NevilleDNZ

MOTD

Prolonged contact with the computer turns mathematicians into clerks and vice versa.

Alan J. Perlis

The question of whether computers can think is just like the question of whether submarines can swim.

Edsger W. Dijkstra

NevilleDNZ 21:00, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Co-ordinates

Is the Nauticle mile related to the Nautical mile? Best Wishes Saga City 22:13, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

The "coor at" template all appear to rely on the monobook skin to allow placement of the coordinates near the article title. These templates fail to display properly in other skins, such as the standard skin, and so should not be used.-gadfium 00:18, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Indeed you are right. I switched my skin from default to classic, and the coordinates appear twice, but jammed together (and with nothing at the top). I will report it to the problem to the appropriate talk page (if you have not already done this) and see if it can be resolved (The feature is widely used). For historic reasons the classic-skin should always work. I have not checked any other skins.

Cheers NevilleDNZ 03:46, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Auckland Meetup 2 Scheduled - Feb 10 2007

You are invited to Auckland Meetup 2 on the afternoon of Saturday February 10th 2007 at Galbraith's Ale House in Mt Eden. Please see Wikipedia:Meetup/Auckland 2 for details. You can also bookmark Wikipedia:Meetup/Auckland to be informed of future NZ meetups. - SimonLyall 09:08, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

Additional info

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SVG in Object composition

Hi! I'm watching Object composition and I see you have replaced Image:AggregationAndComposition.png by Image:AggregationAndComposition.svg. Both images are not exactly the same, because .png includes multiplicity, while .svg doesn't. I added multiplicity per request [[[Talk:Object_composition#Multiplicity]]], but I had to rely on .png because I have not software for generating correct .svg files. Could you update the .svg file? Or, if you couldn't, do you believe that the .png should be bigger? Rjgodoy 03:03, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

I can (probably) convert the file if you like.

Cheers NevilleDNZ 03:10, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

That would be great! This way we will fulfill both goals, an diagram with multiplicities which is an .svg image. (As a side note, it is usual to write user talk responses in other person's talk pages) Rjgodoy 03:22, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Is it the text that you wanted added, eg. Image:AggregationAndComposition.svg NevilleDNZ 04:22, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

BTW: I wasn't me that replaced the png with a svg, but none the less I installed "inkscape" and fixed the problem (I hope). :-)

• http://inkscape.org/download/

NevilleDNZ 04:32, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Good job! and please accept my apologies. (BTW, I will install inkscape) Rjgodoy 05:55, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

No worries, no need apologise, good luck with inkscape, my first time too. NevilleDNZ 08:07, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

problems with underline in <code> tag_block </code>

void new_line(){printf("\n"); }
/* comment */  (Actual example with "_" in place!!) 

Actual Code: <code> 
 void new_line(){printf("\n"); }
 /* comment */</code>

Currently <code>output (note missing an underscore) manually created as it appears in mediawiki preview:

void new line(){printf("\n"); } 
/* comment */

eg.

Where do I go next to fix this? NevilleDNZ 06:06, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Use text-decoration: underline rather than <u>:

<code> void <span style="text-decoration: underline">new_line</span>(){printf("\n"); } </code>

which produces

void new_line(){printf("\n"); }

This also solves your issue with underscores – Gurch 12:08, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

the tag <span style="text-decoration: underline"> has the same problem:

• Example with underlines:

1) Actual source:
  void <span style="text-decoration: underline">new line 1</span>(){printf("\n"); } 
2) Resulting output:
  void new line 2(){printf("\n"); } 
/* comment */
3) Manually recreated (defective) output:
  void new line 3(){printf("\n"); } 
/* comment */
4) Desired output:
  void new line 4(){printf("\n"); } 

In reality, this is Off Topic, as it is not a bug in <source>, but a bug in <code>. I will transfer this bug report to <code>... (When I find code's Project page). NevilleDNZ 00:05, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

ALGOL

Please don't replace <code> with <source> in Wikipedia articles. At the very least, you should be previewing your changes to make sure they didn't break anything. Changes like this are not helpful; you made the code harder to read, and probably introduced syntax errors, without providing any actual offsetting benefit. (I reverted it already.) --Quuxplusone 02:50, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

No prob. I am in the process of pushing an Algol60 & Algol68 code highlighter into the next release of GeShi.

