists or contribs) when it isn't necessary. An LRM is invisible, but it confuses the heck out of Wikipedia's template parser, so the category tables aren't correctly set. If you want a real example of such a hidden character, see this diff - see how the word "stubs" in the |category= parameter is highlighted - it looks the same, but the left-hand one has a LRM immediately after that word, my edit removed it. But this isn't what happened here. --Redrose64 (talk) 10:10, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

@Redrose64: I understand how it should be fixed if it ever happens again, although I'm not sure I'll remember it, particularly as it has never happened before, which means it's unlikely to happen again in the near term. I don't understand the invisible character, though. You show a diff, but in the diff there's nothing I can see that's, uh, different. If the character is invisible, how do you know that it's there to be fixed in the first instance?

On an old familiar topic, which I drove poor MA crazy with a long while ago but still happens to me, did you, Redrose64, ever eliminate that lag problem. It still drives me crazy. I have found a partial workaround. It seems to get worse the more I use Firefox, so at some point, I close all the instances of Firefox and start fresh. Not fun to do when I have a bunch of windows open and am working on them, but it helps reduce the lag. That, of course, leads me to believe that the problem is Firefox, not Wikipedia, but it could also be both. Sometimes, I think I'll bite the bullet and start using another browser. I believe IE doesn't have the problem, but I simply can't get the font sizes to be reasonable for my eyes, so that's a non-starter. Chrome is probably best. The font size is almost as good as Firefox's. In making certain components of the interface the "right" size, it does make some components too large, but I think it's tolerable. I just don't like Chrome for other reasons, mainly how it handles cookies and a very strong antipathy for Google itself. Anyway, thus far, mostly because of laziness, I've stuck with the limping Firefox.--Bbb23 (talk) 10:28, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

As I said, "it looks the same" - you need to use special techniques to see that there is a difference. These include:

• download the raw wikitext and put it through a utility that shows a hex dump;
• using a browser that copies the LRMs, like Chrome or Firefox, click the edit link for the left-hand side of that diff, highlight from the word "stubs" to the word "tempsort" inclusive, copy to clipboard, visit Unicode code converter, paste into the green box and click Convert above that; now notice that in the second grey box, the first line shows stubs‎ - Unicode character 200E is the LRM.
• click the edit link for the left-hand side of that diff, click an inch or so to the right of the word "stubs", the cursor now appears to sit immediately after that word; press ← Backspace once - nothing seems to change even though you deleted a character.

I don't recall what the "old familiar topic" was. --Redrose64 (talk) 10:45, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

@Redrose64: Wow. That's truly complicated. The "familiar topic" is a problem where the UI takes a long time to load. When you click on Save, the Firefox status bar has something like "reading wikipedia.org" or "reading en.wikipedia.org" "read en.wikipedia.org", I forget exactly. That stays in the staus bar for a significant time before the edit completes. If you don't pay attention, you'll think that certain items - in the upper right on my UI - are clickable, but when you click on them, you either do the wrong thing or it doesn't work at all because the items keep jumping as the UI slowly fills in. You and I at the time were the only editors who appeared to experience the problem, at least who said so on this Talk page. I believe there was also some very limited and unsuccessful discussion at the Pump. I finally gave up, although not after wearing out poor MA who for a good while kept offering possibilities, until he too understandably gave up. Since that time I've just lived with it. Even now I screw up, though, because I forget to wait, and my mouse automatically goes to where it would normally go and clicks. Fortunately, the worst I've ever done is make a bad edit; I've never inadvertently misused my tools. I apologize to MA for raising the issue again on his Talk page, but being a bit of an opportunist, I thought I'd take advantage of your presence.--Bbb23 (talk) 13:55, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

(←) @Bbb23: Haha no need to apologize! Sorry you're still having that issue. I definitely see my scripts load in a bit slow some time, meaning the UI jumps around at the top, but it usually isn't too bad. One thing I did recently that seems to help is disable all edit toolbars, since I personally use VisualEditor in the mainspace, and my syntax highlighter helps me with wikicode outside the mainspace. In other words if you don't use the edit toolbars, disable them – it's just one more script consuming load time. Thank you Redrose64 for the thorough explanation of category issue. You are correct I made a null edit to the category page, I think. Cheers to everyone! — MusikAnimal ^talk 19:20, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

The only thing I use on the edit toolbar is the thing that signs my post. I have everything off now and will see if that helps with the UI. Is there something I can do, though, so I don't have to manually type in --~~~~?--Bbb23 (talk) 20:16, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

@Bbb23: I could write a tiny script for you, but I bet if you got used to it typing it out would be just as fast. When editing your hands on are the keyboard, so surely it takes you a second or so to move your hand to the mouse, then point and click. I guess you might accidentally type 3 or 5 instead of 4, for me that isn't an issue since I have use a syntax highlighter. Maybe you don't want the highlighter though, since it would add another script... Up to you! It'd take maybe 5 minutes to write a script to add a ~~~~ link above the edit window — MusikAnimal ^talk 20:44, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

I'll see how it goes and let you know if I want to use a script. Thanks for the offer.--Bbb23 (talk) 20:53, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

I've turned the edit toolbar back on. I didn't see any difference between on and off in the underlying delay issue, so I'd rather have the icon to click on. It was worth a try, though. Thanks.--Bbb23 (talk) 20:14, 7 March 2016 (UTC)

