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September 2022

Latest comment: 2 years ago15 comments7 people in discussion

You have been blocked indefinitely from editing for making personal attacks towards other editors.

If you think there are good reasons for being unblocked, please read the guide to appealing blocks, then add the following text below the block notice on your talk page: {{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (she|they|xe) 22:16, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

NT4M, you know (I hope) that I like you as a person. But I'm simply baffled by your decision to, with the consensus at AN slightly trending in your direction, resort to blatant personal attacks againt someone who had only !voted weak oppose—at a time when, given the topic at hand, your previous warning for personal attacks, when unblocked, was hopefully fresh in your mind. You have now gone against all three parts of your unblock conditions/warnings, and I've lost any faith that you are going to abide by them going forward, so I have made this an indefinite block. But, as noted in my block summary, if some admin disagrees and thinks that a tempblock could have a sufficient deterrent effect here, I have no objection to them downgrading.

I had really hoped that we could make this work, because I appreciate your contributions to the encyclopedia, and, again, think you're a generally nice person. But serial personal attacks cannot stand, and I feel my hands are tied here.

Given your response to my previous tempblock, I will say in advance that I do not intend to reply here unless asked to by a neutral third party.

I sincerely wish you the best of luck in whatever you do next in life. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (she|they|xe) 22:18, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the blocking policy).

NeverTry4Me (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Request reason:

I truly understand that the block was rational. Knowingly or unknowingly I made a personal attack here which is really a shame. I was frustrated with the minimal participation in the consensus and I wrote something at the WP:AN which I shouldn't have as it was really disruptive, annoying, and led to this block. I also admit that I have hurt some users on Wiki. But I want to stay here. Let me stay here with topic bans like a no-entry at any pages that start with Wikipedia: and interacting with others through their talk pages. Such bans would be a preventive measure to restrict me from further misconduct. My appeal for lifting the block should be considered under point 3 of WP:CONDUNBLOCK. _-✍NeverTry4Me⛅ C♯ 00:35, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

Decline reason:

I'm unwilling to unblock you with a restriction that reduces communication with others; communication is required. You need to figure out how to do that. The straw the broke the camel's back here was unsubstantiated allegations of sock puppetry. Can you see how that would be interpreted as a personal attack? I am declining your request. 331dot (talk) 08:44, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

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Sorry, but I don't think it is possible to impose a namespace block such that you cannot communicate with other people. Communication should be required. 0xDeadbeef 01:44, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

0xDeadbeef This is a crucial block, which rarely has some chance of lifting up. Unless any uninvolved admin considers (as mentioned in the block log), this block would never get lifted. However, I am in hope as my contributions never made any damage to the Wiki. But... :( _-✍NeverTry4Me⛅ C♯ 02:37, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

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Request reason:

I, in the belief of block reason, want it to be said that the block was necessary but not necessary as "indef". Given in the well-being of mind, that this was not meant for any personal attacks. I had a belief that there were multiple users involved as the IP 192.76.8.74's talk page clearly states that "192.76.8.74, is registered to the University of Oxford and may be shared by multiple users of an educational institution". I was surprised that the history of the IP user talk page carried lots of disrupts and suddenly jumped into my appeal's consensus. As stated by the Wiki itself, it raised confusion in my mind about socks or meat, where I might be wrong about shared IP users.

Regarding communication being required, I am aware of this concern raised, which hurt me for the last 7 months as I was creating articles 'vetted by AFC' and was doing only citations to unreferenced. I believe in a simple language to use creating articles that could be readable and understandable by all users of this world as Wiki is aimed for worldwide usage. Further, I shall declare that I have never abused, violated 3RR, disrupted any article, or tried to damage Wiki.
Lastly, I must clarify that I'm well educated and able to communicate with any form of English literature, though I prefer simple language methods for better understanding. In my intuition, if competence was an issue, then the AFC reviewer and patrollers would have issues accepting, reviewing, and patrolling my created articles. But no such issue was spotted in my editing restriction "vetted by AFC" and all of my drafts were accepted.

I do learn from my mistakes (which Wiki says violation). I claim that learning is no mistake. Hence, I appeal to consider the ban beyond "indef".

Hence, I appeal to lift up the ban considering my contributions, and also as per the blocking admin's remark.

Decline reason:

I'm sorry, but your comments below make me think that unblocking you is not a good idea at this time. Communication has repeatedly been an issue – to be quite honest, I have great difficulty parsing some of your posts in the conversation below – and the fact that people reply to your posts is not evidence to the contrary. It is troubling to me that you seem to brush these concerns aside. Given your comments about 192.76.8.74 below, in which you imply that they are the party at fault here, I am also not convinced that you fully understand the issue that led to this block. --Blablubbs (talk) 19:49, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

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Comment you're not going to be granted a Right to Vanish as that's only for users in good standing, which you are not by virtue of being blocked. Putting our disagreements aside, have you considered simple.wikipedia.org? It looks like it might be what you're looking for, and a block here does not preclude editing there. Star Mississippi 13:21, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

