Notecharlie
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July 2024
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Thank you for contributing to Wikipedia. However, please do not use unreliable sources such as blogs, wikis, personal websites, and websites and publications with a poor reputation for checking the facts or with no editorial oversight. These sources may express views that are widely acknowledged as pushing a particular point-of-view, sometimes even extremist, being promotional in nature, or relying heavily on rumors and personal opinions. One of Wikipedia's core policies is that contributions must be verifiable through reliable sources, preferably using inline citations. If you require further assistance, please look at Help:Menu/Editing Wikipedia, or ask at the Teahouse. Thank you. MrOllie (talk) 15:09, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- Just trying to ensure there is any information on this niche type of hitch used on garden tractors. I've spent the better part of a day scouring the web for useful information on the subject, and the only reliable sources I can find are product pages. Otherwise, it is all web forum content or SEO-optimized/LLM-written garbage. Having a little bit written simultaneously improves that situation for non-experts looking for information, and prompts experts to improve the article. Notecharlie (talk) 15:18, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- If the only citations you can find are to advertising, best to leave it off of Wikipedia then. The encyclopedia only takes notice of things once other independent sources do. MrOllie (talk) 15:29, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- You got me digging further into this subject: I finally found a standard published by ASAE and ISO (Although I have not yet found a patent, which I would consider more useful). Would this warrant sufficient reference to expand the subject? (fwiw, in this case it's ISO 9192:1991 "Lawn and garden ride-on (riding) tractors — One-point tubular sleeve hitch" Notecharlie (talk) 16:43, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- Patents and standards are also primary sources. If independent secondary sources (that would be things like newspaper articles, books from academic publishers, etc.) don't see fit to comment, neither should Wikipedia. Think of it this way - you can probably document thousands of pipe fittings based on product catalogs, patents, and standards documents. But an encyclopedia would not contain a list of those pipe fittings because it is off-topic for what an encyclopedia is. MrOllie (talk) 16:51, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- Based on my best understanding of wikipedia editing guidelines, inclusion of this section with the ISO standard cited should be appropriate, due to WP:NNC; while additional/secondary sources are worth finding, I think a common garden tractor hitching mechanism used by multiple vendors and standardized warrants brief mention in an article about tractors. I agree, based on WP:Notability it does not warrant it's own page based on the sources I've found. For now I'll bring it up on Talk:Tractor. Notecharlie (talk) 17:54, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- Your best understanding is not correct. We'd need more than the existence of one standard or another for the reason I just explained. Wikipedia is WP:NOT a product catalog. MrOllie (talk) 17:56, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- Based on my best understanding of wikipedia editing guidelines, inclusion of this section with the ISO standard cited should be appropriate, due to WP:NNC; while additional/secondary sources are worth finding, I think a common garden tractor hitching mechanism used by multiple vendors and standardized warrants brief mention in an article about tractors. I agree, based on WP:Notability it does not warrant it's own page based on the sources I've found. For now I'll bring it up on Talk:Tractor. Notecharlie (talk) 17:54, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- Patents and standards are also primary sources. If independent secondary sources (that would be things like newspaper articles, books from academic publishers, etc.) don't see fit to comment, neither should Wikipedia. Think of it this way - you can probably document thousands of pipe fittings based on product catalogs, patents, and standards documents. But an encyclopedia would not contain a list of those pipe fittings because it is off-topic for what an encyclopedia is. MrOllie (talk) 16:51, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- You got me digging further into this subject: I finally found a standard published by ASAE and ISO (Although I have not yet found a patent, which I would consider more useful). Would this warrant sufficient reference to expand the subject? (fwiw, in this case it's ISO 9192:1991 "Lawn and garden ride-on (riding) tractors — One-point tubular sleeve hitch" Notecharlie (talk) 16:43, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
- If the only citations you can find are to advertising, best to leave it off of Wikipedia then. The encyclopedia only takes notice of things once other independent sources do. MrOllie (talk) 15:29, 1 July 2024 (UTC)