User talk:Orderinchaos/Archive 2012-2018

IAR again

The roads people are back at it again, they have started a deletion discussion without notifing the Australian project. Bidgee (talk) 03:56, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

It's baaaack.....

....and List of places in Western Australia by population is unsourced. This appears to have been a cut and paste move from List of Places in Western Australia by Population. --AussieLegend (talk) 16:23, 3 January 2012 (UTC)

Communists

Sorry for late reply (impromptu mini-wikibreak). I generally keep an eye on the AEC's recent decisions for general updates, although even they usually go up only about a month after the ruling. I really, really wish these minor parties would settle on one name and stick to it; I remember the Climate Change Coalition and Conservatives for Climate and Environment changed their names just before they were deregistered, for some unfathomable reason, which leaves me wondering where their pages should go. As for The Communists, I was rather surprised to find that title unoccupied and not requiring disambiguation! And at least their name change is nowhere near as irritating as The Climate Sceptics'. Frickeg (talk) 09:57, 17 January 2012 (UTC)

Carl Feilberg

You have previously been in on the case and we could need you comment - for or against delete this case hereHelsned 02:10, 23 January 2012 (UTC) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Carl_Feilberg#Carl_Feilberg

South West Queensland

I need some help again. I just started South West Queensland and found a reference from the Department of Local Government and Planning for population at 8,200. However if I add the 6 shire populations from 2006 ABS census data I get a much higher number, 25,139. I left the first one because the lower figure matches the same area figure. I was going to add the shire areas and populations with 2010 data but the Maranoa Region has 2009 data and a much higher population figure at 114,105 alone. I know that area has seen a lot of growth from mining but it seems very high. Can you resolve this? - Shiftchange (talk) 13:10, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

Happy Australia Day! Thank you for contributing to Australian content!

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Yeah well

What do you make of the template then - is that OR? SatuSuro 23:29, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

The template is a substitute for having to account for all those little LGAs down there that will probably end up getting merged anyway. :P Every other LGA has its own box. Orderinchaos 23:45, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

Second Gillard Ministry

		The Barnstar of Diligence
		This barnstar is awarded to Orderinchaos for his merge of the Second Gillard Ministry and the layout of the page to accurately reflect the ministry's first arrangement that was announced on 11 September 2010 and a significant reshuffle that took place on 14 December 2011. Rangasyd (talk) 11:52, 4 February 2012 (UTC)

Perth Modern School

Needs to be on watch - repeated scurrilous POV etc SatuSuro 03:47, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

fiddling

ha HAHA ha if only we had the numbert of eds attneding as we have had edits of the meetup page :( SatuSuro 07:54, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

Sock?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Kapitan110295 - I seem to recall this username before, interesting userpage... do you recall him? Timeshift (talk) 22:15, 25 February 2012 (UTC)

Youropinion

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Towns_Wheatbelt_WA -has towns that belong in the midwestregion rather than wheatbelt - any thoughts on this? SatuSuro 11:51, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

It does?? The Wheatbelt extends a fair bit north of Perth, and includes Moora, Dandaragan and Wongan-Ballidu amongst others - if you see anything which is specifically within the Mid-West, let me know. Orderinchaos 12:50, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

Second Gillard Ministry

Do you think the recent reshuffle should be separated out into a separate table, like the December 2011 one? I've asked the question on the talk page but wanted your input since you made the changes. Frickeg (talk) 07:28, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

Happy Adminship Anniversary

Wishing Orderinchaos a very happy adminship anniversary on behalf of the Wikipedia Birthday Committee! Armbrust, B.Ed. ^{Let's talk}_{about my edits?} 00:46, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

Happy First Edit Day

Happy First Edit Day, Orderinchaos, from the Wikipedia Birthday Committee! Have a great day! Armbrust, B.Ed. Let's talkabout my edits? 23:41, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

Ray O'Connor

"...defeating Stan Lapham, a Labor man who had held the seat for 26 years." WTF. Do you know anything about this bloke? Moondyne (talk) 04:25, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

Black and Bolton seems to think 6 years. It says he held North Perth from 1953 to 1959 (where he was indeed defeated by O'Connor), then Karrinyup 1968-1974 after two unsuccessful attempts in 1962 and 1965. He was on a few parliamentary committees and one honorary royal commission, but aside from that seems fairly minor. If you like I can send you a copy of the page, as I have it here. Looking in the history, the 26 years claim has been there for years. Orderinchaos 04:48, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. Its been like that for several years so I thought there may be something more to this. Will fix and prolly make up a stub which I can glean from online stuff. Cheers. Moondyne (talk) 04:52, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