Tech News: 2016-10

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

• Files on Wikimedia Commons can now be 2 GB big. The old limit was 1 GB. [1]
• Welcome notifications now have a different symbol. English Wikipedia already had this one. [2]
• The Wikimedia memory cache servers in the Eqiad cluster have now been upgraded to Debian 8 (Jessie). Some users might have had to log in again because of this. [3]
• It is now easier to categorize images uploaded to Wikimedia Commons in the Commons Android app. [4]
• Bare attributes in tags now parse according to the HTML5 specifications. <pages from= to= section=1> will parse as <pages from="to=" section="1"> instead of <pages from="" to="" section="1"> as it used to. Please use <pages from="" to="" section=1> or <pages section=1> instead. This is mostly likely to affect pages on Wikisource projects. [5]

Problems

• Phabricator has been a bit unstable lately. This should be fixed now. [6]
• The PageView API shows wrong data between 23 February and 29 February for pages with special characters in their title. [7]
• The parsing change mentioned above caused a large number of pages to break, especially on Wikisource. [8]
• You may see falsely formatted edit links on both mobile and desktop devices. Mobile devices can also show incorrect formatted table of contents. This should be fixed soon. [9]
• Templates using TemplateData that were edited with the visual editor might have some problems in wikitext mode. This can be fixed by editing and saving the page by using the visual editor without making any changes. [10]

Changes this week

• Cross-wiki notifications will be enabled as a beta feature on all wikis on 10 March. You will be able to get notifications when something happens on another Wikimedia wiki. [11]
• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 8 March. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 9 March. It will be on all wikis from 10 March (calendar).
• Wikivoyages will get the Kartographer extension. Kartographer will allow <mapframe> and <maplink> tags in an article to insert an interactive map and overlay it with different markers. You can add ideas and suggestions to the Maps talk page. If you find any bugs, you can report them in Phabricator. [12]

Meetings

• You can join the next meeting with the VisualEditor team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 8 March at 20:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes

• The buttons in interfaces will be simplified. Instead of white, red, green and blue buttons, in future there will only be white, red and blue ones. [13]
• The Wikimedia technical operations team plans to do some server work on 22 March. This could cause some problems, for example make it possible to read but not edit the Wikimedia wikis for a short period of time. The date for this might change. [14]

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Requesting AWB

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A barnstar for you!

	The Admin's Barnstar
	because i can give one. Winterysteppe (talk) 16:42, 8 March 2016 (UTC)

Thanks! :) — MusikAnimal ^talk 17:23, 8 March 2016 (UTC)

Or I guess you already gave one... no problem, with another, I suppose! — MusikAnimal ^talk 17:23, 8 March 2016 (UTC)

Appian Way Productions

Can you protect Appian Way Productions until April 26, 2016 at 09:52? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chumperjack (talk • contribs) 01:23, 10 March 2016 (UTC)

This is a good article with clearly notable subject. I don't think a redirect is appropriate. You can discuss this with other page watchers at Talk:Appian Way Productions — MusikAnimal ^talk 06:54, 10 March 2016 (UTC)

A Dobos torte for you!

7&6=thirteen (☎) has given you a Dobos torte to enjoy! Seven layers of fun because you deserve it. To give a Dobos torte and spread the WikiLove, just place {{subst:Dobos Torte}} on someone else's talkpage, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend.

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Yums, thank you! — MusikAnimal ^talk 17:53, 10 March 2016 (UTC)

They say in virtual form is low fat. Makes me hungry. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 17:54, 10 March 2016 (UTC)

March 16: WikiWednesday Salon and Skill-Share NYC

Wednesday March 16, 7pm: WikiWednesday Salon and Skill-Share NYC

You are invited to join the Wikimedia NYC community for our monthly "WikiWednesday" evening salon (7-9pm) and knowledge-sharing workshop at Babycastles gallery by 14th Street / Union Square in Manhattan. We will include a look at the organization and planning for our chapter, and expanding volunteer roles for both regular Wikipedia editors and new participants. We will also follow up on plans for recent (Art+Feminism!) and upcoming edit-a-thons, and other outreach activities. We welcome the participation of our friends from the Free Culture movement and from all educational and cultural institutions interested in developing free knowledge projects. We will also vote on nominations for the global Wikimedia Foundation board. After the main meeting, pizza/chicken/vegetables and refreshments and video games in the gallery! Wednesday March 16 WikiWednesday Salon and Skill-Share NYC (RSVP on-wiki or at meetup.com). 7:00pm - 9:00 pm at Babycastles gallery, 137 West 14th Street We especially encourage folks to add your 5-minute lightning talks to our roster, and otherwise join in the "open space" experience! (One likely talk this month will be on the Wikidata project.) Newcomers are very welcome! Bring your friends and colleagues! --Pharos (talk) 17:59, 10 March 2016 (UTC)

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How do you track them?

Hi MusikAnimal. Thanks for this. How do you track vandals who have to be blocked but whose names have not yet come up on the AIV noticeboard? Is there any tool you have which tracks the same? Thanks. Xender Lourdes (talk) 17:56, 10 March 2016 (UTC)

They were reported at AIV. No secret tool, unfortunately :) — MusikAnimal ^talk 18:22, 10 March 2016 (UTC)

Thanks :-) Xender Lourdes (talk) 01:43, 11 March 2016 (UTC)

Pageviews - unique?