By the way, 5×t↑3 looks silly in Courier New, the font most readers use to view code. I'd stick with the ASCII caret ^ in place of the arrow, at least. Just my two cents. --Quuxplusone 02:04, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

According to the original[1] and revised[2] specification 5*t^2 is incorrect, Both of these reports use the notation 5×t↑3. Now unicode has these characters I see no compelling reason to use ASCII-1986 characters in a language that predates ASCII. NevilleDNZ 03:05, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

conversion of "step" template to "See Also:"

If you think I might have been a bit too thorough (and that I admit that I might have), please point out actual instances of this and I'll try to amend them. However, I felt that pretty much every time I encountered a step template, it just said something vague and confusing like

ALGOL 60 » ALGOL Y		ALGOL 68C » C » C++ • Bourne shell » Bash • Steelman » Ada • Python • Maple
←		→

instead of something informative like

John F. Kennedy
35th President of the United States
Preceded by	Dwight D. Eisenhower
Succeeded by	Lyndon B. Johnson

I mean: What was that step on ALGOL 68 trying to tell me? That Python is the successor to ALGOL 68? Yes, it was influenced by it, but that's not the same as being the successor. It also does not make Python the next logical step from ALGOL 68. Besides that, the step on ALGOL 68 didn't even have any kind of descriptive text that would've explained what kind of succession were looking at here. In other words, it would be much better served using a standard programming language infobox, which it in fact already has.

But like I said, if there are some cases where I've clearly made a mistake, please let me know. --The Wild Falcon 10:28, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Oh, and the step template is also butt-ugly, but I have tried to alleviate that a bit by reformatting it. I have also made it a prerequisite that the descriptive step of the text be filled out. Hopefully that will force people to make their steps a bit more clear. --The Wild Falcon 10:36, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

I think we agree on many points. The descriptive text, maybe with cites, would be useful. The evolution/influence that links one language to a successor is kind of similar to the link between a horse/donkey and the successor, a Mule. In the case of the mule there is more then one "type" of parent, but to say the a mule is a successor to a horse seem kinda strange. But observation can prove a mule certainly "evolved" from both.

In the case of ALGOL 68, I believe I can find the descriptive text, maybe with cites to demonstrate the influence and/or link. Algol68 already had a standard Template:infobox with some cites. Other pages only has the Template:step.

In the case other other instance of the (many) other Template:step instances that were removed, the I would say in fairness you should revert the one that don't have the succession indicated in a standard Template:infobox.

BTW: the original Template:step was truely butt-ugly. The recent one doesn't not look so bad. (Esp it it has the facility for descriptive text)

NevilleDNZ 11:06, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, you can continue. You obviously know more about IBM PCs than I do, so I think you are better suited to do so than I am.

However, some observations:

• Please consider putting the step template at the top of the page, instead of at the bottom. I redesigned it so it fits there better, much like an infobox. See IBM PCjr for an example.
• You're not using using the descriptive text correctly. As stated in the step template's doc, it should provide "A brief description of how the articles are related". So, rather than IBM PCjr, on the page above, it should say IBM PC Series (including the link). Again, see IBM PCjr.

Thanks. --the Wild Falcon (talk | log) 09:39, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

In addition, while you're at, please also avoid using links that cause redirects, such as IBM 4860 instead of IBM PCjr. Thanks again. --the Wild Falcon (talk | log) 09:51, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

ALGOL 58 and the others

I have just (Dec 4 2007) discovered the message you left for me on the 18th November.

You say that you have been wanting to work with someone to tidy up the ALGOL page, and invite me to feedback on your suggestions. I will try to do so, but it may be a while before I find time.