Got it. Moondyne (talk)

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O'Connor source

Hi. I'm a bit concerned that the [audio source given for Ray O'Connor actually goes to Ray Young, presumably the former Lib member for Scarborough. Do you know anything about this? We need to pull the content and citation iof it's not right. Cheers, Bjenks (talk) 19:45, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

Henrietta's terrible to link to. I've fudged a direct link to get the right content up. Orderinchaos 23:46, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

Literalism

It is possible to have locations by association rather than precise exactitude - this was going to be an off wiki discussion some days ago but you said you were hard to get hold of - at least there arent the old days of anxiety about 20 items or more for justification - I aint gonna give you a hard time - but really.... Also to take out the LGA names associated with - I can think of a whole range of sub-cats of something like the main suburbs of perth, western australia should be able to handle/accomodate - otherwise one is left with a situation where the larger perth w.a. category gets filled with crap... SatuSuro 05:31, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

Armadale is a suburb article - there is no "place" called Armadale beyond the boundaries set by the Geographic Names Committee. Associating a road which primarily services Banjup, Piara Waters and Forrestdale with a distant suburb, or a railway line whose busiest sections are in the Victoria Park-Cannington-Gosnells area, overstates the importance both of those to Armadale, and of Armadale to them. As for the LGA, it is not a property or derivative of the suburb (such as a street within it, or a building or school within it would be), so it doesn't make much sense to add the LGA under the suburb category either. It concerns me that we're wandering far into WP:OR territory with some of the classifications. Orderinchaos 05:32, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

Ok I tried ringing you but you werent answering - I can see the point about the specific category/suburb need to be perhaps tighter - I was thinking of ways of trying to see a way towards a looser category that allows for the name / association to be an allowable inherent part of a category - but maybe there are betters ways of doing it. SatuSuro 05:39, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

I'm actually on another call dealing with a friend's personal crisis, will talk later. Orderinchaos 05:41, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

ok some other time SatuSuro 05:43, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

Possibly unfree File:Hamersley land advert.jpg

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Assistance?

Hi. I saw your name listed on a page linked from WP:Harrassment. I'm looking for help with an editor who I had a content dispute with. User:Arcandam keeps harrassing my talk page with warnings misconstruing every edit I make. He's done it a couple of times before (history). I think it started with this warning template I used to him after he made unexplained, unconstructive changes to the article that we were discussing. We've been in discussion on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hip pop, where he responded to the previous with "editsummaries suck", and he's been pretty hostile to me there. I've tried to make nice and be humble at his talk page and the discussion page, so the discussion is about the content and not our character, but he's responded with accusations, calling me ignorant about the topic of the articles I edit, and does not assume good faith because I disagree with him on certain content. One of his main accusations is that I canvassed, b/c I asked editors of music-related articles to comment on a music-related discussion, and I primarily edit those kind of articles. He uses this to undermine any logical argument I make. Both at his talk page and the discussion page, he's threatened to follow the edits I make, so isnt that sort of uncivil or wrong? He is not considering anything I say, so I'm done trying his talk page. Can you please help? He seems to respond better to others who havent debated him yet. Dan56 (talk) 20:04, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

I tried Wikipedia:Wikiquette assistance, so you're welcome to comment there if you want to. Dan56 (talk) 20:19, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

Notification

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Perth move review

Looking at your comment you seem to favour JHunterJ's close, but your are headlining it with "no consensus". Would you take another look? Agathoclea (talk) 14:01, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

I do favour JHunterJ's close. I just am realistic enough to see that there's no way it will stick in the present circumstances. Orderinchaos 14:25, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

I liked your comment about stability and avoiding a RM war. When this whole thing is over I will try to get that incorperated into the guideline as we also have to think about those who link to us (although not as our primary concern) Agathoclea (talk) 16:02, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

RFAR Perth opened

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Can you please elaborate your view that Deacon's reversion of the move "served to stifle discussion on the subject"? Thanks, Ncmvocalist (talk) 17:49, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

I suggest you check your email, Orderinchaos. Ncmvocalist (talk) 07:59, 23 June 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for your Comments on the Freud Fracas

I did submit this problem to "Editor assistance," but I have not gotten any responses. If I can be of help to restore a bit of neutrality to the Freud lead, I am happy to do it, and I know more than enough about Freud and all the related epistemic issues to be helpful, but I don't have time or energy to fight off an editor like Polisher of Cobwebs. Even if I did, I feel pessimistic that the restoration of balance would remain indefinitely on a page that treats such a divisive topic. The Freud page used to be "good" and is no longer--what would safeguard against it becoming bad again, even if I improve it? Certainly I cannot devote the same level of vigilance to it that Polisher of Cobwebs does. If you have further ideas for how to proceed or want further input from me, let me know, I guess at my Talk page? Will that generate an email alert to me?Hypoplectrus (talk) 21:40, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