Does the pageviews analysis tool count unique hits? In other words if a user clicks on the same page twice in the same day, is that counted twice or once? Thanks. --Peaceworld 07:37, 8 March 2016 (UTC)

@Peaceworld111: Fair question... but I'm going to assume that is not unique and records every hit. They (WMF) would have to record IP addresses and compare/contrast with every page load, which I doubt they're doing. I haven't tried, but you could create some random page in your userspace and hit refresh say 50 times, and see if it shows up the next day. The likelihood that 50 individual users viewed that page would be very low, so should be able to tell you whether or not it is unique. Hope this helps — MusikAnimal ^talk 23:46, 9 March 2016 (UTC)

Thanks a lot. From my experience it seems that its unique.--Peaceworld 06:39, 11 March 2016 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Fleet#Last_survivors

I contributed the above article to Wikipedia on 23 August 2014 and made four edits to it. I was still actively editing the article when it was deleted by an admin, just sixteen minutes after I first added it. I thought I was being helpful and I was staggered that anyone would be so aggressive as to completely remove my work from Wikipedia. I had to reinstate my edits several times and go to talk pages before the behaviour eventually stopped and the article was allowed to remain. Five days later another author joined the article and made some contributions and together we cleaned up the article. Someone very helpful did come along a little later and improve the citation considerably. This is the power of Internet collaboration. The Wikipedia Admins could have been helpful and used their skills to help with the original article or point out where the citation where needed, but instead they chose a path that can best be described as rude and unhelpful. I just walked away form the article in frustration.

On March 1st, just past, I revisited the page and found that a new author had contributed to the article. In the article the people listed are in chronological order from first-to-die to last-to-die. The additional contribution was in the wrong chronological order, so I corrected the order. I thought a simple and acceptable correction. It took just four minutes and my new contribution was removed and I was accused of vandalising the page. This is incredibly aggressive behaviour.

Again, it took several reinstalls and discussion in the talk pages to stop the aggression and allow my simple correction to stand. Three different moderators jumped in without reading to preceding discussion and removed the change. Two hours later the original change was allowed without any modification. The interference and aggression by the admins had been unnecessary.

On the ninth of March I made another edit. Again, the change is undone, claiming that the deletion was justified because citation was not provided. The {{citation needed}} protocol could have and should have been used instead of yet another aggressive removal. Again, I am forced to resort to the now familiar reinstate and attempt to use the talk pages to stem the aggressive moderation. But this stage I have lost patience to the admins. My edit added an occupation to "John McCarthy" in exactly the same way the occupation has been added to "Samuel King".

Several attempts later I finally reinstate the text with the {{citation needed}} protocol - which is in line with Wikipedia policies, I find yet another moderator - one who has not been part of any previous discussion - has stepped in an accused me of disruptive editing. No reasonable person can say that my three contributions were harmful to Wikipedia. Yet all three were completely removed from Wikipedia at the time they were made. The only "justification" for this behaviour by Admins - incorrect citation. The correct Wikipedia protocol "citation needed" was never used. All the other allegation made by Admins have been false.

I am flabbergasted by the aggressive moderation and the unhelpful, untrue accusations and the threats and punitive action. Simply because I made three contributions to a small article on one page. It cannot help Wikipedia to have moderators who are this aggressive. If every new author to Wikipedia is treated this way it’s a wonder anyone bothers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 147.69.5.63 (talk) 20:19, 10 March 2016‎ (UTC)

I don't have time to read into this too much, to be honest. In short, the content you added was challenged, so you must add a citation. Simply adding {{citation needed}} does not cut it — MusikAnimal ^talk 20:31, 10 March 2016 (UTC)

That is not acceptable. You jumped in and took punitive action, so make the time -- or stay out of it altogether. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 147.69.5.63 (talk) 20:53, 10 March 2016‎ (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Precisely what "punitive action" was taken? General Ization ^Talk 21:55, 10 March 2016 (UTC)

There is nothing in the Deletion Policy that empowers an Administrator to delete and entire article within 16 minutes of publication just because it lacks citation. Although Wikipedia policy does require citation of anything that might be challenged, it also cautions Admins to use common sense. "Any material lacking a reliable source directly supporting it may be removed and should not be restored without an inline citation to a reliable source. Whether and how quickly material should be initially removed for not having an inline citation to a reliable source depends on the material and the overall state of the article. In some cases, editors may object if you remove material without giving them time to provide references; consider adding a citation needed tag as an interim step.[3] When tagging or removing material for lacking an inline citation, please state your concern that it may not be possible to find a published reliable source for the content, and therefore it may not be verifiable.[4] If you think the material is verifiable, you are encouraged to provide an inline citation yourself before considering whether to remove or tag it.[15]. Simply removing every edit is aggressive Administration. I made three contributions - as explained above. All three add something to Wikipedia (IMHO). There was no vandalism or any of the other crap I was accused of. All three contributions were deleted - very quickly - within minutes of the contribution. The fact that some Admins do not see that as a problem is in itself alarming. You should take the time to review this situation and you should properly consider/reconsider the approach you are taking. I do not believe any of the contributions warranted total removal. A simple, polite request for improvement would have been sufficient. But to remove every contribution - and instantly - that is close to censoring. To then step in and block every unregistered editor - and punish a whole group of users - just to trump a dispute - that is extremely punitive. So I am asking for a review and a more common-sense, business-like approach from Wikipedia. As a general comment to Admin I would ask you to review your own actions, work with authors and tone down the aggression. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 147.69.137.111 (talk) 14:39, 11 March 2016‎ (UTC)

I understand your concern, allow me to explain. First off, the article was not deleted, nor were your edits – they are still in the revision history. The content dispute is beyond the scope of my involvement. I can tell you, however, that if the material you added was challenged, especially by multiple editors, then you must add a reference, plain and simple. This is part of our core policy of verifiability, and I'm afraid that is not up for debate. Further reading at WP:PROVEIT, which I take it you've reviewed. It appears you were repeatedly warned about this, starting with a polite message. Whether or not others were being aggressive toward you or hastily reverting your edits I am not sure – but that's something you need to take up with them and not me. The best course of action would be to simply discuss your concerns regarding the content (not other editors) on the article talk page. Nevermind policies and guidelines, let's learn why you think the content is appropriate and how we can find a reference to support it. That's what the talk page is for.

