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Please stop editing the links to the article about Melanie de Jesus dos Santos so her full name can be displayed. This makes absolutely no difference to the articles other than make the tables look ugly. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.135.161.1 (talk) 15:21, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

@200.135.161.1: I'm sorry you find Mélanie de Jesus dos Santos' name too long and think it makes tables "look ugly", but that is her name (as used on social media and on her FIG license), so I don't think tables looking ugly is a good enough reason not to use her given name.

I agree with the unsigned comment. It might be her given name in FIG competitions, but FIG also credits Bruna Leal as KUROIWA YAMAMOTO LEAL Bruna (link to her profile) and I've never seen it being credited anywhere like this. Also, Milka Gehani is credited as ELPITIYA BADALGE DONA Milka Gehani (link to her profile) and it would be unpractical to credit her name like this anywhere. As a final note, whenever Mélanie dos Santos' name is mentioned, there is a link to her article where her full name can be seen and is displayed, so no harm is caused to the gymnast and it's impossible for anyone to confuse her name for any other gymnast. Common sense goes a long way here. -- ThiagoSimoes (talk) 16:06, 13 November 2019 (UTC)

@ThiagoSimoes: Another reason in favor of using "De Jesus Dos Santos" in full is because that is how it is used in media as well. When being referred to by only last name, she is never referred to by "Dos Santos"; it is always the full "De Jesus Dos Santos". (Olympic Channel, FIG Website, French Language Source, Intl Gymnast magazine). So in short, she never seems to be referred to as just "Mélanie dos Santos" so I don't see why she should be referred to as such on the FIG World Cup pages. -- Mypurplelightsaber 16:57, 24 November 2019 (UTC)

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I noticed that Catyneill recently created the the 2020 L'International Gymnix article.

My first thought was to add a link to Gymnix article and to the L'International Gymnix series of events. As an administrator on the English language Wikipedia, I can see that "Gymnix" and "L'International Gymnix" articles have never been created.

It would appear to me that the Gymnix series does not pass the WP:EVENT test for notability and as an organization does not pass the WP:CORPDEPTH test.

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About this Wikipedia page: FIG_Artistic_Gymnastics_World_Cup_series_–_2020_Summer_Olympics_Qualification Are you sure that the points for the world cup are re-distributed for the purpose of the last quota place? I couldn't find any official source for that. Wouldn't they simply use these rankings: https://www.gymnastics.sport/site/rankings/ranking_mag.php

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Hello, I understand your concern about my inclusion of domestic tournaments in Japan, China & Russia in the season's best scores. However, since these are very dominant countries with many strong competitors, many of them don't have chance to perform in international stage, therefore such comparison would be much less comprehensive and fair. I asked people working or competing in gymnastics in Japan & China and they said that their scoring systems are the same as the FIG. And if you compare the results of specific gymnasts like Daiki Hashimoto or Zhang Boheng, you would see that their domestic and international results in each apparatus are in stable ranges (if they don't make any big mistakes of course). It also should be noticed that both of them could have their best results in international stage: for Hashimoto, he achieved 88.465 at Olympic AA Final despite making mistakes in rings and vault, which costed him about 0.500-0.600 in total, or that he got 87.964 despite a fall in PH, which led to the result 0.800-1.000 lower than his usual; for Zhang, his also fell in PH at World Championships AA Final, for which he received the score about 1.000-1.200 lower than his usual, but still achieved 87.981. That being said, with their usual good routines, those two could have reached about 89.000 in total in international stage, higher than 88.565 for Zhang and 88.532 for Hashimoto in domestic competitions. Therefore, there should be no worry about Japanese and Chinese gymnasts being overscored. In other countries, however, like the US, Turkey, Ukraine...domestic results were weirdly much higher for all gymnasts, therefore I did't included those in the list, but created a "special mentions" category in 2021 Top Scorers in Men's Artistic Gymnastics. So I hope you won't make any edit to the list of men's best scores in 2021 in artistic gymnastics that would exclude domestic results in Japan, China and Russia (although I'm rethinking about the last one). It's for fairer and more comprehensive comparision.