Hello, Orderinchaos. Regarding the above issue, could you please clarify the comments you made here, specifically to explain where you agree and disagree with me about content issues at the Freud article? Various issues have been under discussion at the article's talk page, and it might be helpful if you commented there. Thank you. Polisher of Cobwebs (talk) 04:25, 23 June 2012 (UTC)

Apologies to both of you - I got caught up in offline stuff (I'm a tutor and it's the very end of semester) plus an ArbCom case. I will get onto this shortly. Orderinchaos 01:34, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

Thank you. Hypoplectrus is continuing to behave in a very aggressive and confrontational way, and it's getting difficult to deal with. Polisher of Cobwebs (talk) 21:03, 3 July 2012 (UTC)

Perth, WA

Can't get over the BS, almost moved the article back but I'll be away for two days and don't want to be part of the ArbCom crap (I can see the path it is already going down). Bidgee (talk) 19:28, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

No point in getting involved - there's too much blood on the walls already. Even though I agree with the end point, I can't see the move last night as a good thing because of the timing. Enjoy your time away. Orderinchaos 01:30, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

Re: Working Wikipedian's Barnstar

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Not leaving, but seriously questioning the administration of this site. As such I am unlikely to take on matters brought to my talk page unless they concern something I'm directly involved with or interested in.

I started here in July 2005 as an IP editor and in March 2006 as a named editor, and within 6 months of my arrival was welcomed into a local community of editors. I was fortunate to attend its first meetup, and still count a number of Perth editors as personal friends today. I've also been privileged to work with a wider community of Australian editors through the Australian WikiProject and its various sub-projects; with a wider group of editors and admins around the world; and as an elected board member of my national chapter for two years in 2009–2011. I still believe in the ideals behind Wikimedia, however, I feel that they have failed somewhere along the way at en.wikipedia. I remember hearing early last year about the Editor Trends Survey, marking a decline in contributors to en.wikipedia to a possible future level that would make even maintenance difficult let alone active content development, and I've seen the stagnation throughout much of the content on my watchlist. It seems that another hidden effect of the editor trends is an increase in the percentage of those whose main reason for being here is process rather than content. No matter where I look, process seems to be creeping in and destroying what is left of the content building that is going on. A politicised ArbCom going around desysopping people because it can, a Signpost whose "special issue" is a lowest-common-denominator political campaign worthy of Murdoch's discredited UK tabloids, a bunch of people running around telling people they can't edit content because some guideline they wrote themselves says otherwise, constant arguments about minutiae — it's all part of the same phenomenon.

And I find that sad, as someone who has worked hard for years to build content myself, and to contribute to it via the Wikimedia movement. A friend (who has been very active in advocacy and promotion in the past) recently told me he cannot in all good faith go out and encourage people to edit Wikipedia; I'm wondering that he's not mistaken. What will be here in 3 or 5 years from now? Those in charge aren't thinking about that, even though history will judge them for it. Orderinchaos 08:09, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

Sorry (though understand) that you feel that way. Like the world, WP is a scene of results forged in conflict, all semblances of co-operation being a subset of that. The answer is to abolish phony faiths while chipping away at it and riding with the punches. Ultimately the world can't care for human sentiment of any type, let alone feelings for goodness, honesty, transparency, etc.! Cheers, Bjenks (talk) 02:46, 21 July 2012 (UTC)

Meh, do some content. It'll cheer you up...Casliber (talk · contribs) 12:29, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

2011 Census

Howdy, I was going through some of the list of towns in WA such as Arthur River,Badgingarra, Dangin and Shackleton to start updating the population, and according to the 2011 census they have all grown in population, as have mny others I had a quick look at. Am I using the right reference (the updated one on each art) or am I reading something wrong? Hughesdarren (talk) 03:12, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

We have to wait until later in the year when the ABS bring out the localised stats. At present all we've got is the "suburb" stats, which could be half the shire's land area in some cases. Orderinchaos 04:38, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

OK. I'll revert the changes I made, CheersHughesdarren (talk) 04:47, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