To be clear, I don't know or have any particular interest in the subject of First Fleet. I stepped in only to put a stop to the disruptive editing, which was not limited to addition of unsourced content. There were numerous acts of vandalism [16][17][18][19] over the past week or so. Coupled with the back-and-forth editing, any sensible administrator is going to see this page as an ideal candidate for semi-protection. I'm sorry you got dragged in with the rest of the disruption. The protection expires on 17 March. In the meantime the talk page is open for discussion, and you are also free to make a protected edit request: just go here and click on the big blue button. Sorry I'm unable to make the situation more favourable — MusikAnimal ^talk 15:55, 11 March 2016 (UTC)

Ok, a bit technical to say moved to history not deleted - still equals removed from public page. It would be nice if Admin waited for a challenge, or even waited 24 hours for the article to be finished. Anyway, I done with trying to deal with all of this. I have collated my thoughts here for future reference. Thank you for your replies. You are welcome to remove this talk from your page if you wish, or transfer your thoughts to be with mine if you wish, or just archive the whole thing.

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This week's article for improvement (week 11, 2016)

A typical Swedish school lunch. Hello, MusikAnimal. The following is WikiProject Today's articles for improvement's weekly selection: Lunch Please be bold and help to improve this article! Previous selections: People • Music of Africa Get involved with the TAFI project. You can: Nominate an article • Review nominations Posted by: MusikBot talk 00:06, 14 March 2016 (UTC) using MediaWiki message delivery (talk) on behalf of WikiProject TAFI •

You are invited to discuss a controversial article you edited previously

You are invited to comment on the article "List of expeditions ordered by Muhammad" in the Wikipedia Administrators Notice Board. Your input is highly valued as you edited this article previously.

Click here: Controversial Islamic Article-90% of page wiped out by Muslims, possible bias to comment--Misconceptions2 (talk) 03:33, 14 March 2016 (UTC)

Images uploaded by me have been wrongly nominated for deletion... plz help

Plz refer to the discussion given on this link. Considering the permission that I have mentioned in the above discussion, do u think that the image given on this link deserves to be deleted? I am not inclined to request the original creator of this image for a special permission of reuse, simply becoz I think the creator's website already mentions such permission. Plz guide me. Peoplesecurity (talk) 09:26, 13 March 2016 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) The permission given by the creator only allows reuse for "media use" (whatever that means), but also explicitly states "They are protected by copyright for all other commercial purposes." That alone disqualify the images to be hosted on Commons. Only images with licences permitting use for all uses, non-commercial and commercial, are allowed there, see c:Commons:Licensing for details. So yes, they will be deleted unless the creator releases the images under a compatible licence. -- [[User:Edokter]] {{talk}} 12:54, 13 March 2016 (UTC)

All right.. I get it. Just a few more doubts and I wont disturb u again- 1. Without obtaining any special permission through email, can I upload the Beach volleyball image seen in the above link, on Wikipedia, instead of Wikimedia?

2. Ive found that the images uploaded by this user, some of whose pics I had cropped, have also been nominated for deletion. While all other are Beach Volleyball pics, one pic is of Indian Navy and I'm posting it here. The permission stated on this file is valid for all types (see the second last bullet point given on Indian Navy webpage). Do u think even this pic cannot be uploaded on Wikimedia (under CC-3.0 or any other lisence)? And can it be uploaded on Wikipedia, instead of Wikimedia? Thanks. Peoplesecurity (talk) 15:09, 13 March 2016 (UTC)

1. Wikipedia allows uploads that are not alowed on Commons (the actual name of the site; 'Wikimedia' is the organization), but only under certain conditions. It has to match the criteria listed in Wikipedia:Non-free content criteria.

2. The Indian Navy image is somewhat ambiguous. The main concern is that the real owner cannot be established. There is somewhat to be said for both sides. -- [[User:Edokter]] {{talk}} 13:37, 14 March 2016 (UTC)

Tech News: 2016-11

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• The mobile web interface no longer suggests HiDPI thumbnails. This is to take up less bandwidth on slow or expensive connections. [20]
• The search engine on wikipedia.org has been updated. [21]

Changes this week

• Wikimedia has a new backup data center in Dallas. Because of planned work on this, you will be able to read but not edit the wikis for a short period of time on both 22 March and 24 March. This could be postponed to April 18. You might lose edits if you try to save during this time. Because of a test, there will also be a couple of minutes where you can't edit the wikis on 15 March starting 07:00 UTC. You can read more about the server work. There will be more notifications and updates about this.
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18:37, 14 March 2016 (UTC)

Hello from Dhrm77

Hi,

For the last few months, I have been very active on Wikipedia, and have reverted quite a bit of vandalism around the pages I watch, mostly number pages. I would like to request some type of permission, I am not quite sure which one would be best. What I would like, when reverting vandalism, is to be able to issue the next level of warning to the IP or user that caused the vandalism, and possibly a way to block that account or automate the request to block. I have issued one warning, once or twice (I think), just by copying another warning, but I don't think that was done the right way. Thanks in advance. Dhrm77 (talk) 23:26, 9 March 2016 (UTC)

@Dhrm77: Sorry it took so long to get back to you! You don't need to remember our copy/paste all those templates, instead use Twinkle! The "Warn" module can be accessed from TW > Warn when viewing someone's talk page. Select the type of warning and severity them hit Submit. If they've already received a level 4 warning, or you think the vandalism is severe enough, you can report them to AIV using TW > ARV. Hope this helps! — MusikAnimal ^talk 14:28, 13 March 2016 (UTC)

Thanks, I have started to use Twinkle, and it's great in most cases. I haven't found the right reason for a revert in the case where what has been added isn't quite vandalism, isn't quite disruptive, but is more on the side of information that isn't quite right (see recent edits to 159 (number)). Dhrm77 (talk) 22:30, 14 March 2016 (UTC)

