Neutral777

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Help me

Well I still have some questions after I got the last e-mail. Evidently the reason I was banned was because I was using usacomputertec for 2 years as a username. I was told that it's not ok for me to post about USA Computer Tech even though I have no intention to. What I realy am curious about is why I can't post about Ultumix GNU/Linux which is not a service but a work that is free for everyone. I still see this as a limitation of my freedom of speech and I don't understand it at all? I have read your policy over and over and I believe the original intent it had was to allow users to contribute and add information and that Administrators were only to become involved if the person caused a problem on the Wikipedia or was disruptive. So far I know I haven't caused any problems but the Administrators have been disruptive with me in the past. As you know I started http://www.pediaopeness.wetpaint.com with my own policy to allow users to do whatever they wanted to in the spirit of the original intentions of the Wikipedia. It says that the Wikipedia is Open Source and that it uses the GPL but if you don't allow everyone to contribute to it then is it really open? So basically I'm asking if I can even use the Wikipedia to submit information. If I can't then I really don't see how it could be useful for many people to use as a reliable up to date source of information. If people like me can't contribute then information is lost and it's not truly up to date. Neutral777 (talk) 06:11, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Well Neutral777 there is a complaints service on wikipedia which you can go through where you can report the Administrators that you believe were in the wrong and they will perform an investigation you can go to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/User_conduct#Use_of_administrator_privileges

and you can file a report there. If you want me to talk on the administrators incident board for you I will just message me and I will help you out. Christopher140691 (talk) 13:36, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Linux Distros

Hi Neutral777. So I've reviewed your situation and Ultumix just does not fulfill our notability guidelines for getting its own page. However, you might want to consider adding it to the list of Linux distros, available here: List_of_Linux_distributions. In answer to your question about Wikipedia and the GPL, Wikipedia is licensed under the GFDL, however that does not mean that every page anyone wants to create is allowed here. We're a private server, so there's no concerns with freedom of speech. We try to maintain an open environment as much as possible and we cover many different topics, but not all speech is allowed here; for instance hate speech and racist commentary are protectable free speech, but not allowed on Wikipedia. We require that our subjects achieve a certain level of notability before being included. After all, we're an encyclopedia, not just a random collection of web pages. Anyway, consider posting your distribution on the list of distributions, and I hope you become a continuing contributor here. You should read our list of rules carefully so you don't have a difficult time.⇒SWATJester ^{Son of the Defender} 20:03, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks

I did read your list of rules and I still don't understand the term notability. Just because I have over 40,000 people using my GNU/Linux distribution does not make it notable? How do I make it notable? Do I have to get it posted on other websites first? It is already on other websites and lists. I guess that does not count. Do I need to call up a magazine and ask them to put my info on the cover? This idea of notability or popularity sounds like the kind of popularity or clicks that most people experience in High School. Hasn't the Wikipedia moved beyond that?

"The common theme in the notability guidelines is the requirement for verifiable objective evidence to support a claim of notability. Substantial coverage in reliable sources constitutes such objective evidence, as do published peer recognition and the other factors listed in the subject specific guidelines." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability

But I have this. I have had my distribution mentioned on several OpenSource and free software sites. Go to www.google.com and type in Ultumix and see how many matches you get. Is there a required number of matches? Do I have to get up to 100,000 sites to list my distribution?

Tisk Tisk. I guess that the Wikipedia is as out of date as I thought by not allowing current things to be posted in it's Encyclopedia unless they are very popular. :(

Well now I have all the information I need to write my review Thanks again. Neutral777 (talk) 20:17, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Adoption

I'd like to adopt you. Let me know. Basketball110 ^{My story}/_{Tell me yours} 01:42, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

I'm not sure if you have read the post by "Christopher" here, but I think I am going to take his advice for the moment. When all of this has cleared up, I'd he glad to adopt you. Basketball110 ^{My story}/_{Tell me yours} 22:59, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

On using Wikipedia

Hi, I noticed you were new and had a bit of trouble. Maybe I can help. There's really only one important thing to know about using Wikipedia. You can use it for exactly one thing: to contribute to a neutral, factual encyclopedia. If you're here for any other purpose, your best bet is to just move along. So I invite you to contribute to the encyclopedia as you wish, but please don't try to use it for self-promotion or to advance some agenda you have. So far you've been mostly off the mark- stuff like this and your deleted page Ultumix are not remotely appropriate for an encyclopedia. Friday (talk) 21:18, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

If you're asking what will get you in trouble to have on your user page, you're still way off base. Instead, ask what will help you improve Wikipedia. As I said before, improving the encyclopedia is what it's about. If you're here for some other purpose, this isn't the right place for you. Specifically, no, you should not be promoting your websites on your user page. It's true that you have no freedom of speech here. If you want freedom of speech, you have it on your own website. Friday (talk) 14:25, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