I am very unhappy with much of the supposed information about ALGOL that is around these days, largely written by people who have no experience of the language in real life, and frequently based on misunderstandings. Unfortunately, however, there are gaps in my own knowledge, which tend me to inhibit me from doing much to the Wikipedia information. For example, I have always been under the impression that "ALGOL 58" was only a draft, not an actual language. However, Wikipedia contains the following sentence: "By the end of 1958 the ZMMD-group had built a working ALGOL 58 compiler for the Z22". I am not sure that this wasn't a compiler for a complete language which the ZMMD-group had developed from the draft report, but on the other hand I'm not sure that it was. It is such doubts that inhibit me. Nevertheless I will try to get back to you when I have had more time for thought.

JamesBWatson 14:40, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Fortunately the The Algol Bulletin is online, and remains as a good reference: http://archive.computerhistory.org/resources/text/algol/algol_bulletin/

Also check out http://hopl.murdoch.edu.au/showlanguage.prx?exp=2566&language=Z22%20compiler - it refers to an article titled: Bayer, G. "Ein compiler fur die Z22" (A compiler for the Z22) in "Elekt. Daten." No. 4 (Aug. 1961), 170-179. If you could get/scan a copy of this it may solve the mystery.

NevilleDNZ

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Is there really a need for the page ₁₀ ? — Loadmaster (talk) 04:20, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

The redirect now goes directly to E notation.

The "₁₀" character is part of several 1960s international standards aside from English, eg German character encoding standard ALCOR and Russian GOST 10859. The "₁₀" character not part of ASCII, EBCDIC nor Unicode.

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test decades

Hi Neville - your User:NevilleDNZ/test decades page is in Category:Stubs, which should only be for articles, not for user pages. is there any way you could remove whatever link it is that is putting it in there (I don't know much about coding, and don't want to risk breaking your page by editing it). Cheers, Grutness...wha? 00:14, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

Invitation

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KDF9

The KDF9 operating system Eldon 2 was NOT written in Algol 60, it was written in KDF9 Usercode; and Eldon 3 has absolutely nothing to do with the KDF9 - it ran on successor machines. I have reverted the KDF9 page accordingly. See <http://www.findlayw.plus.com/KDF9/index.html> for more details. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.102.139.90 (talk) 00:44, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

ThanX for that, on rereading David's article it looks like Eldon 3 was written in ALGOL 68-R for the ICL1900. Maybe you have further information on this? NevilleDNZ (talk) 03:23, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

Yerevan Computer Research and Development Institute

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I think I get it: "No proper program contains an indication which as an operator-applied occurrence identifies an operator-defining occurrence which as an indication-applied occurrence identifies an indication-defining occurrence different from the one identified by the given indication as an indication-applied occurrence."

NevilleDNZ (talk) 07:06, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Cosmopolitan Club

Is this an article, a list or a dab? Is the Cosmopolitan Club movement, referred to in one of the entries, something which links a lot of the clubs and deserves an article itself? Or are these just a group of organisations which share a name? Either way, the 3 existing entries shouldn't be buried within a list of lines which just tell us a club in x-town exists. And there's no need to link all the countries and continents in the headings - way too much blue text. I'll change it to a dab page for now: an alternative would be to make yours into an article about the movement, with a hatnote pointing to the dab page. Or you could create "List of Cosmopolitan Clubs" perhaps. PamD (talk) 14:54, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

On second thoughts I've been WP:BOLD and moved your article to List of Cosmopolitan Clubs and created a proper dab page at Cosmopolitan Club with a "see also" link to the list. You need to decide whether your page is a list or an article, and develop it accordingly. PamD (talk) 15:07, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

Your changes look fine, a list makes sense. I am actually looking for some kind of foundation document, maybe in the Times of London c. 1852, that describes the original/official motivation for these clubs. Certainly they played an important role in the foundation's of these communities and must have been popularised via the printed media. However there appears to be nothing definitive anywhere , hence the bear dab page.

BTW: Nice article: Cosmopolitan Club (London)

NevilleDNZ (talk) 23:50, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

Goodwill Flight Russia-Australia-Russia

Dear User:SchuminWeb

The page Goodwill Flight Russia-Australia-Russia was deleted stunningly promptly, IIRC 7 days and it was gone.

c.f. its contents: User:NevilleDNZ/Sandbox: Goodwill Flight Russia-Australia-Russia

I'm thinking that maybe if American Astronauts and head of American Shuttle Training made a similar flight dash to Australia via Alaska (to try an stove off the (American) Global Financial Crisis), then such an article would not have been so quickly deleted.