Actually, on looking, those stats may never be available :/ They've massively reduced the number of Census Collection Districts, such that "Dangin" for example is the entire Shire of Quairading outside the town of Quairading itself, and Shackleton is the entire western half of the Shire of Bruce Rock. It's a shame CCDs are indivisible. Quite a number are correct though - use the "Geographies Search" under Advanced Search, go to State Suburb and inspect the map that results, I can see about 20 (including most of the shire towns in the Wheatbelt/Great Southern + Bremer Bay, Youngs Siding, Pinwernying, Kendenup, Newdegate, Hyden, Dwellingup, Ranford) which could be updated on present info. Orderinchaos 04:56, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

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Talk Back

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Question

Would you consider running for arbitrator this year? Newyorkbrad (talk) 19:49, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

I am flattered to be asked, especially by yourself - I will give it serious consideration, although that isn't yet a "yes". Orderinchaos 21:13, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

Hamersley,_Western_Australia#Politics.....

......needs updating.....(chuckle) Casliber (talk · contribs) 04:50, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

Oh dear, it does. :D I really need to rethink those tables, they *look* so 2007. I had other ideas at the time, will have to re-review them and also see what changes have been made to parser functions in the time since. Orderinchaos 08:57, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

Oooh look, I can sense a 5x expansion in......Kensington, Western Australia.....East Victoria Park, Western Australia....Welshpool, Western Australia (where 2/3rds of the WA museum now is...)...Wanneroo....Lake Joondalup Casliber (talk · contribs) 12:32, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

Yeah one of my plans (which I meant to roll out with the census statistics but missed the boat on) was to design an article template to replace stubs for Perth suburbs. I might still aim for that :) Have taken photos in 40+ suburbs for Commons so might try and integrate with that too. Orderinchaos 17:11, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

CDP/AC

I thought you may be interested in Talk:Niddrie state by-election, 2012. Timeshift (talk) 08:35, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

List of cities in Australia by population

Not sure what to do about these edits to List of cities in Australia by population. The refs seem to have been screwed up and the actions don't seem supported by the discussion that we had, but I'm a bit too busy to sort it out and I didn't want to do a wholesale revert. --AussieLegend (talk) 04:44, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

Wiped out with a flu atm... the edits look reasonable apart from the removal of UC/Ls which I notice have been restored since. Orderinchaos 16:18, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

FYI

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions/Zigzig20s&offset=20120815221058&target=Zigzig20s

and

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Australian_Wikipedians%27_notice_board&pe=1&#Small_towns

and

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Orderinchaos

makes

me realise why supersonic or some sort of sonic planes fall out of the sky viz http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-08-16/sonic-boom-surfer-waverider-crashes-after-31-seconds/4201722...

lack

of synchronicity, where parts dont speak to each other or something... but then this is wikipedia....

SatuSuro 23:51, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

John McGrath (Western Australian politician)

Why did you remove this tag? We need a picture of this elected official.Zigzig20s (talk) 19:09, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

So do 99% of biographies on Wikipedia. But the tag is about priority. Tagging 99% of articles on Wikipedia is not the goal here - "reqphoto" is short for "requested photo". If someone actually has a particular need for the photo, the tag should be used. This is not the case in this situation. Orderinchaos 08:38, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

I have a particular need for it, and similarly for all other politicians from the Perth area.Zigzig20s (talk) 20:04, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

Karragullen

File:Shire of Kalamunda sign, Karragullen.JPG. Moondyne (talk) 11:35, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks so much! I owe you one :P Orderinchaos 11:45, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

Moving Burma to Myanmar - ongoing poll

This is to let you know that an ongoing poll is taking place to move Burma to Myanmar. I know this happened just recently but no administrator would close these frequent rm's down, so here we go again. This note is going out to wikipedia members who have participated in Burma/Myanmar name changing polls in the past. It does not include banned members nor those with only ip addresses. Thank you. Fyunck(click) (talk) 23:31, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

Puftaloon

Hi. Would it be easy for you to take and add a picture of a Puftaloon? Thanks!Zigzig20s (talk) 16:14, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

Never actually heard of one of those... it's quite possible it's not made it to my state (WA has a very distinctive culture from the other Australian states). I'd suggest asking at WP:AWNB. Orderinchaos 00:42, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

Engleham block

Just a FYI, Engleham appears to have socked and was caught in his attempt to circumvent the original block for personal attacks. Please take a look at their editing and see if it might be worthwhile to revise their block due to the extended circumstances (Grosly BLP violating editing, socking, and personal attacks). Hasteur (talk) 16:05, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