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Have a nice day! — Preceding unsigned comment added by NguyenDuyAnh1995 (talk • contribs) 21:13, 13 April 2022 (UTC)

Hello! I understand your concern and know that while Japanese and Chinese athlete will top the lists whether we include only international or all competitions, we really only should include international competitions. Same goes for Women's Artistic Gymnastics (not including US, Russian, or Chinese domestic meets even if they are closer to "FIG" scoring than say the Romanians). It's a shame that some talented gymnasts in both MAG and WAG do not get to go to international competitions due to the depth of their national teams and therefore won't always be represented on these "top international scores" lists, but it seems to be counterproductive and not very fair to only include domestic competitions from some countries but not others. Mypurplelightsaber (talk) 23:03, 13 April 2022 (UTC)

Sorry but I have to disagree with you. The purpose of this ranking is not only for comparison, but also to show which gymnasts are the leading ones. Excluding some of the top results will not make it fairer, but hinder many strong competitors' to be known. Unfortunately the scoring systems in many countries like US, Turkey, Ukraine are not close to FIG's, but it's not necessary to ignore those in Japan and China. Also, this list honours gymnasts with their best abilities, hence the more results the more accurate people can judge them. If you look at the WAG's, most of the results are from the Olympics and World Championships, whereas this is the sport with very high risk of mistakes and falls. NguyenDuyAnh1995 (talk) 00:47, 14 April 2022 (UTC)

As for WAG, that list only includes international competitions. If we include domestic meets then for the top 20 AA scores in 2021 only Angelina Melnikova and Jade Carey would have international scores on the list with the rest getting their best score domestically. If we include one country’s domestic meets, we might as well include all domestic meets to honor those gymnasts as well.

Picking and choosing only some countries domestic events starts to get problematic. Country A & B score fairly so we should include them. Country C is sometimes fair so we should only include some of their domestic competitions. Country D is usually bad but athlete 1 gets scored fairly so we should include his domestic scores. But never include Country E’s domestic meets because they are inflated. See how convoluted that can get? It’s best to stick with just international scores and not get into the nitty gritty of possible domestic overscoring. If we just include Japan and China, we might be leaving out scores from other countries meets for routines that were FIG aligned even if the whole meet wasn’t. Mypurplelightsaber (talk) 17:18, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

Hello @NguyenDuyAnh1995: Why can only Japanese and Chinese domestic meets be taken into consideration? Why can't an Italian World Champion's domestic scores be taken into consideration when his domestic score was close to his score received at the FIG World Championships? It's one thing to want to honor Japanese and Chinese gymnasts who don't get the international experience they deserve due to the depth of their national teams. It's another to ignore non-Japanese/Chinese gymnasts who deserve the high scores they get both domestically and internationally. Please don't cherry pick domestic scores and please do show the same consideration for non-Japanese/Chinese gymnasts that you show for those J/C gymnasts with no international experience in 2021. Japan and China may have the most talented male gymnasts, but they aren't the only countries with talented MAG athletes. Mypurplelightsaber (talk) 00:57, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

Good evening! First of all I have to say that I didn't ignore gymnasts who don't come from Japan and China, because as you can see in 2021 Top Scorers in Men's Artistic Gymnastics, I also have some categories called "Special mention". Gymnasts in these are those with scores which are high enough to be in the main list, but it's also difficult to determine whether or not they were overscored. I include results from domestic tournaments in Japan and China in the main list because through several analysis and also asking some friends working for or associating with gymnastics in the 2 countries, I have concluded that almost all of the results are close to international standard or lower. For those in special mention categories, I will need time to analyze to decide whether or not to include them in the main list.

