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If you have any questions, please don't hesitate to contact me on my talk page. Ian (Wiki Ed) (talk) 21:11, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

ENG 465 Check-In

Hi Paula,

This is Sam, the TA from ENG 465! Prof. Hanley asked me to help get in touch with everyone this weekend to make sure the Wiki assignments are moving along smoothly.

It looks like you chose a good topic already! Of course, Prof. Hanley has the final approval for topic selection, but I think yours will be fine. I noticed how you selected the middle ground of the 3 articles you evaluated, as far as not choosing an article with too little information to begin with and also not choosing an article that is already very in-depth. I think Mother/Android should give you some areas for improvement that will work well. Personally, I also think it's a little easier to edit articles about recent films than recent video games or books, because you can watch a movie from start to finish very quickly if you need to, and there are usually an abundance of sources.

It looks like you're at a point where you just need to start collecting quality sources for your Bibliography page and the Talk Page. Adding your in-progress bibliography to the Talk Page can (potentially...) get you some really good feedback from other Wikipedians. And then you'll be ready to start drafting the changes you want to make to improve the article, beginning in your sandbox.

Let me know if there's anything I can do to help! I have email notifications on, so you can reply to me here, or message me in Zoom on Tuesday! I'd be happy to help anyway I can, whether that's through email or Zoom, or just here on your Talk Page! --Sjnickerson (talk) 00:39, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

Thank you Sam for the check-in! I've been prioritizing on my other classes since they are for my major, so I haven't really had time to focus on this project much.

If it's no trouble, could I ask for help on getting quality sources? Or the typical places I would find them? When I tried to look up stuff for Mother/Android, I would mostly just find press and magazine articles and reviews of the movie. I am not sure where to start. Nyaronya (talk) 16:15, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

Hi Paula! No worries at all, not trying to rush you, just trying to help! I know the middle of the semester gets so busy.

I realized I wouldn't be much help to anyone without participating in the Wiki project myself, and one strategy I think might be helpful is to use higher "class" articles (Stub and Start are the lowest classes, then C, B, and A classes in the middle, and Good Articles and Featured Articles are the best) similar to your own article to use as a standard for your own. For example, I'm planning to edit Elysium, which is a C-class article, so I'm using Atlantis: The Lost Empire as a model, because it's a Featured Article on a sci-fi film.

You could also use Atlantis: The Lost Empire, but I did some digging here, and I think El Camino: A Breaking Bad Movie and Hellraiser: Judgment could be good models for you to use as examples. They're both Featured Articles on movies that were released in the past couple years, like Mother/Android. They aren't really sci-fi, but the Breaking Bad one was also primarily released via streaming like Mother/Android, and the Hellraiser one was also a relatively low-budget film, like I think Mother/Android probably was. Any changes you make to Mother/Android to make it look more like either of those two in terms of structure and content will probably be well-received!

You can also look at their References sections and get a feel for what is appropriate. I think because films are more "pop culture" than a lot of other topics on Wikipedia, it's more acceptable to use "pop culture" sources when you're making your edits. I'm seeing a lot of the sources are well-known, national culture- and entertainment-focused magazines and websites like Vulture, Entertainment Weekly, TV Insider, The Hollywood Reporter, Polygon, Esquire, etc. You can probably just Google "Mother/Android" and the names of almost any of those publications and find some interesting sources from there! Printed or video interviews with the cast or crew (maybe from YouTube?) would probably work great too, if you can find them!

I guess the last piece of advice I'd offer is that Wikipedia is looking for us to add objective, verifiable information... reviews from well-known film reviewers in well-known publications are great, for example, but try to focus on adding information from those reviews that are clear, straight facts about Mother/Android and/or its production and/or its reception, not on the reviewer's individual interpretation of what the film "means," you know?

Hope that was at least a little helpful! If I was confusing or you want any other assistance, let me know! We can also setup a Zoom or in-person meeting too if you think it would be beneficial, but hopefully this is enough to get you started :) --Sjnickerson (talk) 19:40, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

Hey Sam, I wanted to ask about adding images to the article since one of the peer reviews I got suggested adding one. For my article, I just want to add the Netflix version of the movie poster since what is on the current article is the Hulu poster. I initially found the poster on the fan wiki for Netflix. However I'm not sure if it is a good idea to actually add the Netflix version of the poster and I'm not sure where to get the original photo from. Sorry for the trouble! Nyaronya (talk) 04:27, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

Hey Paula,

I saw on your peer reviews where people suggested images, but I think part of that is because the peer review guidelines mention them... I know Prof. H talked yesterday some of the strategies for incorporating images, but my first instinct is that since the movie released on Hulu first, it makes more sense to just use the Hulu release poster anyway. The design of both the Hulu and Netflix posters would most likely be under copyright, and if you look at the rationale here for using the a copyrighted movie poster, I don't think you could extend that rationale to using two movie posters.

To be totally honest, if you haven't already put a lot of effort into finding a way to incorporate an image into your article that falls within Wikipedia's Fair Use Rationale guidelines, it might not be worth worrying too much about. I don't think your grade would be affected at all!

On the other hand, if you absolutely do want to incorporate an image, let me know and I'm sure we could make it happen! --Sjnickerson (talk) 21:00, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

P.S. Just left Prof. H's "greenlight" for you in your article draft's Talk Page and wanted to make sure you see it! --Sjnickerson (talk) 21:16, 20 April 2022 (UTC)