By way of Contrast compare:

• Mathias Rust at the start of Glasnost.
• Frank Eugene Corder when he tried to steer it into the wall of the White House.
• 2002 Tampa plane crash where the pilot committed suicide. It is alleged this was caused by his acne cream!

It would be unfortunate if international "good will flights" by notable Cosmonauts teams are dropped. Whereas wikipedia preserves teenagers flying with acne problems. ( ps. :-^ Said with my tongue firmly in my cheek)

Please, can you leave the article a month or two before deleting, after all it was tagged as a stub. Then at least it stands a chance get out of the stub phase.

Remember that these aviators travelled Siberia, China, Vietnam, Thailand, Malaysia, Singapore, Indonesia and then to Australia before returning to Moscow, given time there could well be other wikipedia contributors from quite a few countries. It is unfortunate that the history of article contributors has been delete at the same time.

Please to not be offended if I un-delete the article. I am thinking that it could be tagged as a lesser important article, but to delete it outright - after only 7 days - was a mistake.

Here is some humour about wikipedia myths: meta:Deletionist

Here is a more rounded page: meta:Deletionism (also known as pro-death editing)

Here are some more convicted lectures on the topic:

• http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/200x/2008/06/15/Deletionist-Morons
• http://ostatic.com/blog/is-wikipedias-deletionism-out-of-control

Cheers NevilleDNZ (talk) 06:26, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

Sounds like you're all set for now. You've got a sandbox copy of the article, and so if you bring it up to spec for notability with reliable sources and the like, then we can move it back to mainspace. Best of luck in your editing. SchuminWeb (Talk) 00:19, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

I am thinking that it could be tagged as a lesser important article, but to delete it outright - after only 7 days - was a mistake. NevilleDNZ (talk) 00:22, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

ALGOL 68R

The article ALGOL 68R is a sad little beast. I'm working on a replacement at User:HughesJohn/Sandbox/ALGOL 68R. It's nowhere near ready yet, but if you have any comments/criticisms please let me know. HughesJohn (talk) 10:48, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

I'd spotted your work already... It looks good. Go for it.

NevilleDNZ (talk) 12:45, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

GeSHi and Algol 68

I see that GeSHi is getting features for Algol 68.

But I must say I find them rather ugly.

As far as I can tell it only "copes" with UPPER stropping, well really RES stropping because it only recognises the built-in bold words. It also can't cope with multi-line comments.

And the coloured output doesn't look very Algol 68-y.

Wouldn't it be nice if it could display UPPER or POINT stropped code in the published style, so

.PR UPPER .PR
MODE FRED = STRUCT (INT a, INT b);
OP TEST = (FRED a, FRED b) FRED : ...

would display as

mode fred = struct (int a, int b);
op test = (fred a, fred b) fred : ...

Impossible?

HughesJohn (talk) 15:37, 29 September 2011 (UTC)

re: "But I must say I find them rather ugly."

I have to agree. So I left the code with Lightweight markup language#Text/font-face formatting for the moment.

But the good news is that Algol 68 and HTML seem to be long lost friends. Not only does HTML have most of ALGOL's Symbol entities (×, ÷, ≤, ≥, ≠, ¬, ⊃, ≡, ∨, ∧, →, ↓, ↑, ⌊, ⌈, ⎩, ⎧, ⊥, ⏨, ¢, ○ and □). HTML also has text-transform: lowercase which turns everything into lowercase.

.PR UPPER .PR
MODE FRED = STRUCT (INT a, INT b);
OP TEST = (FRED a, FRED b) FRED : ...

¢ Actually, if I could figure out CSS embedded in MediaWiki then above I would redefine class="strong" to be style="text-transform: lowercase; font-weight: bold" ¢

The nice thing about "text-transform: lowercase;" is that when you cut and past the code it reverts back to "UPPER stropping". Go ahead, give it a try, past the above code into a text editor, and magically it becomes "UPPER stropped".

