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Alcoholism

Robert, I never know how my written text is going to be translated and it is the contentious atmosphere found on the talk page of the alcoholism article that leads me to want to let you know I am not trying to be difficult with you regarding the definition section. You and I disagree on some of that (as I outlined in my reasons there) but I have respect for you and your opinion and look forward to us working together and getting that article in shape. Mr Christopher 21:39, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

Got your note on my talk. Cheers! And also I read your latest comments and replied to you on the talk page. Also, when you get a minute would you do the agree or disagree thing there, I am fine with whatever you decide, I'm just waiting for you and a few others to give us their thumbs up or down so to speak. Mr Christopher 04:22, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Hi RR, I took a crack at combining the troublesome sentences in the intro and so far other editors seem agreeable to it. I'm still holding my breath though because I want to hear from you as well. I feel like there is much more positive spirit of cooperation on the page at this point and I'm sure we can all work together to produce a better article. In fact, I'm pretty sure that we could bring it up to Featured Article status. BTW - I also wanted to thank you for making me, as a newcomer to the article, feel welcome there :) --Doc Tropics ^{Message in a bottle} 15:18, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Color me confused

I may have misread the intent of the vote at Talk:Alcoholism. I hope my comments at least made my intentions clear that:

1. We can, and probably should, archive some sections of the Talkpage, but it's generally best to keep the discussion at the article rather than move it to a new location.
2. I strongly support your move to create a new article regarding the controversy. Copy and pasting material from the Alcoholism article and talkpage will be a good way to "seed" the new project.
3. I'm glad you're taking steps to move the project forward; it seemed to be stalling out somewhat with a debate that could continue ad infinitum. --Doc Tropics ^{Message in a bottle} 22:23, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Nice work on the article(s); progress feels good, eh? I thought the IP edits were you, it seemed to fit, but could you explain (to a dummy) how you redirected it to your Username? I'd like to do the same for mine since I've forgotten to log in more than once myself :) --Doc Tropics ^{Message in a bottle} 05:34, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Hi, Doc. I'd respond on your user page, but I seem to be blocked from editing anything except this page at work, will transfer this to your page tonight.

I think that we're in agreement on this, baring some semantics. The objective of the move was to give those interested in that topic a place to discuss the issue and present their findings, where it wouldn't overwhelm the other discussions about alcoholism. Essentially I entirely split off the disease discussion to its new home. Leaving the elements of that discussion on the Alcoholism page would only serve to encourage the discussion to continue on BOTH places, which would not be good for that discussion OR the alcoholism discussions.

This move is equivalent to archiving the discussion, except that we're archiving it to its own topic where it can grow and flurrish (and maybe produce a decent article) instead of archiving it to a little-referenced sub-talk page off of the existing talk page.

We still need to leave reference to that discussion on the alcoholism page for three reasons. The first is that it'll prevent people from continuing to discuss it on the alcoholism page. The second is that we need it as a pointer to the new page. The third is that the topic of alcoholism isn't really complete without it.

Does that make sense?

I've responded on my Talkpage and at Talk:Alcoholism. I was shocked to see an unblock request on your page; based on what I've seen of your contributions I couldn't imagine you getting blocked. The fact that it was "Collateral Damage" explains all :) --Doc Tropics ^{Message in a bottle} 17:34, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your note about splitting Disease Theory of Alcoholism off from Alcoholism: I would have wailed and gnashed my teeth if you hadn't have sent it. I'm new to Alcoholism so I haven't followed the argument but I can see there's been some debate over this topic and hiving it off seems sensible to me. Nunquam Dormio 16:23, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Forging Ahead

Thanks for your excellent contributions to Alcoholism. I'm pleased to see good progress on the article itself, and not just the talkpage :) --Doc Tropics ^{Message in a bottle} 20:29, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Response

Hi...you wrote, "Hi, Doc. I'm still plugging away at the Alcoholism page. I wanted to check with you about merging the Epidemiology section with the Societal Impact section. As you know, I've been gearing the article towards a reader who has to deal with themselves, a friend, or relative who has alcoholism, and not those who have expertise in the field and probably have much better resources and strong opinions. As such, I'm thinking that the broader topic of how alcoholism effects society is secondary to that of how it effects individuals, and would like to move the epidemiology content in with the societal impact content, which exists after the treatment options. I know you had strong feelings about the placement of the epidemiology section, so I thought I'd check with you before doing that. Robert Rapplean 22:13, 12 September 2006 (UTC)"

