User talk:Netesq/Back burner

Stale disputes

I've made a unilateral decision to remove some content here from my Wikipedia Talk page that narrated my personal take on various disputes in which I was involved here at Wikipedia. Most of the other parties involved in those disputes have moved on, and those who haven't moved on are not important enough for me to give them the air time here on my Talk page. Moreover, after very careful consideration, I have come to the conclusion that my Wikipedia Talk page is not a particularly useful platform for narrating my mixed emotions about Wikipedia and/or my misgivings about particular Wikipedians, particularly in view of various Wikipedia policies that inhibit me from speaking my mind as I might otherwise be able to do. // NetEsq 00:48, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

NPOV and noteworthy views in practice at wikipedia

Hi. I've noticed in some of your recent talk posts that you advocate the position that "if a noteworthy person [or] group of people makes a factual assertion, it is our job to report that factual assertion and the factual assertions made by other noteworthy persons or groups, taking great care to note who said what and leaving the reader to determine the credibility of competing authorities." I agree that that position should be a part of NPOV, but there are a number of wikipedians who oppose this. They argue that: 1) it would be too burdensome too include ALL "noteworthy" (or some similar standard) views on a wiki topic; 2) it would (as if by some kind of default) lend equal validity to less normative or accepted views; and/or 3) the controversy would detract from the article. I think the articles The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and Controversies regarding Mormonism is a good model to use as a way of handling topic X and alternate views of topic X in wikipedia. We should work together to advocate the "all noteworthy (counter)views" standard. B 21:38 15 Jul 2003 (UTC)

I am astonished to hear that there is a significant and/or noteworthy group of Wikipedians who oppose what I have always considered to be a very straightforward interpretation of Wikipedia's NPOV Policy. However, as I reflect upon the many NPOV disputes in which I have been involved, it seems clear that there are many Wikipedians who really don't understand what NPOV means in the context of Wikipedia, and I agree that we should work together to advocate the "all noteworthy views" standard. -- NetEsq 02:38 16 Jul 2003 (UTC)

Article Licensing

Hi, I've started a drive to get users to multi-license all of their contributions that they've made to either (1) all U.S. state, county, and city articles or (2) all articles, using the Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike (CC-by-sa) v1.0 and v2.0 Licenses or into the public domain if they prefer. The CC-by-sa license is a true free documentation license that is similar to Wikipedia's license, the GFDL, but it allows other projects, such as WikiTravel, to use our articles. Since you are among the top 1000 Wikipedians by edits, I was wondering if you would be willing to multi-license all of your contributions or at minimum those on the geographic articles. Over 90% of people asked have agreed. For More Information:

• Multi-Licensing FAQ - Lots of questions answered
• Multi-Licensing Guide
• Free the Rambot Articles Project

To allow us to track those users who muli-license their contributions, many users copy and paste the "{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}" template into their user page, but there are other options at Template messages/User namespace. The following examples could also copied and pasted into your user page:

Option 1

I agree to [[Wikipedia:Multi-licensing|multi-license]] all my contributions, with the exception of my user pages, as described below:

{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}

OR

Option 2

I agree to [[Wikipedia:Multi-licensing|multi-license]] all my contributions to any [[U.S. state]], county, or city article as described below:

{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}

Or if you wanted to place your work into the public domain, you could replace "{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}" with "{{MultiLicensePD}}". If you only prefer using the GFDL, I would like to know that too. Please let me know what you think at my talk page. It's important to know either way so no one keeps asking. -- Ram-Man (comment| talk)

Would you agree

Would you agree that:

