Nholz99

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Userfied article

Hi there. I am "userfying" some of the content of your article at this blue link here: User:Nholz99/sandbox. If you feel that what I have done is wrong, type in below that you want me to delete it. Bearian (talk) 22:55, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

Just so you know, you should read WP:OR, WP:RS and WP:BLP. The first page linked deals with why and how to cite articles and other sources (especially when quoting them not to use original sources such as interviews you personally have conducted), the second is how to tell if what you're citing is any good, and the third is why I took out all the private parties' names. Bearian (talk) 23:29, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

You may also want to check out our guideline for content at Wikipedia:Citing sources. Bearian (talk) 23:30, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

P.S. I think you would also do well by reading Wikipedia:Paid_editing#Paid_editing, especially the sub-sections under "Citing yourself" and "Campaigning". Bearian (talk) 12:09, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

• Sorry, it is nowhere near to be "ready for prime time" -- the article has no references. I'll be off the rest of the day and Sunday, so message or email me between now and Monday afternoon. Bearian (talk) 19:22, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

I thought you understood something about citation from school. You can't just say, "I talked to so and so." You can do that in an essay, opinion peice, or interview report, but not an encyclopedia article. You need to cite a book, or website, or newspaper article, or such, for every assertion, especially unusual claims. One of our five key policies is Wikipedia:Neutral point of view. See the rule at reliable sourcing, the rule at verifiability, and the content guideline at Wikipedia:Citing sources, especially why we cite. Bearian (talk) 17:20, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

This: "Purdue, Pete. Personal interview. 1 Dec. 2000" is not a proper citation, and would be a primary source. An encyclopedia such as Wikipedia relies mostly on secondary sources. Are there any newspaper, or trade publication, or radio/TV interviews about the group? Bearian (talk) 20:43, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

Unfortunately, if there were "nothing" on your group, then your article probably be deleted, based on two key policies: WP:GNG and WP:ORG. But don't give up yet; you have to do some searches: sources can be found at Google Books and Google Scholar (click on the blue links). Have you looked on Bing? I don't have the time right now to find the sources for you, but please feel free to try over the weekend. If you need help with how to cite and what templates to use, I can direct you. Bearian (talk) 14:14, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

I looked back through the updated version of the APSE Wikipedia page to look at where you marked things that need citation. The first one was after I mention David Mank's paper. You can find a copy of this paper at dps.sagepub.com/content/5/2/1. The next place where you marked for citation was after I wrote "Neither paper was highly received by the industry." You can delete this sentence. It is unnecessary to the topic. The final two places that are needing citation can be answered by the U.S. Department of Labor web page. You asked for citation after I wrote "as stated by the US Dept. of Labor." Their web page is where I pulled that information. Then after the sentence "Under the Employment First approach...", I pulled this from the Department of Labors web page as well. So I hope this helps get all the information you need. ThanksNholz99 (talk) 18:29, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

I am very sorry, but I can't write your article and cite it for you. I neither have the time, nor specialized knowledge, to do so. Perhaps you can find somebody else to help you? I am going to place a tag on the bottom of this page so that somebody else can help you ASAP. Bearian (talk) 20:38, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

The place to ask for collaborators would be a relevant WikiProject's talk page, here maybe WT:WikiProject Disability. On citing sources, see WP:Referencing for beginners. However, it's not just those few lines that need sources - all Wikipedia content should be based on reliable sources that are independent of the subject. My suggestion would be to go looking for a couple of newspaper or magazine articles about this organization and then to rewrite the draft from scratch based on what those sources have to say about the APSE. Huon (talk) 23:55, 18 June 2013 (UTC)