As you are asking about the result of Nicola Bartolini, it's true that his 15.100 at Italian Series A Final Six is close to his 14.966 at the World Championships. However, the later took place in late October, while the former was in mid May, more than 5 months is enough for improvement. If you take a look at his results surrounding the Final Six, you can see that in the very close period, the 15.100 is weirdly higher than all others. The international competition he participated then was the European Championships in late April, and his FX scores were stable, namely 14.500, 14.666 & 14.558, and has high accuracy of his ability at that period. Therefore, it's difficult to believe that 15.100 wasn't an overscored results, which would mean Bartolini only need half a month to jump from mid-14 to 15.100 in May, and bounced back to mid-14 in July.

Now, for the FX results in Japan, one of the countries included in the main list, I can take the example of Kazuki Minami. Unfortunately in 2021 the only international competition he participated in was the World Championships, at which he didn't perform well and hinted the disappointment on Instagram. Therefore it's hard to make comparison as for Bartolini above. However, it should be noticed that he scored 15.100 in 2019, at the Cottbus World Cup and Paris Challenge Cup, so it's not surprised if he could achieve 15.433, 15.300, 15.200, 15.166 2 years later as he was very young. Also, let's compare all of his FX results in 2019: 26-28/4: 14.633 - 14.800, 18-19/5: 14.800, 21-23/6: 15.033 - 14.800, 20-22/8: 14.900, 14-15/9: 15.100 - 15.050, 21-24/11: 15.100 - 14.866. See how consistent the FIG and Japanese judges graded him in 2019? That's one of many many examples that make me decide to include results from Japanese and Chinese domestic competitions (only national level) in the main lists.

Don't worry, I'll take a look at every national championships and put the scores that are high enough in the special mention categories, and then analyze to see if they can be on the main lists. Yahor Sharamkou might be able on the floor, but Nicola Bartolini is highly not.

18:35, 16 April 2022 (UTC) NguyenDuyAnh1995 (talk) 18:35, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

As for WAG, that list only includes international competitions. If we include domestic meets then for the top 20 AA scores in 2021 only Angelina Melnikova and Jade Carey would have international scores on the list with the rest getting their best score domestically. If we include one country’s domestic meets, we might as well include all domestic meets to honor those gymnasts as well.

Picking and choosing only some countries domestic events starts to get problematic. Country A & B score fairly so we should include them. Country C is sometimes fair so we should only include some of their domestic competitions. Country D is usually bad but athlete 1 gets scored fairly so we should include his domestic scores. But never include Country E’s domestic meets because they are inflated. See how convoluted that can get? It’s best to stick with just international scores and not get into the nitty gritty of possible domestic overscoring. If we just include Japan and China, we might be leaving out scores from other countries meets for routines that were FIG aligned even if the whole meet wasn’t. Mypurplelightsaber (talk) 01:28, 14 April 2022 (UTC)

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Hello! I saw you have been creating new gymnast pages! I have been adding competition history to existing pages but I decided to clean up the gymnastics project page and along with that I updated the requested gymnast articles Wikipedia:Requested articles/Sports#Gymnastics to include what I think is a bit more than 70 gymnasts. I'm not saying this to tell you to do anything but I honestly have no idea how many active wikipedia editors there are and if they check the project page since I found it to be a bit disorganized so I wanted to let you know that there is an opportunity to create more pages if you wish and that you don't need to search for gymnasts that apply to the notability guidelines for a while if you plan on making more pages :)

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Gymnast infoboxes

First off, thank you for the work that you're doing in the men's artistic gymnastics space. While I haven't encountered yet (I'm starting older to newer, focused right now on athletes 1932 and earlier), I noticed a recent edit you've made to Riley Loos. I saw that his infobox had the Stanford Cardinal logo with NCAA achievements. I have been working off of Simone Biles as a rough template for older men's Olympic athletes (who don't have other moving parts/competitions yet) so haven't run across anything other than the Olympic rings, which I've included. Is there any precedent or pre-existing consensus for this inclusion? Additionally, for medals earned in other competitions, are those logos included as well (e.g. Pan Am Games, USAG national championships, AAU, of course college/NCAA, etc.)? Any ideas? GauchoDude (talk) 17:15, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