City of Melton

The former Shire of Melton is now a city. Not sure what else needs to be done to the article etc. to reflect this. Also, the infobox and the cats say it was established in 1994 yet the Council webiste suggests they are celebrating their 150th anniversary. As I recall, Melton was one of the few Victorian LGAs that was not abolished and recreated. Cheers, Mattinbgn (talk) 04:01, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

Cool - the major thing is usually its constituent suburb articles and also infoboxes in neighbouring LGAs. And yeah, for some reason the article said 1862 and gave a whole history while the infobox said 1994... I've gone with that and changed the infobox accordingly. Thanks for letting me know :) Orderinchaos 04:30, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Timeshift9 (2nd nomination)

Hi Orderinchaos. Because you participated in Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2011 June 5#User:Timeshift9, you may be interested in Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Timeshift9 (2nd nomination). Cunard (talk) 06:02, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

Re-instantiation/Re-creation of an article

Hi, I am not familiar with the editing process of Wikipedia in the slightest, so I'm asking you some questions, as you were involved with the deletion of an article I believe deserves to be re-instated (re-created?), I hope this is ok! The page for Left Right Think-Tank was deleted in March 2010 for lack of notability Left_Right_Think_Tank. Left Right has significantly grown in the past years, and I believe there are sufficient verifiable, independent sources. To be clear, I most certainly have a conflict of interest, as I am a volunteer for Left Right.

What I'm asking is how I should go about this. Should I just create the page and make clear my affiliations? Should I request the creation?

Thank you JakeSpi (talk) 05:10, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

My advice would be to create it at User:JakeSpi/Left Right Think Tank as if you were creating an article, and basically get it to a stage where it could be published into article space if the go-ahead is given. Once that's done, then let me know, and we can get a neutral admin to decide whether it's OK for copying to article space. (A fair few read this page so we may not have to look very far.) The key things it needs are a neutral tone of voice and independent references which substantiate the organisation's work, especially if they're books, academic journal articles or news articles. Hope this is of use. Orderinchaos 08:36, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

SW railway

The South Western Railway, Western Autralia category and article have been created and the

{{s-start}}
{{s-rail|title=Transwa}}
{{s-line|system=Transwa|line=Australind|previous=Harvey|next=Bunbury}}
{{end}}

which I assume you created is giving me the beegees with some real problems...

in your time please let me know what can or cannot be done to correct the issues

cheers Sats SatuSuro 14:02, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

If I recall User:Mackensen created the template... he's probably the best person to ask if he's still around as I never did get around to figuring out how it worked... Orderinchaos 14:01, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

Talk:Australian Christian Lobby

Hi there. I'm pinging you as an Australian editor who I know is pretty experienced. There's stuff going on at Australian Christian Lobby and talk page that could use some attention. I don't have the energy for full-blown participation but thought perhaps a range of experienced editors could help sort it out as a team. Regards, hamiltonstone (talk) 23:44, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

Merge discussion for Churches affiliated with Australian Christian Churches‎

An article that you have been involved in editing, Churches affiliated with Australian Christian Churches‎ , has been proposed for a merge with another article. If you are interested in the merge discussion, please participate by going here, and adding your comments on the discussion page. Thank you. WotherspoonSmith (talk) 04:26, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

It's a ridiculously incomplete list if the ACC's website is anything to go by - I found 60 affiliated churches just in Perth. Orderinchaos 05:46, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

Unprotection request

Hi Orderinchaos, you indefinitely semi protected Nabih Berri (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) in December 2008, how would you feel about unprotecting it to see if protection is still required? Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 10:37, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

Someone's already done so. The article seems to be in a reasonable state atm, let's hope it doesn't wander off into the great blue yonder again :) Orderinchaos 15:43, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

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Thanks. Really quite bizarre! :P Orderinchaos 13:39, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

Help

Hi, Hope all is well with you. I'm in need with a bit of a hand with writing the reference in the Crime in Western Australia which I can't get to display properly (using the ABS website). Have a look at the second ref in the list and see if you can do anything with it? Cheers Hughesdarren (talk) 12:19, 16 January 2013 (UTC)

Oops, don't mind me I'm an idiot - fixed it after all Hughesdarren (talk) 12:34, 16 January 2013 (UTC)

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Sorry we missed you!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Meetup/Perth/9 - hope we see you next time! - cheers sats 08:32, 6 April 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, was unwell. Orderinchaos 12:22, 6 April 2013 (UTC)

Hope youre feeling better - and thanks for the block sats 01:47, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

YMCA Youth Parliament articles

I see that you weighed in on the YMCA Queensland Youth Parliament article, that was subsequently deleted. If you have a chance, do you mind weighing in on: Talk:YMCA Youth Parliament#YMCA Youth Parliament articles.