My first thought was that this is fine, but on second thought, merging the epidemiology content with the societal impact content would diminish the medical aspects of this condition. For instance, would we do the same thing for lung cancer or for diabetes? Both have significant societal impact and both also have issues around prevalence and incidence. I think both sections are important and I don't really care if they're merged IF the differences remain distinguished. In terms of how you're gearing the article, I think you're right that some readers are very likely to be people dealing with their own personal issues (or with friends/family). This is very likely to be the majority of the readership - I'll bet the same is true for all diseases (conditions). Drgitlow 20:09, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

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Thanks for writing! I'm going to check out that podcast!--Twintone 20:19, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Cool guy

Hey there. I was reading your response on the talk page of the gateway theory, and I just want to say that it's refreshing to see non-drug users adopt a unbiased, fact-based view towards drug usage and laws in the country. If only there were more of your type!--Pyromancer102 14:04, 15 April 2007 (EST)

Alcoholism

I had the same concerns about the level of details of my edits for that page. Rather than deleting the new content; how about we move it to a Alcohol detoxification stub and link to the new article from Alcoholism?Badgettrg 17:33, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

SMART Recovery

Hi, I'm an associate of the two folks who have been trying to post a SMART Recovery page, and have been following the saga of the posts/deletes. Thank you for your efforts in discussing this with IrishGuy. It doesn't seem to have gotten the page restored, so I'd like to re-post it. His reasons seem totally spurious, so it hardly seems necessary to rewrite the page; it isn't copyright issues, it isn't cut-and-paste, and it isn't advertising. But I'd hate to ignite an edit war. Suggestions? Thanks.Redwood81 16:58, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Hi, Redwood. Unfortunately, just reposting it is, in fact, a cause for a quick delete. I'm going to have to put another more complete post on the Undelete Review page. I'll do that later today. Robert Rapplean 15:06, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Well, it's been almost a year since the re-written SMART Recovery page was posted. Again, I appreciate the information you provided. Oldefarquer (talk) 21:16, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

PE

Hello Robert. In the Alcoholism discussion page you wrote: "Pharmacological extinction specifically requires the alcoholic to drink while on naltrexone, preferably where and when they normally drink. The FDA's standard instructions specifically prevent PE from occuring, and coctailing it with antabuse is even worse. PE has a success rate of about 87% for converting serious alcoholics into people who can forget alcohol exists from one day to the next, and have no problem with drinking socially."

Do you have a reference for this statistic? If true, you would think that the method would be widespread. Thanks.Desoto10 (talk) 06:04, 26 January 2008 (UTC) I am asking because a similar number appears in both the Alcoholism and the Sinclair Method entries without reference and I would like to clean those up and provide the study references. Thanks,Desoto10 (talk) 06:07, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

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Sinclair Method Article

Hi Robert, I've been looking through (briefly) the amount of work you've been putting in ensuring that the Sinclair Method article meets guidelines. I also had a quick look at the AfD discussion. I was pretty much impartial in that discussion, I closed it procedurally after the nomination was withdrawn, and as such had no real opinion either way on the merits of the article. As such, and having only had a brief look at the article just now, I don't feel my input would be that beneficial right now. However, when I can give the article a little more time, I will pour over it in more depth, and if no-one else has given any advice or input, I'll try and help out. It's to your credit, by the way, that the article is looking in much better shape (albeit at first glances) and seems better referenced than earlier in its history. It's also to your credit that your looking for advice, so I hope you do get the feedback you need. Cheers :-) Dylanfromthenorth (talk) 20:55, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

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Sinclair Method

Hi Robert--Long time no argue! I have been editing a little on the Sinclair Method and I think it could be made much better still. The troubling part is that the bulk of the information is pulled from a couple of books, which is fine, but it makes it difficult for most to check on the sources of the statistics that are presented. I just found a decent review on naltrexone which includes the Sinclair use and I will add that soon. My goal is to minimise the dependence on the books as much as feasible, and to try to find as much literature as possible that might replace some of it. By the way, I read the expired patent and, to my amazement there were a few claims that sounded more like the Schick-Shadle (sp?) aversive method (alcohol + an emetic). Do you know if the inventors were just trying to cover all possible uses or was this part of the program in the past (or is it still part of the program?). I would be pleased if you could cast your eyes on the article sometime. Best--Desoto10 (talk) 03:38, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

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