I'm not sure what to tell you. If you want to start learning about what we do here, the welcome message at the top of this page has some useful links. I tried to give you the nutshell version above. If you're looking for some list of exact rules, you won't find it here. Yes, people do sometimes write about themselves on their user pages. When it crosses the line into promotional material, this is when most editors will start objecting to it. I don't think you're likely to be flamed, banned, squished, or whatever, if you exercise a bit of common sense. When in doubt about what to do or not do, just ask yourself "Does doing this make Wikipedia better?" It's usually as simple as that. Friday (talk) 19:59, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

As far as content goes.. We require that content is verifiable by reliable sources. Reading those links will give you more info. Wikipedia is very specifically not just a place for people to write whatever they want- instead, it's an encyclopedia. See Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not. Friday (talk) 20:06, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Post removed from your talk page

I've removed your inappropriate post from this page. Please, have another read of the Wikipedia policies you've been directed to above. Wikipedia is not a web host or chat forum; as per the comments above, if you've any questions regarding Wikipedia and its policies, do feel free to ask anyone. — iridescent 22:10, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

And again. You are welcome to provide links to the website you run, especially given that it is potentially of encyclopedic value, but trolling posts on behalf of an attack site are not in my opinion acceptable. If you want to re-add this, I'd strongly advise joining this discussion to try to get some kind of consensus in your favour, otherwise it's likely to end in an edit-war — and whatever you may think, we don't want to block you if you've anything useful to add to the project. — iridescent 19:28, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Blocked

I've blocked you indefinitely from editing. I see no useful contributions- you started out with self-promotion and spam, and then graduated to pointless soapboxing. Wikipedia is not for this kind of nonsense- please use your own website. Friday (talk) 14:12, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Blocked Indefinitely again

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"I've blocked you indefinitely from editing." This is what happened before. Then I spoke on the phone with Mr. Godwin and he told me he would put me in touch with someone who would unblock me. "you started out with self-promotion and spam, and then graduated to pointless soapboxing." Friday said. Why did Friday block me? Did I edit his page or another user's page or create a page? No. So where was I soapboxing? My own site? YES! So why did I get blocked? Because other Administrators having conversations with me on their talk pages (which I can't edit or add to any more so don't bother asking me to) said things or asked questions (that were either genuine or similar to trolls) that got me giving answers they may or may not have liked but Friday called it "soapboxing". Garbidge in Garbidge out. If you ask the right questions you will get the answer but it might not always be what you want it to be. (I'm focusing all of my telepathic energy on the future and I'm seeing Friday blocking me from editing my page as well after I write this message just like before). Am I right? Only Friday can decide. Neutral777 (talk) 21:42, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

If anyone wishes to unblock, let them do so- no need to get my opinion. It doesn't look to me like you're here with any intention of contributing usefully. But, if you can convince another admin otherwise, they will unblock you. Friday (talk) 21:51, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Maybe there's some confusion here? For the record, I don't care at all what you do on your own website. However, here on Wikipedia, I do care. Thus, I've blocked you from editing Wikipedia. You can do whatever you want on your own website and I won't complain. Friday (talk) 21:57, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Use {{unblock}} to request being unblocked...... Dendodge .. Talk^Help 22:07, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

None of us could care less what you do on your own website, or your rambling posts on assorted attack sites about how our conspiracy to "deny your constitutional rights". What you do on our website, we do care about. — iridescent 22:15, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

To Friday: What have I put on the Wikipedia that's harmfull? Where? Please show me. Do you fear what I will put up in the future? As far as I know I'm done for a year or two.

To Dendoge: I don't have an attack site and I don't think any of these sites attack the Wikipedia. They all point out historical instances of when the Wikipedia has attacked users. This is actual factual documented history and not an attack. These are not ramblings if thats how you spell it. I don't believe there is a conspiracy to deny my constitutional rights because you come out and say it. I have documented two times two Admins have told me exactly that and others agree from their historical factual experiences with the Wikipedia. Mr. Godwin actually likes the positive thing I'm trying to do. When I talked to him on the phone he seemed to be very impressed. If I'm not unblocked soon I'll contact him one last time to let him know how everything went. Yes there is proof that you are blocking freedom of speech and you are to blame. I didn't write those things on the Wikipedia that the Wikipedia Administrators wrote. So stop making me out to be the crazy guy. The only thing I posted on the Wikipedia was on my User page about myself because thats what every one else does including Godwin.

To Both Of You and all of the Wikipedia: Is the truth that dangerous that you can't allow it to get out? Are you that insecure an infantile that you can't admit your own mistakes? Come on children. I'm an Assistant Scout Master and I've taught at a College and I haven't seen such childish actions except from a psychopath that was sent to prison. And I can honestly say that.

So you ask why I'm standing up for myself? Why I feel the need to do this? I don't know if you can understand but I'll try to explain it to you. Go here and read. If it makes any sense to you then you should not need to argue with me any longer. I have no intention of vandalizing your site or Spamming it or oh wait you call this soapboxing don't you? Well I'll have to try harder on that one and that will mean that when someone here tells me to just be quiet and go away I'll have to listen and not stand up for myself. Thats what you want right? All Hail the All Powerful Insecure Admins! Neutral777 (talk) 22:52, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

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