Thanks!--CaroleHenson (talk) 03:44, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

Pingelly

Hi Mate, I made a change to this article, but note that it states that nominates it as "a stop on the Transwa bus service from Perth to Albany". This is not the direct route, but the 'long bus' that goes through the wheatbelt. I sure you will appreciate how crucially important this is, and that the reference deadlinks; God forbid our legacy should be erroneous information about a corner of our blue dot in the universe.

Hope all well with you, cygnis insignis 17:25, 20 April 2013 (UTC)

sheesh

thought we would never see you back, the zoo is wild, the monkeys are out, and not an elephant in sight sats 09:06, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

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User:Orderinchaos/csd.js

Hi. Can you please unprotect User:Orderinchaos/csd.js? Such pages can only be edited by the user to which they're attached or by administrators. Full protection adds no benefit. --MZMcBride (talk) 21:17, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

Hi!

Just thought I'd drop by and say Hi! Haven't seen you around much lately. --AussieLegend (✉) 14:59, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks :) I have plans to return and edit soon, just been mixing recovering from illness with being busy elsewhere. My unfinished QLD LGAs project that I started in 2008 needs me, as do the SA LGAs :P Orderinchaos 19:28, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

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Daniel Hitchcock

Hi. To hark back a bit, when you created these pages, what was your source for Daniel Hitchcock (Tamar, 1960–1979) being a Liberal? The Parliament website] seems to think he was an independent. Frickeg (talk) 10:13, 4 August 2013 (UTC)

Good question as it was a while ago! Colin Hughes' book was my major source for most things, but I can't remember what others if any I used. Orderinchaos 01:07, 8 August 2013 (UTC)

Queensland former LGAs

I was just about to write on your talk page to ask what you remembered from 2008 about the List of divisional boards in Queensland when I spotted your edit. I've just spent the afternoon in the Qld State Library reading: An explanation of the Divisional Boards Act : followed by the full text thereof, and the boundaries of the divisions : with alphabetical indices which lists the boards established by the 1879 Act. I found a few differences to your list (a few more and a few less), so I was wondering where your list came from, and what we might do to reconcile these various lists. I have also been using the Qld State Archives agency search to track down the history of these former LGAs, but it seems even the State Archives has a less than comprehensive coverage of this thrilling topic, but I was thinking of enlisting their help on the curly cases as they may info above and beyond what's in Archives Search. So I was hoping to collaborate and see if we can't produce the definitive list of former LGAs and the various dates and predecessor/successor organisations associated with them. If you prefer email (as I do), I'm available at kerry.raymond@wikimedia.org.au Kerry (talk) 07:07, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

Yeah the whole thing needs an update. I have the original list as gazetted on 11 November 1879 from the Queensland Government Gazette (which is now downloadable up until 1900, but the files are huge). The Archives collection as you say is very very incomplete. On 31 March 1903 they all became shires. I did a heap of research on it at the time back in 2008-09 (some here, some at the University of Melbourne library) but never actually got beyond doing up the vast majority of the former LGA articles with histories with the information. (A couple, like the renaming of Auburn to Mundubbera, were not even known to the councils concerned or recorded anywhere that I could find and I stumbled on them in gazettes while completing an entirely different series of articles...) There's also a very incomplete Local government in Queensland article I started, have research stuff to extend but never finished. Incidentally if you can find them the early census publications (as in 1920s or so) contained the foundation dates of all then-existing shires. I took photos of them but some of my photos are not very clear and the info isn't obtainable in WA. Orderinchaos 18:18, 21 August 2013 (UC)

Gosh, you have been busy on this! And thanks for the URL for the Govt Gazette as I had not known they were online (huge but potentially very useful for a range of WP content). Since I'm in Brisbane, if there are any documents that need to be physically consulted, I can do this (give me a yell). Kerry (talk) 08:56, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

No worries - it prompted me to do a probably five-year overdue task. I'm going to try and add in the meeting places where known too, as most of the names are utterly foreign to most readers, even Queenslanders. And thanks heaps - I might take you up on that! Orderinchaos 09:00, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

Stanley Bruce

See Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Stanley Bruce/archive1 - am not familiar with subject - how good is your knowledge of Australian political history to see if it is missing anything Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 08:22, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

your opinion

what do you think about generic regional arts on this suybject rather than any one location? https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mullewa%2C_Western_Australia&diff=571181945&oldid=571180368 - would be interested how you would place this issue rather than ust reverting a newbie... also offline maybe a converstion about wheatbelt media might be in good context cheers sats 09:28, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

