User talk:OnBeyondZebrax/Use feminine pronouns

Discussion

Replacing "his" with "her" to fight sexism is... sexist in itself. Just use a gender neutral "their". 174.117.121.225 (talk) 15:16, 1 September 2016 (UTC)

Concurred. They/their is perfectly acceptable and makes more sense.146.229.117.246 (talk) 00:51, 14 September 2016 (UTC)

Agreed. WP:GNL and MOS:NEO, when combined, imply "they/their". KATMAKROFAN (talk) 01:24, 9 October 2016 (UTC)

You're suggesting that "she" is a recently-coined word? Also, MOS:GNL cites approvingly to the essay Writing about women, which suggests, as valid alternatives, both generic "she" and alternating between "he" and "she." Rebbing 22:35, 1 April 2017 (UTC)

Me too. Singular "they" rules! Zakawer (talk) 14:38, 14 November 2016 (UTC)

Agreed. I see that a consensus has formed on this talk page. I'll be moving the page into the creator's userspace.

• Alerting the participants →174.117.121.225, 146.229.117.246, KATMAKROFAN, and Zakawer√

• Alerting the creator →OnBeyondZebrax√

--Mr. Guye (talk) 20:20, 1 April 2017 (UTC)

I disagree with your assessment of consensus. This discussion was not about whether to keep this essay in project space, nor was that possibility advertised to anyone. Also, IPs don't receive mentions. Rebbing 22:35, 1 April 2017 (UTC)

Mr. Guye, I can't see any reason to move this to user space, unless OnBeyondZebrax has requestesd it. If s/he hasn't, it should be moved back. SarahSV ^(talk) 02:00, 2 April 2017 (UTC)

@SlimVirgin and Rebbing: Violates WP:GNL.--Mr. Guye (talk) 02:05, 2 April 2017 (UTC)

GNL is a nonbinding essay; see the notice at the top? It has the same status as this one. An essay can't "violate" another essay, so this justification is unpersuasive. Rebbing 02:11, 2 April 2017 (UTC)

It isn't unusual in academia to use the female pronoun as the generic one. One writer called it the "linguistic equivalent of affirmative action". The essay is recommending that practice. SarahSV ^(talk) 02:19, 2 April 2017 (UTC)

At this point, it appears clear that consensus does not exist for forcibly userfying this essay. Since consensus is needed for moving essays to user space, not for putting them in project space, cf. WP:GUIDES (Essays "may be created and written without approval."), I think this ought to be moved back to its original location. Rebbing 02:33, 2 April 2017 (UTC)

Untitled topic from 23 May 2018

I thought this page was a joke but it doesn't seem to be. Doesn't belong on Wikipedia at all, everyone who is academically trained knows to use gender neutral pronouns when the gender is not known. Cls14 (talk) 16:10, 23 May 2018 (UTC)

@Cls14: Yeah, but, unfortunately, virtually anyone can create an essay. Essays writers can claim pretty much whatever they want, no questions asked, and there is not much anyone else can do about it… We are able, though, to fight back any attempt to misrepresent essays as "laws." Kind regards, --Usien6 17:53, 25 May 2018 (UTC)

This essay contradicts MOS:GNL

This essay is well-intentioned, but it contradicts the MOS:GNL guideline, which states Use gender-neutral language – avoiding the generic he and generic she, for example – where this can be done with clarity and precision. As such, I recommend that it be userfied or marked as historical. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 07:22, 8 June 2020 (UTC)

Update: As there has been no reply, I have tagged this essay with a caution box noting the MOS guidance. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 19:26, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

@Sdkb:@OnBeyondZebrax: WP:GUIDES:Essays the author does not want others to edit, or that contradict widespread consensus, belong in the user namespace.. An essay that contradicts MOS:GNL belongs in user namespace in my opinion. Pabsoluterince (talk) 15:24, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Is this supposed to be ironic?

Uh... this seems so ironic that it needs a banner, but at the same time it seems real. Arsonxists (talk) 15:46, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

Requested move 9 May 2022

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved per request. Favonian (talk) 15:07, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

---

Wikipedia:Use feminine pronouns → User:OnBeyondZebrax/Use feminine pronouns – Wikipedia:Policies_and_guidelines#Essays states: "Essays that contradict widespread consensus belong in the user namespace." This essay in project space contradicts MOS:GNL, which, since it's the MOS, I would hope has widespread consensus! So, this essay should go to the author's user space. casualdejekyll 01:34, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

1. Support' Per above. Pabsoluterince (talk) 01:57, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
2. Support per nomination. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 06:41, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

Support per nom. No redirect should be left behind after the move. Gonnym (talk) 09:34, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

That would break a lot of internal links. Dekimasuよ! 14:07, 10 May 2022 (UTC)

Couldn't back links be unlinked quite easily? Pabsoluterince (talk) 22:44, 12 May 2022 (UTC)

• Support Per nom. This totally contradicts established policy, so unless that policy is voted to be changed it should not be in Wikipedia namespace. Note that a lot of the links to this page stem from it being listed in Template:Wikipedia essays and can be changed easily. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 06:03, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.