OdaraM

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Nomination of Janet Shearon for deletion

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Hawkeye7 (discuss) 19:44, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

Poor sourcing

Thank you for contributing to the article TJ Kirk. However, please do not use unreliable sources such as blogs, your own website, websites and publications with a poor reputation for checking the facts or with no editorial oversight, expressing views that are widely acknowledged as extremist, that are promotional in nature, or that rely heavily on rumors and personal opinions, as one of Wikipedia's core policies is that contributions must be verifiable through reliable sources, preferably using inline citations. If you require further assistance, please look at Help:Contents/Editing Wikipedia, or ask at the Teahouse. Thank you. Kuru (talk) 23:03, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

I've run across another half-dozen or so bad sources you've added today. Please note that IMDB cannot be used to support biographical information; some of the places you added it very explicitly asked for a source other than IMDB. You also seem to be running into a lot of the terrible "net worth" style celebrity scrapers. Please take a look at WP:RS when you get a chance - it's very difficult to find reliable sources for TikTok and YouTube personaloitoes that meet our standards. We need to carefully evaluate the sources used on biographies. In would also be helpful if you went through you recent additions and re-evaluated those sources. Kuru (talk) 23:19, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for letting me know and for being so polite - I'll go back and find better sources or I'll remove the sources I added and replace them with the "citation needed" note. Thanks again! OdaraM (talk) 07:49, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Janet Shearon

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A tag has been placed on Janet Shearon requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G4 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the page appears to be a repost of material that was previously deleted following a deletion discussion, at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Janet Shearon. When a page has substantially identical content to that of a page deleted after a discussion, and any changes in the content do not address the reasons for which the material was previously deleted, it may be deleted at any time.

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Your submission at Articles for creation: Teddy Fresh (April 11)

Your recent article submission has been rejected. If you have further questions, you can ask at the Articles for creation help desk or use Wikipedia's real-time chat help. The reasons left by RPSkokie were: This topic is not sufficiently notable for inclusion in Wikipedia. This submission is contrary to the purpose of Wikipedia. The comment the reviewer left was: Merge it with Hila Klein.

RPSkokie (talk) 18:43, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

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Teddy Fresh

Hello, I noticed that you tried to submit the Teddy Fresh to AFC. Please see split discussion on Hila Klein Talk Page and respond if you support it. Jupiteralien (talk) 20:51, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

Hi - thank you for letting me know. I have added two supporting arguments to the discussion on Hila Klein OdaraM (talk) 07:47, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

Yurie Sekiya moved to draftspace

An article you recently created, Yurie Sekiya, is not suitable as written to remain published. It needs more citations from reliable, independent sources. (?) Information that can't be referenced should be removed (verifiability is of central importance on Wikipedia). I've moved your draft to draftspace (with a prefix of "Draft:" before the article title) where you can incubate the article with minimal disruption. When you feel the article meets Wikipedia's general notability guideline and thus is ready for mainspace, please click on the "Submit your draft for review!" button at the top of the page. Jeni Wolf (talk) 10:41, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

Hi, thank you for your message. I appreciate you moving the article into the draftspace instead of nominating the article for deletion. I will dig around the internet for some independent sources to support the article. I'm assuming that the interviews I have cited do not count? OdaraM (talk) 13:55, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia and copyright

Hello OdaraM! Your additions to Hila Klein have been removed in whole or in part, as they appear to have added copyrighted content without evidence that the source material is in the public domain or has been released by its owner or legal agent under a suitably-free and compatible copyright license. (To request such a release, see Wikipedia:Requesting copyright permission.) While we appreciate your contributions to Wikipedia, there are certain things you must keep in mind about using information from sources to avoid copyright and plagiarism issues.

• You can only copy/translate a small amount of a source, and you must mark what you take as a direct quotation with double quotation marks (") and cite the source using an inline citation. You can read about this at Wikipedia:Non-free content in the sections on "text". See also Help:Referencing for beginners, for how to cite sources here.
• Aside from limited quotation, you must put all information in your own words and structure, in proper paraphrase. Following the source's words too closely can create copyright problems, so it is not permitted here; see Wikipedia:Close paraphrasing. Even when using your own words, you are still, however, asked to cite your sources to verify the information and to demonstrate that the content is not original research.
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It's very important that contributors understand and follow these practices, as policy requires that people who persistently do not must be blocked from editing. If you have any questions about this, you are welcome to leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you. Pabsoluterince (talk) 16:41, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

Hello, thank you for your message and constructive criticism. Most of what was deleted forms part of the Draft:Teddy_Fresh article that was merged with Hila_Klein. I contributed to this article but did not write the whole thing. However, some of what I did write was deleted though I did not copy this from anywhere so I am understandably confused as to why what I wrote was deleted for copyright infringement. Please can you share the source material I allegedly copied so I can try to understand what happened here. Thank you in advance for your help! OdaraM (talk) 17:05, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

Specifically this edit plagarised this page as seen here. This edit plagarised from here as seen here. Pabsoluterince (talk) 01:01, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