FIFA (video game series)

Two edits by IP were good; the rest were bad. Extend PC? --George Ho (talk) 05:52, 16 March 2016 (UTC)

A couple things to check on

Hello MA. I hope that you are well. When you get a chance would you please make any fixes to the template at Sukhumi to get it out of the category. At an ANI thread I stated that I wouldn't edit that page anymore and I don't want to go back on that to make the necessary fix. I also wanted to let you know that your bot is still humming along with one exception. That is when the template {{pp}} is used. I should add that I only see it being left at the various ref desk pages. You might be aware that this troll's actions necessitates temporary protections being applied. After the protection expires the other protection templates get removed in short order by the bot but when the {{pp}} is used it doesn't. I have left for up to a day to see if it will get removed but it hasn't. Whether it has something to do with the template of the fact of its use on ref desks I wouldn't know but I thought I should make you aware of it. Cheers. MarnetteD|Talk 14:24, 10 March 2016 (UTC)

@MarnetteD: Hey! Sorry for the super, super delayed reply... I've been extremely busy as of late. Guessing you got Sukhumi sorted out. The bot should remove any {{pp}}'s when there is no accompanying protection. Would you mind writing me when this comes up again (and the template is still on the page)? Many thanks, and hope all is well — MusikAnimal ^talk 15:49, 16 March 2016 (UTC)

Never any worries about delayed replies M. I know how life on WikiP and off can get busy. The Sukhumi article was in the cat this morning but wasn't when I checked it just now. Weird :-/ The "pp" item hasn't happened since I posted this but I will let ya know if it pops up again. Cheers. MarnetteD|Talk 17:52, 16 March 2016 (UTC)

range contributions tool down?

Hey - I'm getting a persistent 404 error on the XTools range contribution tool, and that's the only one that works. Is it gone or is it drunk on green beer or am I asking the wrong guy although your name is first on the list and you're drunk on green beer too? _{and green beer is DISGUSTING} Katie^talk 15:02, 17 March 2016 (UTC)

@KrakatoaKatie: Not drunk on green beer... yet! Give it another try, just rebooted everything — MusikAnimal ^talk 15:41, 17 March 2016 (UTC)

In Norman there's an Irish pub/bar called O'Connell's that used to be located catty-corner from the stadium (they had to move to the other side of campus to make room for construction of the new athletic dorm, because OU, but it's still around because it's a Norman institution). They don't do this anymore because the liquor laws have changed, but when I was a student they always gave away green beer from 0700-1000 on March 17. Free. You've never seen such crowds at a bar at 0700, a couple thousand people eating green eggs and ham with green beer. It got to be such a problem that OU moved spring break to cover St. Patrick's Day specifically because of drunk students showing up to class, getting sick in the classrooms and halls and generally being stupid. So I have a certain opinion of green beer. ;-) Anyway, you're a steely-eyed missile man - it works again, so thanks! Katie^talk 16:01, 17 March 2016 (UTC)

Haha wow, I can see why you would associate green beer with broken tools, and broken tools with green beer =P I hope to not get that out of hand later this evening, but it wouldn't be St. Patty's without a few Irish Car Bombs :) Anytime the tools go down don't hesitate to ping me. They automatically restart I think three times a day, but sometimes that's not enough. Cheers — MusikAnimal ^talk 18:12, 17 March 2016 (UTC)

A Barnstar for You!

		The New Page Patroller's Barnstar
		For your work at Autopatrolled as it seems underappreciated. :) Fritzmann2002 17:43, 17 March 2016 (UTC)

Thanks! I try to not let it get too backlogged — MusikAnimal ^talk 20:40, 17 March 2016 (UTC)

User:Ethanlu121

This user is pretty rude about his talk page. He claims that it is his talk page and nobody else's. If someone posts something on there, he'll delete it, while saying that it's his talk page. And now this same guy wants to be a reviewer. What do you think about him? Peter Sam Fan | chat? 18:14, 17 March 2016 (UTC)

I do not claim that my talk page is "mine", and I do not claim that I will delete something posted on my talk page. Ethanlu121 (talk) 18:16, 17 March 2016 (UTC)

Well, I was looking at your talk page history, and it looked like it. However, I'm leaving the judging to MusikAnimal. (If he thinks I'm wrong, then I think I'll give you a Purple Barnstar.) Peter Sam Fan | chat? 18:19, 17 March 2016 (UTC)

While this behaviour may not be particularly conducive to collaboration, Ethanlu121 is free to blank any messages on their talk page (with some exceptions). Whether this will carry any weight in them becoming a reviewer I can't say yet — MusikAnimal ^talk 20:40, 17 March 2016 (UTC)

Thank You

I would like to thank you for the work you do everyday. Contributors like yourself are hard-working people who want Wikipedia to be a place of information, and not a place to goof off. It's people like you that make Wikipedia a better place. So, thank you, Musik Animal — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.183.194.138 (talk • contribs) 21:24, 17 March 2016 (UTC)

And thank you for your contributions! :) — MusikAnimal ^talk 21:51, 17 March 2016 (UTC)

Hello.

Hello MusikAnimal. I am aware that it has only been two weeks since I asked for my rollback to be revoked, but after those two weeks of careful consideration, I believe I am ready to request these rights again. I would like to return to counter-vandalism, although this will be gradual - therefore I will not use Huggle or STiki until at least April or May, depending on when I feel I am ready to use even faster tools.

I will leave the final decision up to you, although I am wondering whether or not I would have to re-apply at WP:PERM? Or is this informal request acceptable? I fully understand if you feel that this request has been made too early. Kindest regards, --Ches (talk) 12:03, 19 March 2016 (UTC)

Clarification

"I envision Widr's propserity in this regard will be nothing short of prolific."