@Star_Mississippi Thanking for your advice but I believe I have the right to appeal against the block. Further, I also have the right to be not interested in other Wikis. Why do you think that I am not competent to contribute to English Wikipedia? The AFC reviewers, Patrollers had no issue accepting and patrolling my "vetted by AFC" articles. I was happy creating articles with the "vetted by AFC" restriction. _-✍NeverTry4Me⛅ C♯ 09:42, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
Only responding because you pinged me yet again because I have made my thoughts on this block clear elsewhere and do not wish to unduly influence an admin who sees your request. Why do you think that I am not competent to contribute to English Wikipedia? because I never said you couldn't appeal, but that you wouldn't be granted the right to vanish while blocked. Or that @Deepfriedokra told you you were welcome to appeal at ANI, yet you apologized for doing so. If you were happy creating articles with the "vetted by AFC" restriction then why did you appeal the restriction. I do not mean to be harsh, and I realize you're struggling with many factors, but your communication style is unclear, and I don't think you misunderstand what editors are telling you. You were the one who mentioned wanting to write in Simple English, which is why I mentioned it. You have the right to edit (or not) anywhere that you aren't restricted. Note to reviewing admin: check the history for NT4M's edits to their unblock request for this conversation to make sense. Star Mississippi 16:47, 22 September 2022 (UTC)

What a misrepresentation Star_Mississippi! You have presented everything with manipulation of facts. Why Star? Let me answer you one by one.

You asked Or that @Deepfriedokra told you you were welcome to appeal at ANI, yet you apologized for doing so. If you were happy creating articles with the "vetted by AFC" restriction then why did you appeal the restriction..
My answer: In my appeal at WP:AN (not WP:ANI as you are repeating again and again), I had clearly requested to lift up "vetted by AfC" on WP:GEO and WP:NPOL only. But, without reading my request/appeal, or ignoring, the shared IP and you have landed with Oppose. Had I claimed to lift up "vetted by AfC" for all articles on that appeal? No.
Per your statement, "I do not mean to be harsh, and I realize you're struggling with many factors, but your communication style is unclear, and I don't think you misunderstand what editors are telling you. You were the one who mentioned wanting to write in Simple English, which is why I mentioned it."
My answer: Am I de facto? If we force Wiki readers to open a dictionary or do a web search for every sentence, then it would a real mess. Forbye, as per your claim "your communication style is obscure", it is genuinely surprising that none except you raised it. Here is another proof.

Star_Mississippi, my contribution history makes clear that I have no issue with language. But I don't know why you think I am not eligible for the Wiki? Seems as an Admin you don't want me here.

(It's my closing statement. The decision is up to admins as it is now a matter of mess-up. If I had damaged or disrupted any Wiki article, or anything as WP:NOTHERE, I shall happily quit. But my request should be considered as per my contributions.) _-✍NeverTry4Me⛅ C♯ 00:09, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

Yes, it was AN, not ANI. My mistake. My point still remains. You are not a clear communicator. c.f.: Forbye, as per your claim "your communication style is obscure", it is genuinely surprising that none except you raised it. except, you know, IP 192 who said here that don't think your English language skills are quite at the level required to be writing new articles directly in main space, e.g. the sentence About my stubs/starts of WP:NPOL and WP:GEOLAND - I had no other options left to be "an editor as WP:HERE". from your appeal doesn't make any sense. and here. You're welcome to disagree with me, but I'm neither the only person voicing that nor opposing. An admin will weigh in, you do not need to continually edit your unblock. Star Mississippi 01:05, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for bringing this. That makes clear who used abusive language. The IP used abusive language, but the block was imposed on me. Regarding your You are not a clear communicator, if so, then how users are replying me if they are not understanding what I said? _-✍NeverTry4Me⛅ C♯ 02:36, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the blocking policy).

NeverTry4Me (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Request reason:

I, in the belief of block reason, want it to be said that the block was necessary but not necessary as "indef". Given in the well-being of the mind, this was not meant for any personal attacks. I had a belief that there were multiple users involved as the IP 192.76.8.74's talk page clearly states that "192.76.8.74, is registered to the University of Oxford and may be shared by multiple users of an educational institution". I was surprised that the history of the IP user talk page carried lots of disruption and suddenly jumped into my appeal's consensus. As stated by the Wiki itself, it raised confusion in my mind about socks or meat, where I might be wrong, or was about the shared IP user.
I do admit my mistake.
But, I do learn from my mistakes (which Wiki says violation). I claim that learning is no mistake. Hence, I appeal to consider the ban beyond "indef". Hence, I appeal to lift up the ban considering my contributions, and also as per the blocking admin's remark. _-✍NeverTry4Me⛅ C♯ 08:38, 15 October 2022 (UTC)

Decline reason:

You don't have enough proficiency in English to edit English Wikipedia. This unblock request is evidence of that. The parts that I can understand seem to indicate that you have trouble interpreting our informational templates. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 06:25, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

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Your submission at Articles for creation: Rangbaaz: Darr Ki Rajneeti (October 30)

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Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Timtrent was:

This submission is not adequately supported by reliable sources. Reliable sources are required so that information can be verified. If you need help with referencing, please see Referencing for beginners and Citing sources.

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While the sources may be reliable I do not see significant coverage about the show. Instead I see gossip and TV listing style coverage

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Sockpuppetry

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I've blocked Khati Axomiya as a suspected sock. You may be frustrated by how your Wikipedia editing ended, but socking is very much not the answer.-- Ponyo^{bons mots} 23:01, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

@Ponyo: I have received an email about this. I am not a sock. Please investigate properly as per https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/NeverTry4Me. I quit Wiki it allows me to retire for continuous blocks. But, please don't insult my doctrine. I have been accused of a sock here at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/NeverTry4Me many times. But I always helped against socks. Please keep don't insult me a sock. I beg. Pinging @Tamzin: as my blocking admin as well as @Deepfriedokra:. Please leave me at my peace of mind. I am not a sock, nor I'll be. I am just done with quitting. 117.205.153.240 (talk) 08:16, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Baganpara Subdivision (November 3)

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