Ah okay, I see. Thank you for clarifying, it's really helpful. If I rephrase that section so it is no longer plagarised, can I add back what I wrote about Teddy Fresh to Hila Klein's page? Is there anything else that you recommend I should change before adding the content back? I'm just asking because I am really keen for that information to be published on Wikipedia but I have no interest in starting an edit war which is why I would like to check first before taking any steps to add the content back. I look forward to your response! OdaraM (talk) 07:05, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

You of course may. I of course think the way I left it is perfect but you may change my mind. Keep in mind that Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information. Articles should provide summary-only descriptions of works. Consider how important each tidbit of detail is in terms of their notability in general. Also note that the first source ([1]) is a primary source. Secondary articles are more useful for establishing the topic's notability. Sorry for that word vomit, there is a steep learning curve when it comes to writing articles (especially those of WP:BLP). Pabsoluterince (talk) 16:45, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

I do like how you left the article but I am wanting to expand the Teddy Fresh section because I was asked to merge it with Hila_Klein's page (see the Split Suggestion on talk:Hila_Klein and contribute your opinion if you have a conviction one way or the other). I personally believe that Draft:Teddy_Fresh should be an article in its own right but until then, it was suggested to include all of its contents on Klein's page instead. I hope this clarifies my wanting to edit and add to the Teddy Fresh section but when doing so, I will keep all of your advice in mind. Thank you again for your help and messages! OdaraM (talk) 06:02, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

I have contributed to the split decision. I have no problems with additions to the Hila Klein article; however, having combed over the content of the draft which was pasted into the article, I have misgivings about any readditions of content I removed. I question how much more is notable to say, but there may be much more, I'm not sure. Pabsoluterince (talk) 06:22, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

Oh yes, I didn't realise that we had interacted on that talk page already.

I'll give Hila_Klein a second look through and make sure that anything I add is notable enough to justify being included. For instance, I think that the controversies section needs to be more complete. To take the Gone But Not Forgotten controversy as an example, the way that that section is written right now doesn't do justice to what happened. Based on what is written, it seems as though Teddy Fresh intentionally copied the design and made mo efforts to rectify the situation. Given that the controversy is something notable that happened (as is evidenced by it being reported on by a handful of secondary sources), I feel that those details should be included in the article. Additionally, having a fleshed out controversies section offers a balanced perspective on the brand which ensures that the Teddy Fresh section does not read as a promotional piece. This is the second reason why I feel strongly that this section should be returned to how it was originally written. I do however believe the controversies section would be better suited to a dedicated Teddy Fresh article instead of Hila's page, but until that day comes and while the articles are merged following the Wiki mods' advice, I strongly feel that it should be recorded on Klein's page.

Furthermore, I think that it is important to record the specific collaborations Teddy Fresh has landed in detail because, not only are these notable based on the secondary sources cited for this section, they make clear how established Teddy Fresh is as a brand. Additionally, considering that these collaborations are becoming more and more central to the brand, maintaining a record is both relevant and useful. OdaraM (talk) 16:14, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

Yep. I added some additional content to the jumper controversy. WP:Original research isn't allowed on wiki articles, so despite them eventually contacting and releasing the jumper, this has to be cited somewhere to be included. Otherwise it seems like you understand the process. Thanks for being open and friendly to the advice. Happy editing Pabsoluterince (talk) 06:08, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

I'll take a look and add anything I feel is necessary. Happy editing! OdaraM (talk) 10:53, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

I have had some time to take another look over the [Hila_Klein] page since this conversation.

I rephrased the few lines you pointed out were copyrighted to resolve this issue.

Also, I have added a note saying "citation needed" to part of the controversy section to address your feedback regarding writing from my own research. This is a minor detail and given that this controversy is relatively recent, there is still plenty of time for secondary sources to cover the story. Therefore, I don't believe it would be appropriate to leave the information out, especially given that it is one line.

Lastly, I have justified why the other information I have included in the Teddy Fresh part of Klein's career section should be there earlier in this thread and you seemed to agree. Please let me know if you have any other issues with my edits.

Once Draft:Teddy_Fresh gets approved as its own article, most of this information can be moved. However, until that point, it should be featured on Klein's page because the brand is certainly notable enough and backed by a sufficient number and variety of independent and reliable secondary sources to demonstrate this. OdaraM (talk) 10:04, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

Hi OdaraM, there is a large difference between what the source wrote: "Ethan claims that it was one of their former employees who submitted the design", and what you wrote: "The copied dinosaur design was submitted by one of Teddy Fresh's former employees". This distinction is important. Wikipedia is about verifiability, not truth. This means we do not add facts about something in a page because "there is still plenty of time for secondary sources to cover the story" or because it's the truth. Our policy on WP:Original research additionally forbids your own research. Besides that, this is a cut and paste of the Draft:Teddy Fresh which I have already gone through and reworked. By pasting it back in over my edits you've manually reverted my edits for those sections without addressing most of the issues. With this in mind, I have reverted your changes. Take a look at what I wrote the last time you pasted the draft into the article and then we can discuss that on the talk page or you can address it in your next (hopefully smaller) edits to the page. Pabsoluterince (talk) 13:17, 19 May 2022 (UTC)

I understand, thank you. OdaraM (talk) 16:43, 22 May 2022 (UTC)

Concern regarding Draft:Yurie Sekiya

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