What does propserity mean? Eric Corbett 23:26, 18 March 2016 (UTC)

It seems quite obvious that it's a misspelling of "posterity", meaning that Widr will have a prolific number of offspring if given the tools. Duh.Anythingyouwant (talk) 23:50, 18 March 2016 (UTC)

Hahaha very funny! Indeed Widr felt he needed a mop before bring new lives into this world, I suppose that's the responsible thing to do :) Typo fixed (to prosperity), thank you! — MusikAnimal ^talk 14:53, 19 March 2016 (UTC)

Helpee needs assistance with an edit war.

I just had a recent discussion with a person on IRC, who wanted me to help them with their edit war that they alleged another user started on https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_expeditions_of_Muhammad&action=history. The user alleges that they're SG Gayashan. Grognard Extraordinaire Chess (talk) Ping when replying 03:05, 19 March 2016 (UTC)

Also please tell me why delete my userpage? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sajithgayashan (talk • contribs) 03:10, 19 March 2016 (UTC)

Still he is edit war. --DJ SG Gayashan 15:48, 19 March 2016 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by DJ SG Gayashan (talk • contribs)

Extended full protection. Not sure if we have abuse of multiple accounts here, so not going to block — MusikAnimal ^talk 16:12, 19 March 2016 (UTC)

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Disruptive editing at List of expeditions of Muhammad

Pinging you directly since it sounds like you were planning to keep an eye on this article. We've reached a consensus to make several changes in the course of a long discussion (see section "Proposal"). However, now we have multiple editors who have not contributed to the discussion edit warring to revert to a version which goes against the consensus. Eperoton (talk) 16:09, 19 March 2016 (UTC)

You'll need to make a protected edit request. Editors of that page there (including experienced ones) appear to be unable to work together. I'm not inclined to lift protection — MusikAnimal ^talk 16:11, 19 March 2016 (UTC)

The agreed-upon changes are pretty extensive and time-consuming. I doubt an admin would volunteer to make them. Could you semi-protect the article and warn non-cooperative auto-confirmed users instead? Of the editors who've been disruptive since the protection was lifted none are "experienced". One is an IP user and the other has 15 live edits (aside from sockpuppetry). The other currently active editors have participated in the discussion that yielded consensus. Thanks. Eperoton (talk) 16:40, 19 March 2016 (UTC)

I'm seeing seasoned editors at odds with others, but the newbies have just as much right to participate. Blocks should probably have already happened by now, but all things considered protection seems most appropriate. Rest assured the admins who patrol protected edit requests know what they're doing. Sorry I'm unable to help further — MusikAnimal ^talk 18:32, 19 March 2016 (UTC)

I'm disengaging from this article, but here's a parting observation. The revision currently locked in reflects the results of 1) unexplained reverting, 2) edit warring without participation in TP discussions, and probably 3) previously demonstrated offsite canvassing. Is that really the type of behavior you'd like to get the upper hand here? Eperoton (talk) 23:52, 19 March 2016 (UTC)

How can I see a "comprehensive" list of my contributions?

I know that there are tools on Wikimedia labs or something that can show pie charts and stuff. I mean, i would enter my name and poof the contributions would appear. Do you know where it is? Thanks in advance. Winterysteppe (talk) 15:34, 20 March 2016 (UTC)

@Winterysteppe: The full list of your contributions is at Special:Contribs/Winterysteppe. Is that what you're looking for? You can also filter by namespace, date, etc — MusikAnimal ^talk 15:50, 20 March 2016 (UTC)

You mean like this link? It's Edit count at the bottom of your contribution page. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 15:51, 20 March 2016 (UTC)

Thanks both of you. Although i was more or less looking at Liz's thing. Thanks Winterysteppe (talk) 16:13, 20 March 2016 (UTC)

Previous Version

Hello, editors who were actively participating talk page of the article List of expeditions of Muhammad ﷺ agreed that it was the onus of the controversial editor to justify his inclusion of controversial materials, over here Talk:List of expeditions of Muhammad ﷺ. I am therefore requesting that the article be reverted to it's previous version without the controversial materials included, at least until the dispute is resolved. Here is a version of it [24]. Cheers, Xtremedood (talk) 06:22, 20 March 2016 (UTC)

@Eperoton and Xtremedood: I'm sorry, there's so many factors at play here. A consensus is not immediately obvious looking at the talk page. We need formal closure. Please seek dispute resolution. The protection is to stay for now, and I've informed all who are involved about discretionary sanctions that apply to this page — MusikAnimal ^talk 17:41, 20 March 2016 (UTC)

This week's article for improvement (week 12, 2016)

Critic by Lajos Tihanyi. Oil on canvas, c.1916. Hello, MusikAnimal. The following is WikiProject Today's articles for improvement's weekly selection: Critic Please be bold and help to improve this article! Previous selections: Lunch • People Get involved with the TAFI project. You can: Nominate an article • Review nominations Posted by: MusikBot talk 00:07, 21 March 2016 (UTC) using MediaWiki message delivery (talk) on behalf of WikiProject TAFI •

Edit Counter stuck in loop

Hi MusikAnimal. For the past few days Edit Counter has been slow and today it only goes to an empty search box page. Putting in a user name and searching just loads up another empty search box. Ping me back. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk} 22:43, 20 March 2016 (UTC)
UPDATE: I just noticed this: [error::mq] Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk} 22:49, 20 March 2016 (UTC)

Seems to be working for me, using the link you provided. If has been going slow lately, it's probably because it keeps running out of RAM from people running queries on our current admin candidate who has 200,000+ contributions :) — MusikAnimal ^talk 01:38, 21 March 2016 (UTC)