Hello! I believe for the MedalCompetition part of the medaltemplate field, only the Olympic rings are used. I once attempted to add the FIG logo for World Championships but that was quickly reverted due to some sort of Wikipedia:Non-free content criteria violation. And I believe we started using the NCAA team logos for the MedalCountry field due to there not being a "flag" (like you see when the MedalCountry field is the country). Mypurplelightsaber (talk) 17:33, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

Understood. So moving (slowly) forward, once I get to the relevant NCAA information, it's consensus that we add the collegiate logo if/when applicable, and we have the Olympic logo for those who have participated and won a medal, but there are no other considerations made for Pan Am Games, Pan Am Championships, AAU Championships, Worlds, literally any other competition, etc., yes? Just want to make sure once I get there that I'm making everything according to consensus vs. getting so far down the road and then having to backtrack later on, haha. GauchoDude (talk) 18:59, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

Welp, as I got to the very first person for whom I put NCAA information for, I got this bot removal. How is it present in other gymnasts' infoboxes but I'm unable to mirror? GauchoDude (talk) 13:28, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

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Confusing edit

Why did you do this? https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Simone_Biles&diff=1189430310&oldid=1189289096 ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 20:57, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

The "Jr/Sr" portion of the table does not match the agreed upon table layout defined in WikiProject Gymnastics. Mypurplelightsaber (talk) 14:51, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

Okay, then fix that to be something intelligible. Did you read MOS:DTAB, MOS:COLHEAD, MOS:TABLECAPTION, etc.? Local consensus cannot override basic, required accessibility. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 14:52, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

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thefamouspeople as a reference

Hi Mypurplelightsaber. I noticed that you used thefamouspeople.com as a reference in Belarus at the World Artistic Gymnastics Championships. [1] Please note that the general consensus as expressed at WP:RSN is that it does not meet the reliable sourcing criteria for such information. I've gone ahead and removed it. If you disagree, let's discuss it. You may want to check WP:RSP and WP:RSN to help determine if a source is reliable. Thanks.--Hipal (talk) 16:43, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

Infobox natlteam

Thanks for your continued work on United States MAG-related articles. Had a question pop up as I think I've viewed an infobox field differently. I noticed you had recently filled out the |natlteam field with more than just the years/dates an individual was on the senior team, most recently with Brett McClure and a few others. The field, as far as I can tell, populates "Years on national team" for the infobox, which would align with dates. However, you've also been adding the team associated alongside the years, which I feel is doubled up in most/all instances via the field |country which outputs "Country represented". Is there any reason as to why we feel the need to have the country outputted multiple times in the same inbox?

I feel like the easy answer here would be years/dates in the |natlteam field (e.g. 1999–2006) and utilize the |country field as team represented (e.g. United States). Thoughts? GauchoDude (talk) 14:02, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

Removing dead references

Please don't remove dead links, like you did in Special:Diff/1243784450, without making sure the links are actually unrecoverable. For example, the first link you removed, http://www.gymcan.org/disciplines/womens-artistic-gymnastics/national-teams/ellie-black, is avaliable on the Wayback machine at https://web.archive.org/web/20151105042126/http://www.gymcan.org/disciplines/womens-artistic-gymnastics/national-teams/ellie-black. The second link, http://gymcan.org/news/details/2018_CWG_Announcement_EN, is avaliable at https://web.archive.org/web/20180226200432/http://gymcan.org:80/news/details/2018_CWG_Announcement_EN. I haven't looked at the rest. The bot is not perfect at finding archived versions of the website, so don't remove the references without checking first. — Qwerfjkltalk 12:54, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

I have reverted your edit in lieu of a response per WP:BRD. — Qwerfjkltalk 17:34, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

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