1. This "semi-policy" is absolute drivel and wholly inconsistent with Internet troll which argues a much wider range of interpretations, policies and possible ways to reduce conflict
2. That MeatballWiki is equally bad and incoherent on the subject and not even as good as Wikipedia's own article, and that the useful research in it should become part of a policy background paper?
3. That Jim Wales' priveleged position both defines and propagates 'trolls' who can be defined as "anyone who doesn't believe that Jim Wales really understands and always operates in the best interests of the project" - that is that "a troll" is "anyone who persistently disagrees with Wales and doesn't submit to him absolutely"
4. That vigilante moderators have always been, and will for the time being remain, a worse problem than any number of so-called "trolls"
5. That discussions on this issue are always hijacked by majoritarians who want to kick people out just because they have a minority view
6. That "troll" is an absolutely non-operational term, particularly when used in the singular, with no conceivable objective meaning? That you would argue this in any court of law at any time yourself?
7. More useful users have been driven off by bad administration and Wales than by the worst "trolls"
8. User:Anthere's attitude on these matters has always been more useful and intelligent than any of the other board members, and that she, not Wales, should do more public speaking on this project
9. That a more neutral list of problems from Clay Shirky's moderation wiki is a better terminology from which to address Wikipedia problems.
10. That it's high time Wikipedia had an article on sysop vandalism rather than remain the world's biggest example of it?
11. That, given the scale of the project, more sophisticated approaches to m:governance and issue definition and resolution should now be tried?
12. That given the Wikipedia:Criticisms made lately, that the people who made the same criticisms early in the project ought to be consulted and maybe brought in to some kind of advisory board, etc.? For instance there was much early discussion about considering the needs of readers who do not edit, and developing nations' users, all of which Wales just ignored
13. That useful projects of all kinds have been stalled simply because of Wales' ideology and incomprehension of his own cognitive limits?
14. That enactivism (psychology) is a more valid psychological basis for moderation and governance than any rules-based or label-based dogma?

RFA Thanks

At least two people have thanked me for supporting their RFAs by leaving comments on my Talk Page, and I anticipate that more people will do the same. Until further notice, I will move all such thank yous here to the Back Burner. // Internet Esquire 01:42, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your support.

Dear Netesq,

Thank you very much for your kind words and supportive comments on my recent RfA. I've been shot down again, so it won't be happening this time. I hope, though, that I can hear from you again next time around - and there definitely will be a next time.

Incidentally, I'm ex-ODP as well. What fun, eh?

Best wishes,

-- Hex [^t/_c] 20:55, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

My RfA

Hi, my RfA has been successful. Thanks a lot for your support. :) --soum (0_o) 08:49, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of Lawrence Eric Taylor

A tag has been placed on Lawrence Eric Taylor requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A7 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article appears to be about a person or group of people, but it does not indicate how or why the subject is notable: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, articles that do not indicate the subject's importance or significance may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable, as well as our subject-specific notability guideline for biographies.

If you think that this notice was placed here in error, you may contest the deletion by adding {{hangon}} to the top of the page that has been nominated for deletion (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag), coupled with adding a note on the talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the article meets the criterion it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the article that would would render it more in conformance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Lastly, please note that if the article does get deleted, you can contact one of these admins to request that a copy be emailed to you. NJGW (talk) 14:16, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

WP:Hornbook -- a new WP:Law task force for the J.D. curriculum

Hi Netesq/Back burner,

I'm asking Wikipedians who are interested in United States legal articles to take a look at WP:Hornbook, the new "JD curriculum task force".

Our mission is to assimilate into Wikipedia all the insights of an American law school education, by reducing hornbooks to footnotes.

• Each casebook will have a subpage.

• Over the course of a semester, each subpage will shift its focus to track the unfolding curriculum(s) for classes using that casebook around the country.
• It will also feature an extensive, hyperlinked "index" or "outline" to that casebook, pointing to pages, headers, or {{anchors}} in Wikipedia (example).
• Individual law schools can freely adapt our casebook outlines to the idiosyncratic curriculum devised by each individual professor.

• I'm encouraging law students around the country to create local chapters of the club I'm starting at my own law school, "Student WP:Hornbook Editors". Using WP:Hornbook as our headquarters, we're hoping to create a study group so inclusive that nobody will dare not join.

What you can do now:

1. Add WP:Hornbook to your watchlist, {{User Hornbook}} to your userpage, and ~~~~ to Wikipedia:Hornbook/participants.

2. If you're a law student,

• Email http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:Hornbook to your classmates, and tell them to do the same.
• Contact me directly via talk page or email about coordinating a chapter of "Student WP:Hornbook Editors" at your own school.

(You don't have to start the club, or even be involved in it; just help direct me to someone who might.)

3. Introduce yourself to me. Law editors on Wikipedia are a scarce commodity. Do knock on my talk page if there's an article you'd like help on.

Regards, Andrew Gradman ^talk/_WP:Hornbook 20:43, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Articles for deletion nomination of El Segundo (Amtrak Thruway Motorcoach station)

I have nominated El Segundo (Amtrak Thruway Motorcoach station), an article that you created, for deletion. I do not think that this article satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and have explained why at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/El Segundo (Amtrak Thruway Motorcoach station). Your opinions on the matter are welcome at that same discussion page; also, you are welcome to edit the article to address these concerns. Thank you for your time.

Please contact me if you're unsure why you received this message. Thryduulf (talk) 19:15, 13 October 2009 (UTC)