RfA

Stellar nomination, and I mean your nom itself. Thanks for doing the statistical work ahead of time to separate and analyze the nature of the non-automated edits. That probably forestalled an enormous amount of bickering and cross-talk.  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽^ʌⱷ҅_ᴥⱷ^ʌ≼  04:33, 21 March 2016 (UTC)

Tech News: 2016-12

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Problems

• Wikimedia has a new backup data center in Dallas. The Wikimedia Technology department planned to test it this week. This will take place the week of April 18 instead. You can read more about the server work. There will be more notifications and updates about this.
• In Firefox, the visual editor would sometimes just jump down to the bottom of the page when you double-clicked on a table cell. This has now been fixed. [25]

Changes this week

• It will now be easier to list IP addresses that don't have to solve CAPTCHAs. [26]
• You will now be able to mark Echo notifications as unread. [27]
• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 21 March. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 22 March. It will be on all wikis from 23 March (calendar).

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• You can join the next meeting with the VisualEditor team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 22 March at 19:00 (UTC). See how to join.

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• URLs in the recent changes IRC feed will no longer be rewritten to unencrypted HTTP. This could be a breaking change for bots dependent on the IRC feed. This will happen on May 2. [28]

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16:04, 21 March 2016 (UTC)

Can u help me to improve my page & get approved

Hi,

its a pending since a long time, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:SysTools. Have a look, suggest & get approved — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anuraag Singh (talk • contribs) 11:35, 16 March 2016 (UTC)

@Anuraag Singh: You need to submit it for review, otherwise the reviewers will never find it. I've added the appropriate template to your draft, so it is now pending review. I see that the backlog is not terribly long, so you should hear something soon. Sorry I'm not able to myself do the review, I'm quite busy with other matters. Best — MusikAnimal ^talk 15:55, 16 March 2016 (UTC)

m M'lore wiki (talk) 17:11, 21 March 2016 (UTC)

Today's article for improvement: Critic

Hello, MusikAnimal -- I was just looking at the message saying that this week's article for improvement is Critic, and I saw that in place of an image, it has 230px really large, followed by "Wikipedia:Today's article for improvement/2016/12/picture/caption", in red, but no image. Is that just on my page, or has the image been removed, or what?  – Corinne (talk) 02:01, 22 March 2016 (UTC)

@Corinne: Not just you! No one ever specified an image at Wikipedia:Today's articles for improvement/2016/12/picture or a caption to go with it. I guess there's not much you can show visually for the concept of a "critic", but either we should probably alter the {{TAFI weekly selection notice}} to hide the markup if there's no image specified — MusikAnimal ^talk 02:25, 22 March 2016 (UTC)

Well even though his career was short lived I think of this person when I hear the word critic :-) Cheers to you both. MarnetteD|Talk 02:31, 22 March 2016 (UTC)

That's clever. ;) How about a photo of a well-known movie critic or theater critic?  – Corinne (talk) 02:37, 22 March 2016 (UTC)

Ha, nice one MarnetteD! :) Corinne feel free to add whatever image you deem appropriate! Frankly I'm happy with the image on the page, File:Tihanyi_The_Critic.jpg. To add a photo just put the file name there without the brackets around it, as with [29]. Not sure why Qwertyxp2000 reverted themselves and removed the image — MusikAnimal ^talk 03:06, 22 March 2016 (UTC)

I didn't realize there was an image in the article; I hadn't even looked at the article yet. I think it's all right.  – Corinne (talk) 03:38, 22 March 2016 (UTC)

I thought it may not seem a good an image, but oh well. You can just get that image back. Qwertyxp2000 (talk | contribs) 04:03, 22 March 2016 (UTC)

Done, and I added the caption. I agree it isn't the best image, but something is better than nothing I guess. We could change {{TAFI weekly selection notice}} to hide the markup if a relevant picture/caption is not provided, but I'll leave that to the template editors — MusikAnimal ^talk 04:13, 22 March 2016 (UTC)

IP edits by blocked user

Hi again M. I noticed your block of Freecomwireless (talk · contribs) and I wanted to let you know that this person had also edited as this IP 206.248.171.204 (talk · contribs). I realize the block was for "promotional" reasons so the edits by the IP may not be grounds for a block but I did want to make you aware of the situation just in case. Best regards. MarnetteD|Talk 16:14, 22 March 2016 (UTC)

Warned about edit warring, continued disruption warrants a block, I think. Thanks — MusikAnimal ^talk 16:21, 22 March 2016 (UTC)

Zoupan

Hello MA. My edits to the page of Marin Getaldić are not unconstructive. They are correct and based on facts. It is shameful that a person like Zoupan, Serb nationalist and supporter of Milosevic's Greater Serbia is even allowed to edit articles about Croatia and people of Croatia. He continues to impose ideas of Greater Serbia and continues to ignore the facts. Serbs and Croats where at war and it seems that some people of Serbia did not change. Administrators of wikipedia should banned Zoupan from edditing articles about Croatia and people of Croatia for obvious reasons.

