Necessaryx

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Escheat

An obscure topic, so I thought I'd have a quick word with you before diving into the talk page of Escheat.

Basically, I am not sure I agree with you. You may have more knowledge of experience of the subject, but as far as I can see you reflect the view of the law commissioner (Charles Harpum) that escheat is a two step process. As far as I can see this is contradicted by the authorities and has no authoritative support itself.

What the case of Scmlla seems to say is that if escheat happens, the land does not become a part of the Crown Estate unless action is taken, but the freehold estate certainly vanishes. That has consequences for any leasholders (for example). My understanding of Crown Estate practice was that they granted a new fee simple, rather than attempting to transfer a (now vanished) estate.

What do you think? Francis Davey 23:07, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

Thanks! yes it is obscure, although something i am interested in because it is a dominant issue in one of my current cases. My primary sources are SCMLLA Properties and two law commission reports, so i'm afraid i could be incorrect if they are incorrect. I think there has to be a two stage process, because, for example, when property passes bona vacantia, by virtue of insolvency, that in itself can be disclaimed by the Crown, and the land then escheats. This gives a way for the Crown to allow the land to escheat, and any liabilities to cease, but clearly as demesne land they still 'own' it. However, i have no idea how this happens in practice via the Crown Estate, and at the moment have no way of checking. There is no question that the title ceases to exist, and even the recent ammendment via the Land Registration Act, accept that the title and estate cease to exist (although the old title number is kept on until the new title is registered, rather than the old title simply being closed).

My supposition, although this is not the place for supposition, is that where another person has an interest in the land, they would be in a position to acquire a greater title, on the basis that no-one (other than the Crown, and in this example the Crown have failed to take any further steps) has the right to challenge their lack of title, as there is no longer a freeholder. If no-one else has any interest in the land, there would seem to be no reason why the Crown would not wish to re-grant it. Again, I think the questions you have thrown up mean the article should be re-written, and further research is necessary, although given the SCMLLA case, that point of view should be included.

England and Wales

Thanks for the input. I encountered this only by the accident of a correction made to one of the pages I monitor. I had never bothered to look at the English law page, being more interested in the substantive law pages. The note to the correction was obviously made by a non-lawyer and fervent Welsh person hence my suspicion of NPOV when I saw the current situation. I suppose I will bite the bullet and make the correction. I would appreciate some moral support in the event there is resistance. David91 01:13, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

My apologies for disturbing you but User talk:Morwen seems to think I am talking through my hat on dividing the UK up into separate states (she hates the use of that word) and including the Isle of Man and the Channel Islands has set her vision at red. If you have a copy of Dicey and Morris or any other Conflict book to hand, could you verify this for me please. I am not going to get involved in her certainty vs mine since I have to avoid emotional situations where my blood pressure might go up suddenly. If this is too great an imposition, do not hesitate to tell me to go away. All the best. David91 10:26, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

For specificness the edits are [1] and [2]. If my skepticism (not anger) is wrong, so be it. But I thought it worth inquiring further. Morwen - Talk 10:38, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

Portal:Law selections

Greetings, fellow WikiProject Law member! One of our tasks on this WikiProject is the upkeep of Portal:Law, where we have set up a four week cycle wherein each week one of four key features - the selected article, biography, case, or image - is rotated out. Previous selections can be found at Portal:Law/former selections. Please contribute your thoughts at Portal talk:Law as to likely candidates for future rotations in each of these categories. Cheers! BD2412 T 05:03, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

WP:Hornbook -- a new WP:Law task force for the J.D. curriculum

Hi Necessaryx,

I'm asking Wikipedians who are interested in United States legal articles to take a look at WP:Hornbook, the new "JD curriculum task force".

Our mission is to assimilate into Wikipedia all the insights of an American law school education, by reducing hornbooks to footnotes.

• Each casebook will have a subpage.

• Over the course of a semester, each subpage will shift its focus to track the unfolding curriculum(s) for classes using that casebook around the country.
• It will also feature an extensive, hyperlinked "index" or "outline" to that casebook, pointing to pages, headers, or {{anchors}} in Wikipedia (example).
• Individual law schools can freely adapt our casebook outlines to the idiosyncratic curriculum devised by each individual professor.

• I'm encouraging law students around the country to create local chapters of the club I'm starting at my own law school, "Student WP:Hornbook Editors". Using WP:Hornbook as our headquarters, we're hoping to create a study group so inclusive that nobody will dare not join.

What you can do now:

1. Add WP:Hornbook to your watchlist, {{User Hornbook}} to your userpage, and ~~~~ to Wikipedia:Hornbook/participants.

2. If you're a law student,

• Email http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:Hornbook to your classmates, and tell them to do the same.
• Contact me directly via talk page or email about coordinating a chapter of "Student WP:Hornbook Editors" at your own school.

(You don't have to start the club, or even be involved in it; just help direct me to someone who might.)

3. Introduce yourself to me. Law editors on Wikipedia are a scarce commodity. Do knock on my talk page if there's an article you'd like help on.

Regards, Andrew Gradman ^talk/_WP:Hornbook 20:01, 31 July 2009 (UTC)