LOL, definitely overkill... esp since pretty much all of that would apply to the entire region surrounding Geraldton. Orderinchaos 18:29, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

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Well, I took a few of the old neighbourhood north of the airport, but it is gone, and the development which was to take its place only seems to be 5% built. I don't think I'll put them on. An extremely unexpected development on the British New Guinea side: in POM New Guinea Pidgin seems to be universally spoken now which wasn't at all the case in the '90s much less the '70s and '80s! People from German New Guinea were forbidden to cross the line into British New Guinea for decades and decades after Australia was given administrative authority by the UK in 1905 after "federation" [sic] in 1900, and then seized it from Germany at the beginning of the First World War: non-white so not permitted into "Australian" territory till the 1970s! (Odd, and certainly not accomplishing the goal, by Indonesia yet again to rename Netherlands New Guinea, now as Papua!) Weirdly, I knew splendid Australians who couldn't go home because they were married to non-whites: ethnically Chinese or Melanesian! But of course hyper-awareness of complexion colour isn't limited to the American Deep South and Australia as widely thought. In Sindh, Pakistan, anyone pale is assumed to be a rural hick; one amazes people by being able to read at all, much less speak English. And on Bougainville and in the West Solomons it was outrageous when New Guinea Highlands student teachers were posted in the houses of teachers from the UK and Canada: "How dare you have that non-black in your house?!" "Well...look at me: I'm dead white!" "Ah, you just just like white; you're black inside. We like you and want you to stay. Don't worry, we're looking for a wife for you." Sorry for remaining anonymous with this message but....

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Hi, Could you take a look at the edits being made by a new user on the Janet Woollard and see what you think? Hughesdarren (talk) 13:05, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

Looks like an attempt at a whitewash. Need to be careful with the language though - in BLP situations it's probably best to use the exact words from the original article and check that that article isn't an outlier amongst others on the subject (Google News "archive" feature is good for checking this). Orderinchaos 13:32, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, I think its resolved now, producing a more sanitized article... Hughesdarren (talk) 22:03, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

Talk:Dennis Hood

Do you think Talk:Dennis Hood can be unprotected? Jackmcbarn (talk) 23:50, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

I'm happy to unprotect if someone is watching the page. Orderinchaos 06:41, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

Chartalism -> Modern Monetary Theory

Hi OIC, could you please rename Chartalism to Modern Monetary Theory per WP:COMMONNAME? A quick google search (and, indeed, the article itself) should reveal that the redirect is the wrong way around. --Surturz (talk) 03:16, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

Done. Hopefully it won't be too controversial :P Orderinchaos 07:20, 21 November 2013 (UTC)

Thank you kind sir. Given the article refers to the concept as MMT throughout, I think it should be okay. --Surturz (talk) 12:24, 21 November 2013 (UTC)

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Betacommand is back

Hello. I am contacting you because you are one of the editors/admins who is still active now, and was aware of the notoriously disruptive editor User:Betacommand, a.k.a User:Δ (Delta). As you probably know, he was eventually banned after a third arbitration case, due to the way he conducted himself in the pursuit of his main interest on Wikipedia, WP:NFCC enforcement.

What you may not know, is that he has evidently returned and has been editing as User:Werieth since 2012, in violation of that ban. After just a year, Werieth is already causing the same sort of disruption that Betacommand did - you may experience some deja vu by reading reports made about Werieth such as the one at the top of this AN archive. There are already several others. A quick perusal of Werieth's contributions will also reveal the same Betacommand-like self-assured approach, grounded in the belief that their edits are always "100% correct and 100% according to policy" (when the reality was that he made basic errors and pushed policy boundaries at a rate that, while acceptable in ordinary users for a time limited period, was found to be unacceptable in an editor with the edit rate and communication issues Betacommand had, especially given their inability to change)

I and others have already tried to expose his return via these sock puppet investigations, although as you can see, it's not getting far. That's not for the lack of an answerable case though - you can see the latest summary in this post. Most of the obstruction can be put down to the usual dysfunctional and counter-productive aspects of Wikipedia governance, which of course will always aid experienced WP:GAMErs like Betacommand.

But you may or may not be surprised to learn that the people obstructing this investigation the hardest are three admins whose own conflict of interest with regard to Betacommand/NFCC is best demonstrated in their own words - Black Kite (repeatedly deflects attention away from Werieth and onto accusers), Kww (blocks accusers, and has already unblocked Werieth once) and Future Perfect at Sunrise (has basically declared all out war on anyone who even whispers that Werieth might be Betacommand).