The best example are my eddits at Marin Getaldić page. They are based on facts. And this is a source. http://www.mathos.unios.hr/~mdjumic/uploads/diplomski/VUJ36.pdf — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.143.6.174 (talk • contribs) 18:52, 22 March 2016 (UTC)

Edit warring was the issue that I warned you about, and you persisted, now you're blocked. Please work collaboratively — MusikAnimal ^talk 19:01, 22 March 2016 (UTC)

Ref desk example

Hello M. There is finally an example of the "pp" template not being removed. Please see Wikipedia:Reference desk/Humanities where your bot hasn't removed the template even though the protection expired a few hours ago. I don't know when you will see this so a couple things may occur if some time has elapsed. First, your bot may have removed it which will be great. Second the page may have to be protected again since this desk is the one most often targeted by the trolls posts. That will probably throw everything off. As ever thanks for your time. MarnetteD|Talk 22:36, 22 March 2016 (UTC)

@MarnetteD: Thank you! I'm investigating now, leave it there for the moment if you don't mind :) — MusikAnimal ^talk 22:51, 22 March 2016 (UTC)

Fixed!! [30] [31] Thank you for all your help with this bot task, and just being friendly and awesome fellow Wikipedian in general :) — MusikAnimal ^talk 23:07, 22 March 2016 (UTC)

WootWoot. I am glad that you were able to figure out what was going on. Thanks very much for the kind words. They are much appreciated!! MarnetteD|Talk 23:35, 22 March 2016 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Original Barnstar
	For all you have done on Wikipedia, including your scripts, bots, and who knows what else. You're always there. Peter Sam Fan 23:38, 22 March 2016 (UTC)

Thank you!! Very kind, and very much appreciated! I see you're doing some great work too, keep it up :) — MusikAnimal ^talk 03:54, 23 March 2016 (UTC)

Look at this IP...

The link says it all...he's just been reported. [[32]] Peter Sam Fan 18:36, 23 March 2016 (UTC)

Bot failed to update T:TDYK

Just a note that your bot failed to rotate T:TDYK today. I have done it manually. Thanks. SSTflyer 06:01, 24 March 2016 (UTC)

@SSTflyer: I'm going to guess this is because of the Labs maintenance that was going on, which I believe is now completed. I'll keep an eye on it and make sure it runs tonight. Thanks — MusikAnimal ^talk 15:32, 24 March 2016 (UTC)

AWB request

Hello MusikAnimal. Could you, please, deal with my request here? There is some tasks I would like to do using the software. :)--Avocato (talk) 20:00, 24 March 2016 (UTC)

AutoWikiBrowser

Hey, just wondering is there any chance you could take a look at my request for AWB access? It's been sitting there a couple of days, and in the meantime I've written a few scripts, but I'm unable to use them yet. I'm asking you because you seem to be the most active there :P. Thanks :) — Omni Flames (talk contribs) 02:19, 25 March 2016 (UTC)

Wow, that was pretty fast. Thank you! — Omni Flames (talk contribs) 03:07, 25 March 2016 (UTC)

@Omni Flames: No problem. However I do kindly ask you share what tool, if any, you used here to perform stub sorting? Just want to keep toollabs:musikanimal/nonautomated_edits up-to-date :) — MusikAnimal ^talk 03:11, 25 March 2016 (UTC)

@MusikAnimal: I used this :) — Omni Flames (talk contribs) 03:13, 25 March 2016 (UTC)

@Omni Flames: You sure? I saw some other edits of yours that say using stubtagtab.js, but with this edit it reads "stub-sorting. You can help!". Looking at the source (User:MC10/stubtagtab.js), I don't see where the "You can help!" text is being inserted — MusikAnimal ^talk 03:18, 25 March 2016 (UTC)

I copied and pasted that myself haha :P — Omni Flames (talk contribs) 03:19, 25 March 2016 (UTC)

Oh okay, that explains it! Thank you for the info :) — MusikAnimal ^talk 03:20, 25 March 2016 (UTC)

Widr stats

Could you put a "all-namespace semi-automated/non-automated edit count" table for Widr using your tools, I saw the mainspace stats and remained hugely unimpressed. XTools and Supercount have been open for 2 minutes, I think and there's no show (I read your explanation, btw). Thanks. --QEDK (T 📖 C) 15:14, 24 March 2016 (UTC)

@QEDK: Non-automated contribs are much less relevant outside the mainspace, but here ya go. The numbers I tried to stress here and in my nom statement are those without the counter-vandalism tools. I don't think the percentages carry any weight really at all, with or without counter-vandalism tools. So long as there's a healthy dose of edits in the mainspace showing they're WP:HERE. The tool I created was really only to review non-automated contribs for assessing one's ability to author content (I can't show the actual contribs for Widr, not enough RAM to compute that with his high edit count!). For instance we use my tool at WP:PERM/AWB to ensure they know English well enough. With recent RfAs people have skewed these stats into something that actually reflects their intentions and capabilities within the project – which is simply wrong. They're just numbers – e.g. my non-automated percentage is at a mere 8%, but I've got a handful of GAs and a FA. I can only imagine Materialscientist is less than 1%, even with his numerous GA/FAs. Make of it what you will! — MusikAnimal ^talk 16:21, 24 March 2016 (UTC)

Thanks a lot, I haven't delved much yet but supported because the ones I consider distinguished editors have supported him. As it nears the end, I always reconsider and find time to look into their edits. And, thanks again. :) --QEDK (T 📖 C) 05:08, 25 March 2016 (UTC)

Thoughts

Hi MusikAnimal. In the section "Versions" seen here [33], would you be interested in sharing your thoughts? I'm personally done with talking to the editor who opened the thread. Maybe you could help by sharing your input? Also he opened another thread seen here in a section called "Song versions" [34]. Caden ^cool 00:07, 26 March 2016 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Special Barnstar
	May you never ever tell anyone again that you're not good with words. ;-) Thank you for everything you did during these past couple of weeks. Widr (talk) 20:24, 25 March 2016 (UTC)

Haha well, I guess it just takes me a while to compose them. My nom was several days in the making, and I still got complaints. Truthfully you didn't need it either, your RfA would have easily passed without my involvement, but I sure do feel privileged I got to be a part of it :) Congrats and thank you for the WikiLove. Cheers! 🍻 — MusikAnimal ^talk 01:03, 26 March 2016 (UTC)

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