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Franklin child prostitution ring allegations

Please do not promote the hoax by adding "further reading" from promoters. Acroterion (talk) 12:07, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

Did you even look at the material I posted? I don’t know why you would assume bad faith in my work on the article. I added six items for further reading and two of them explain the historical fact of the conspiratorial view that existed at the time and played a role in how the events played out. Two of the items are standard mainstream press articles, one was a primary source article about a documentary, and the last was a book by an Army Officer accused in the Presidio affair which thoroughly debunks conspiracies surrounding satanic ritual abuse and elite pedophile associations. Do you suppose people can’t be trusted to learn about opposing viewpoints without uncritically accepting them? The fact that the “hoax” was believed to be true by so many is what makes it a historically relevant element of the events regardless whether the ideas themselves are true or false. Neighborhood Review (talk) 16:55, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

Yes,I did.

• You linked to DeCamp's diatribe promoting the hoax.
• You linked to Bryant's credulous account, which repeats the debunked claims made by DeCamp
• You linked to a Washington Post article that didn't directly concern the allegations, and was published before the claims were debunked
• You linked to an advocacy website, the Reisman Institute, which repeats the debunked claims
• You linked to a tangential article that briefly mentions the allegations
• And you linked to another book about an entirely separate moral panic

So, yes, you appear to be promoting a plainly debunked hoax. You are warned that a number of people that were accused are still living, and that you may be sanctioned for violations of Wikipedia's biographies of living persons policy if you do anything like that again. Acroterion (talk) 21:57, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

To expand, it looks like you're doing good work elsewhere finding publications associated with individuals. I've left the link to DeCamp's hoax promotion at his article alone, since it's directly associated with DeCamp, and there's a clear explanation of what it is in the article. But a curated list of articles about a hoax that present the hoax as fact is wholly inappropriate. Articles aren't repositories for perpetuation of accusations that are patently untrue, and which harm living people, and links to fringe points of view should be avoided, particularly if they have been found to be fabrications. Acroterion (talk) 02:16, 2 July 2021 (UTC)

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Neighborhood Review, it might not have been your intention, but you recently removed a maintenance template from the Paul Gottfried article. When removing maintenance templates, please be sure to either resolve the problem that the template refers to, or give a valid reason for the removal in the edit summary. Please see Help:Maintenance template removal for further information on when maintenance templates should or should not be removed. If this was a mistake, don't worry, as your removal of this template has been reverted. Thank you. Llll5032 (talk) 04:59, 19 February 2023 (UTC)

Hi Llll5032, it was my intention to remove the template because it seemed improperly applied to that particular section, the articles subheading under "selected works". In my personal experience on Wikipedia working mostly on bibliographies and formatting citations, it seemed out of place, but I'm happy to entertain other views, so I appreciate you reaching out to me. May I assume you placed the tag there? And may I ask what in particular are your concerns that led to the placing of the template, so we can address them? Thanks. Neighborhood Review (talk) 07:40, 20 February 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for responding, Neighborhood Review. I placed the tag because the selection criteria for the "selected works" is unclear. Wikipedia:LISTCRITERIA says list selection "should be unambiguous, objective, and supported by reliable sources". The logic for books appears to be clear, but for articles it does not. On what basis were some articles by Gottfried selected instead of other articles written by Gottfried? Llll5032 (talk) 08:01, 20 February 2023 (UTC)

Llll5032, the selection criteria you linked and quoted is for stand-alone lists, which this is not. Is there another piece of guidance you have that applies here? It seems to me that the works listed in any author's selected works section should attempt to be, among many things, a representative sampling of the author's various subjects covered, span the author's writing career from beginning to end, and demonstrate the various periodicals and publishers the author worked with. Neighborhood Review (talk) 08:24, 20 February 2023 (UTC)

Yes, Wikipedia:LISTCRITERIA is a guideline for stand-alone lists -- and it is also referred to repeatedly in the Manual of Style for all lists. Another List MOS guideline is Lists of Works and Timelines, which says, "The content of a list is governed by the same content policies as prose, including principles of due weight and avoiding original research. Ensure that list items have the same importance to the subject as would be required for the item to be included in the text of the article, according to Wikipedia policies and guidelines (including WP:Trivia sections). Consider whether prose is more appropriate." I would interpret those guidelines to mean that for Gottfried's articles (and perhaps even his books), Wikipedia:DUEWEIGHT and Wikipedia:PROPORTION policies should apply, and that the correct selection criteria would be discussion and summary by independent third-party reliable sources. Have you seen other interpretations? Llll5032 (talk) 08:39, 20 February 2023 (UTC)

That is the inclusion criteria that I typically apply, but the issue you'll find is that demonstrating the discussion or summary by third-party sources requires addition of references and citations that are not allowed in lists of works by authors. I know this because I used to include those kinds of references and was instructed not to by admins more than once. So I guess I'm wondering how you see your interpretation being applied exactly? Neighborhood Review (talk) 10:05, 20 February 2023 (UTC)

Thanks and good question. WP:NOTDIRECTORY encourages us to provide "contextual information showing encyclopedic merit", and WP:NOTDATABASE says, "To provide encyclopedic value, data should be put in context with explanations referenced to independent sources", so one solution could be to include short explanations within the list by high-quality independent sources (WP:BESTSOURCES) about what made each of Gottfried's mentioned articles notable. Alternatively, the Lists of Works and Timelines guideline suggests that we should "Consider whether prose is more appropriate", and it may be more encyclopedic to describe Gottfried's influential articles within the prose "Career" section to show how they relate to his own history and thought (again, summarizing explanations by high-quality sources independent from the subject). Can you point to when the admins discouraged you? Perhaps it was a problem specific to the list formatting that would not be a problem in prose style. Llll5032 (talk) 19:03, 20 February 2023 (UTC)

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