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A tag has been placed on Forrest Yoga, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G11 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the page seems to be unambiguous advertising which only promotes a company, product, group, service or person and would need to be fundamentally rewritten in order to become an encyclopedia article. Please read the guidelines on spam and Wikipedia:FAQ/Business for more information.

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What was the spam that this user inserted? Citing a book published by HarperCollins on the Trikonasana article? Morganfitzp (talk) 22:51, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

Witch hunt

Hi Nerudap. I am of the opinion that someone is on a bit of a Wikipedia Witch Hunt regarding the Forrest Yoga article and its creator. The issue seems to be that one or two people see it as advertising because many of the sources cited come from Forrest Yoga's creator, Ana Forrest. That's actually pretty common in yoga: B.K.S. Iyengar's books for example are used as sources in the Iyengar Article and that has not been raised as an issue. Whether or not this is a personal vendetta against Forrest Yoga or some other bias, I cannot say. I can say that if you want to officially register your vote to keep the Forrest Yoga article on Wikipedia, insert this tag on the thread about its proposed deletion:

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Thanks for your work. Morganfitzp (talk) 22:44, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

Hello. So something worth noting about Iyengar yoga is that Iyengar yoga is a cultural phenomenon so significant it is a central feature in the history of modern yoga, and he is written about academically by countless sources who are not personally connected to Iyengar (academic authors like Elizabeth DeMichelis, Joseph Alter, Mark Singleton). He has an undeniable role in shaping a much larger phenomenon almost any other yoga teacher in the West. While many modern yoga styles have reached points of incredible popularity, they have little historical significance because they are really young, not that notably distinct from other schools, and of little academic consequence (to date). When wikipedia decides things like Forrest yoga are not up to notability standards, that means that there is nothing to say here in a considered encyclopedic manner that is not already said on Forrest yoga's own websites. It also means the sources from which to draw the information are not academically published or peer reviewed. If you were to find academic and etic articles or books on a subject like this, that would help you show notability. Magazines like Yoga Journal and human interest pieces in newspapers (even NYT) are not the kind of citations that these articles are supposed to stand on, nor are they rigorous investigative pieces (an interview for example would still be expressing Ana Forrest's opinions and not an outside objective evaluation). Nor are these articles supposed to be an advertisement or endorsement of any school, which is all that these cited sources are, promotional. They are supposed to stand on academic ground i.e. academic journals and published books from outside of the school. A paragraph long description of a wrist exercise is not something that belongs here, nor does the fallacious implication that she invented shoulder shrugs. In fact the page does not seem to show there being anything that she innovated, but rather that she blended Shivananda, Ashtanga, and Iyengar, which describes most modern schools. Nothing about it looks like something you would see in a real encyclopedia; it looks like her webpage. Furthermore, there is a rampant problem with unencyclopedic material being added to the yoga pages as self-promotion or promoting groups people are connected with (and let's be honest, I'm guessing you have a connection to these schools you are editing, which is considered a conflict of interest here). Having a threshold for notability is the only fair way to keep the 'schools of yoga' page from becoming a useless compendium of every asana school that gets founded. I can not tell you how many times someone adds their own school to wikipedia. Even as notable as Forrest and many other styles are, they are not significantly different than any of the hundreds of other modern 'trauma informed' schools. Not enough for its own page at least. A better strategy might be to add a section about trauma informed yoga to one of these pages and include a blurb about different schools within it. It is not that it should be removed from wiki, but presented with due weight. If it weren't for the scandal, Anusara probably wouldn't have a page either, although that page has most of the same problems that Forrest and Core Strength Vinyasa have. Not that long ago we had to fight to keep famous ayurvedic doctor and author Vasant Lad from having his page removed, because his academic mentions were only from within the ayurvedic community, just to give you an idea of how stringent the notability standards are. I hope that clarifies the attitude of the wiki a little, and maybe saves you from feeling persecuted by the wiki police. It takes a while to fully get on the same page with how things work around here, but I'll bet you're well on your way. Iṣṭa Devatā (talk) 07:51, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for that thorough explanation, Iṣṭa Devatā. What makes Wikipedia different from, say, Britannica, is that articles about grand patriarchs and lofty institutions sit side-by-side with more plebeian and pedestrian fare. There is an article about Carnegie Hall and CBGB's. There is an article about Prince Charles and Prince Buster. Few have access to being bandied about in the language of the academy, just as the witches of Salem had no access to legitimate counsel in their day. Mr. iyengar's books may be enshrined in the libraries of magnificent universities while Ana Forrest's end up in the bargain bin. It doesn't mean that one is more worthy than the other, it just means that certain people with a degree of power shone their spotlight at a particular thing for a particular time. This is Wikipedia, a dragon with a very long tail. Morganfitzp (talk) 12:58, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

I can certainly respect where you are coming from. Who knows Ana's place in history? Not many have ventured to guess yet, which is exactly the problem. It will be challenging to find anything neutral and significant to say about some of these topics, because if they only reflect what people are saying about themselves it is questionable why their own websites are not adequate resources for people, especially if all the research has been done through google. If everything you can say about Ana already comes up with a simple web search, maybe we could save some server space until there is more to say about her objective impact. CBGBs probably would have been kept off wiki in its heyday, but time has attracted plenty of attention to the phenomenon it was and what we say about it here reflects the balanced portrayal that comes from academic and primary sources blended together into a tapestry of information. Her page has nothing that non-forrest yoga people would actually find informative or interesting. The instructional section on wrist exercises taken from a yoga journal book are not the kind of information that expands the encyclopedia (which is not meant to be instructional). Perhaps, in time, she will be as notable as CBGBs. Maybe even now with better sources than the ones that are there. Comparing Ana Forrest to Iyengar seems out of perspective to me, but as a professional yoga teacher myself, I sympathize with the desire to see people who have impacted us represented respectfully here.Iṣṭa Devatā (talk) 18:41, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

Thanks to you for all your input. I hope to add to this by providing more on the Core Strength Vinyasa Yoga article in particular. In construction of that article, i asked for and received wikipedia editorial feedback approval prior to its posting. I respect the community rules and gained that approval. I respect your view points and hold many that are similar. But the process for article topic acceptance, structure, content, and inclusion was followed here Again, many thanks for your help.Nerudap (talk)

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