AND the good news is that this can be put into GeSHi's Algol68.php file. I know this because I did the first/only draft of GeSHi for Algol68 and I know where to put the changes. Currently the Algol68.php only bolds known BOLD words, so I would need to do a bit more work to catch user-defined OPerators and MODEs. But to answer you implied question: "display UPPER or POINT stropped code in the published style"... the answer is yes, very feasible.

The -ve issue is that the color schemes for GeSHi are a bit haphazard and they need a bit of stream lining / standardising.

One also has to be a little careful with Algol68 syntax in GeSHi, as Algol68 is build on two level gramma, but GeSHi is only 1 level, so good results are attainable, but perfect results are probably not. Let me know if you have any ideas...

I'm not sure if GeSHi's Algol68.php file can take 'stropping regime" as an argument... that would be interesting....

12:50, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

Very nice, the css stuff was exactly what I was hoping for.

(By the way, the ⏨ (U+23E8?) doesn't work for me). (Iceweasel on Debian Squeeze).

HughesJohn (talk) 15:04, 7 October 2011 (UTC)

You can download: http://mailcom.com/unicode/DecimalExponent.ttf if debian is missing ₁₀.

NevilleDNZ (talk) 02:46, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

(Nothing to say, just trying to fix weird formatting bug for next section). HughesJohn (talk) 19:59, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

ALGOL 68RS

Well, ALGOL 68R seems to have worked, so I've knocked up a new version of ALGOL 68RS at User:HughesJohn/Sandbox/ALGOL 68RS.

I can't claim it's a work of art, and I don't have particularly good references for the history, but it does add some corroborative detail to give artistic verisimilitude to an otherwise bald and unconvincing narrative.

(And fixes a glaring error of fact - ALGOL 68RS didn't have the currying extension).

Any opinion? HughesJohn (talk) 19:56, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

Algol Bulletin

For my ALGOL 68RS work I've been citing the Algol Bulletin. I've provided links to the copy at ACM.org, which require at least registration and possibly payment. I see you have a link to a copy at the Computer Museum. Do you have any idea of the status of this copy? I.E. is it "legal"? (I remember that one copy got "disappeared" from the web earlier).

user:HughesJohn, writing from a machine he doesn't want to log in from. 89.202.194.171 (talk) 10:24, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

Maybe ACM doesn't hold the copyright either as the AB was done mostly under the IFIP, and then lately by CHL.

Note Also: "ACM Membership is not required to create a free web account." I see the computerhistory.org has discussed similar issues: Heads Up - Copyright Law and Orphan Works But I don't follow them enough to know the outcome. NevilleDNZ (talk) 22:42, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

User:HughesJohn from work. "Except in the case of IFIP documents, which are clearly so designated, IFIP does not retain copyright authority on material published here. Permission to reproduce any contribution should be sought directly from the authors concerned." Hum, maybe even the ACM don't have the right to distribute it!

The computer museum copy says "Every attempt is being made to contact the authors of the articles to obtain their permission."

Oh, hang on a second, the ACM abstract for the Algol Bulleting points to the Computer History Museum! The ACM got their copy from there! I'll update my download links to point directly to the CHM's version. 80.12.81.14 (talk) 08:30, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

re: "The ACM got their copy from there!" - it was probably a straight file copy too!

My feedback from CHM is: "US copyright law tends to just get more and more screwed up over the years".

It is truly tragic that so many wonderful early (but orphaned) works are stuck in this stale copyright limbo. NevilleDNZ (talk) 23:18, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

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Minsk and M series computers

I'm going to undo the merge of M series (computer) and Minsk family of computers -- these most definitely weren't the same series (different design teams etc.) shattered (talk) 10:11, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

ThanX NevilleDNZ (talk) 08:14, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Cambridge Algebra System

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NevilleDNZ (talk) 07:24, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

List of Statutes of New Zealand 1840 – 1890

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Your bold changes ignited some resentment once, where you was asked to demonstrate more respect to Wikipedia guidelines and existing notations. You neglected to watch the article and the homework was not done. That’s why edits like [3] meet now so hostile reception. Incnis Mrsi (talk) 10:24, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Trying Rⁿ instead. n.b. Must be time to get ∑ ∏ ∐ ′ ∫ ∬ ∭ ∮ ∇ ∂ ∆ ∅ ℂ ℍ ℕ ℙ ℚ ℝ ℤ ℵ removed from wikipedia's std/edit/math-and-logic sub-menu... NevilleDNZ (talk) 12:03, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Indeed, must be time to read relevant portion of the MoS at last. Reading another piece of the MoS would also avoid mixing hyphens, en dashes and em dashes at random, as demonstrated in the diff from the section above. Incnis Mrsi (talk) 14:06, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Done NevilleDNZ (talk) 14:22, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

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• http://www.telstra.com.au/small-business/bundles/dot/support/
• In Particular device is: NetGear DEVG2020 ...

*15	 	Call Bridge
*72	 	Call Forwarding Always Activation
*73	 	Call Forwarding Always Deactivation
*21*	 	Call Forwarding Always Interrogation
*21	 	Call Forwarding Always To Voice Mail Activation
#21	 	Call Forwarding Always To Voice Mail Deactivation
*90	 	Call Forwarding Busy Activation
*91	 	Call Forwarding Busy Deactivation
*67*	 	Call Forwarding Busy Interrogation
*40	 	Call Forwarding Busy To Voice Mail Activation
#40	 	Call Forwarding Busy To Voice Mail Deactivation
*92	 	Call Forwarding No Answer Activation
*93	 	Call Forwarding No Answer Deactivation
*61*	 	Call Forwarding No Answer Interrogation
*41	 	Call Forwarding No Answer To Voice Mail Activation
#41	 	Call Forwarding No Answer To Voice Mail Deactivation
*94	 	Call Forwarding Not Reachable Activation
*95	 	Call Forwarding Not Reachable Deactivation
*63*	 	Call Forwarding Not Reachable Interrogation
*54*	 	Calling Line ID Delivery Blocking Interrogation
*67	 	Calling Line ID Delivery Blocking per Call
*31	 	Calling Line ID Delivery Blocking Persistent Activation
#31	 	Calling Line ID Delivery Blocking Persistent Deactivation
*65	 	Calling Line ID Delivery per Call
*68	 	Call Park
*88	 	Call Park Retrieve
*98	 	Call Pickup
*11	 	Call Retrieve
*69	 	Call Return
#92	 	Call Return Number Deletion
*53*	 	Call Waiting Interrogation
*43	 	Call Waiting Persistent Activation
#43	 	Call Waiting Persistent Deactivation
*70	 	Cancel Call Waiting
*99	 	Clear Voice Message Waiting Indicator
*57	 	Customer Originated Trace
*55	 	Direct Voice Mail Transfer
*80	 	Diversion Inhibitor
*22	 	Flash Call Hold
#58	 	Group Call Park
*12	 	Location Control Activation
*13	 	Location Control Deactivation
*60	 	Music On Hold Per-Call Deactivation
*610	 	No Answer Timer
*86	 	Voice Mail Retrieval
*62	 	Voice Portal Access

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Fixed formatting NevilleDNZ (talk) 02:31, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

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A feature of ALGOL 68, inherited from the ALGOL tradition, is its different representations. There is a representation language used to describe algorithms in printed work, a strict language (rigorously defined in the Report), and an official reference language intended to be used in compiler input. The examples contain bold typeface words, this is the strict language. ALGOL 68's reserved words are effectively in a different namespace from identifiers, and spaces are allowed in identifiers, so this next fragment is legal:

 int a real int = 3 ;

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'INT'A REAL INT = 3; # QUOTE stropping style #
.INT A REAL INT = 3; # POINT stropping style #
 INT a real int = 3; # UPPER stropping style #
 int a_real_int = 3; # RES stropping style, there are 61 accepted reserved words #

All implementations must recognize at least POINT, UPPER and RES inside PRAGMAT sections. Of these, POINT and UPPER stropping are quite common, while RES stropping is a contradiction to the specification (as there are no reserved words). QUOTE (single apostrophe quoting) was the original recommendation, while matched apostrophe quoting, common in ALGOL 60, is not used much in ALGOL 68.

The following characters were recommended for portability, and termed "worthy characters" in the Report on the Standard Hardware Representation of Algol 68 Archived 2014-01-02 at the Wayback Machine:

• ^ Worthy Characters: ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ0123456789 "#$%'()*+,-./:;<=>@[ ]_|

This reflected a problem in the 1960s where some hardware didn't support lower-case, nor some other non-ASCII characters, indeed in the 1973 report it was written: "Four worthy characters — "|", "_", "[", and "]" — are often coded differently, even at installations which nominally use the same character set."

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par: Parallel processing - with BOLD stropping example

Code appears as BOLDED lowercase, but a physical cut and pastes of code produces compiler ready UPPERCASE.

ALGOL 68 supports programming of parallel processing. Using the keyword PAR, a collateral clause is converted to a parallel clause, where the synchronisation of actions is controlled using semaphores. In A68G the parallel actions are mapped to threads when available on the hosting operating system. In A68S a different paradigm of parallel processing was implemented (see below).

PROC
    eat = VOID: ( muffins-:=1; print(("Yum!",new line))),
    speak = VOID: ( words-:=1; print(("Yak...",new line)));
 
INT muffins := 4, words := 8;
SEMA mouth = LEVEL 1;
 
PAR BEGIN
    WHILE muffins > 0 DO
        DOWN mouth;
        eat;
        UP mouth
    OD,
    WHILE words > 0 DO
        DOWN mouth;
        speak;
        UP mouth
    OD
END

Example of different program representations

Representation	Code
Algol68 "strict" as typically published	¢ underline or bold typeface ¢ mode xint = int; xint sum sq:=0; for i while sum sq≠70×70 do sum sq+:=i↑2 od
Quote stropping (like wikitext)	'pr' quote 'pr' 'mode' 'xint' = 'int'; 'xint' sum sq:=0; 'for' i 'while' sum sq≠70×70 'do' sum sq+:=i↑2 'od'
For a 7-bit character code compiler	.PR UPPER .PR MODE XINT = INT; XINT sum sq:=0; FOR i WHILE sum sq/=70*70 DO sum sq+:=i**2 OD
For a 6-bit character code compiler	.PR POINT .PR .MODE .XINT = .INT; .XINT SUM SQ:=0; .FOR I .WHILE SUM SQ .NE 70*70 .DO SUM SQ .PLUSAB I .UP 2 .OD
Algol68 using res stropping (reserved word)	.PR RES .PR mode .xint = int; .xint sum sq:=0; for i while sum sq≠70×70 do sum sq+:=i↑2 od

ALGOL 68 allows for every natural language to define its own set of keywords Algol-68. As a result, programmers are able to write programs using keywords from their native language. Below is an example of a simple procedure that calculates "the day following", the code is in two languages: English and German.

 # Next day date - English variant #
 mode date = struct(int day, string month, int year);
 proc the day following = (date x) date:
      if day of  x < length of month (month of x, year of x)
      then (day of x + 1, month of x, year of x)
      elif month of x = "December"
      then (1, "January", year of x + 1)
      else (1, successor of month (month of x), year of x)
      fi;

 # Nachfolgetag - Deutsche Variante #
 menge datum = tupel(ganz tag, wort monat, ganz jahr);
 funktion naechster tag nach = (datum x) datum:
          wenn tag von x < monatslaenge(monat von x, jahr von x)
          dann (tag von x + 1, monat von x, jahr von x)
          wennaber monat von x = "Dezember"
          dann (1, "Januar", jahr von x + 1)
          ansonsten (1, nachfolgemonat(monat von x), jahr von x)
          endewenn;

Russian/Soviet example: In English Algol68's case statement reads case ~ in ~ out ~ esac, in Cyrillic this reads выб ~ в ~ либо ~ быв.

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