The purpose of this post is to raise awareness about his return, and hopefully persuade one or more of you to resubmit that SPI with the evidence I'm sure you will be able to compile using your own knowledge of Betacommand's characteristic traits. At the very least to prompt you to put his talk page on your watch lists and regularly review his contributions (although obviously, don't waste your time trying to deal with any issues you see on the flawed basis that he is just any old user).

Also obviously, you should also raise a red flag every time you see one of those three admins trying to further suppress the inevitable exposure of his ban evasion. If his return is to be covered up for an unnecessarily long time, it should at least be done simply through general incompetence, rather than obvious COI based abuse of the tools/trusted position of admin. A few emails to the arbcom members who dealt with Betacommand also probably wouldn't go amiss - if ordinary admins aren't bothered about this particular user's return (and you will remember, blinded by their enthusiasm for having someone, anyone, perform NFCC enforcement edits, a great many of them were unwilling to even admit his particular approach to that necessary work was a problem),

Betacommand's clandestine return to Wikipedia is bad enough as it is given that he has simply resumed where he left off in the NFCC enforcement field, with several users already having wasted a lot of time having to deal with him as if he were a legitimate user. But obviously the nightmare scenario if the cover-up is allowed to continue for another year, is if Werieth/Betacommand decides script assisted batch editing is not fast enough for his liking, and decides to take an altogether faster approach - possibly even trying to beat his "record". HTI 483 (talk) 17:18, 23 December 2013 (UTC)

I'm no longer that active on Wikipedia. I've had a very quick look and to be honest, there is circumstantial similarities in their approach which suggest it's the same person. Rather than creating sock accounts on Wiki to publicly protest about it, though, I'd suggest emailing the Arbitraton Committee on arbcom-l (at) lists.wikimedia.org - you'd need more specific evidence / examples than you've provided here but if a banned user is editing surreptitiously, they'd want to know. Orderinchaos 01:14, 24 December 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for all your work on the former LGAs!

	Merry Christmas!
	Best wishes for the 2014 WMAU committee! Kerry (talk) 07:06, 24 December 2013 (UTC)

Happy holiday season....

	Cheers, pina coladas all round!
	Damn need a few of these after a frenetic year and Xmas. Hope yours is a good one....Cheers, Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 09:53, 25 December 2013 (UTC)

Protection of Albany Senior High School

You protected Albany Senior High School, Western Australia in 2010 for excessive vandalism. It's been a while and the page seems pretty slow now. Would you consider lifting the protection? Crazynas ^t 11:06, 26 December 2013 (UTC)

Done. Orderinchaos 12:31, 26 December 2013 (UTC)

De-amalgamated Shires in Queensland

Hi, Oic! As you may or may not know, we have four de-amalgamated shires here in Queensland effective today:

• Shire of Douglas de-amalgamated from Cairns Region
• Shire of Livingstone de-amalgamated from Rockhampton Region
• Shire of Mareebade-amalgamated from Tablelands Region
• Shire of Noosa de-amalgamated from Sunshine Coast Region

I've gone through and updated the text in all 8 of these articles showing the 4 as being now de-amalgamated. But my problems are the maps. All the de-amalgamated shires are back to their old boundaries so their maps are OK, but the maps of the regional councils from which they are de-amalgamated are not OK. The maps were created by User:Roke who appears to have left Wikipedia/Commons in 2010. I am willing to have a go at updating the maps, but I just have no idea what tools/methods were used to create the maps in the first place. So I was wondering if you know anything about how those maps were created? Thanks Kerry (talk) 05:22, 1 January 2014 (UTC)

Somewhere on Commons there is a template map (larger size) which was used to generate all the smaller ones. It's in the same Commons category as the maps themselves. I used it a few times to generate maps of early LGAs. In some cases a cheat way of copying the old lines onto a new map from, say, one in a different part of Queensland (which I have also done at times), so long as you save in GIF or PNG so the pixels aren't altered by compression, would work... Orderinchaos 11:17, 2 January 2014 (UTC)

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History of Perth

I didn't just revert my previous edits. The copyright violations where corrected as far as I am aware with extensive revisions of offending paragraphs. The unencyclopedic lanaguage I guess is fair enough, but can I suggest it might be dealt with better through iterative edits given the fairly substantial contributions to the page my edits represent.Adondai (talk) 13:13, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

Please see my comments at Adondai's talk page - satusuro 13:18, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

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Transperth Fare Zone

Hey Orderinchaos, You edited Transperth Fare Zone and removed all the suburbs and revised the system. I was the guy who added all the suburbs and started putting in heaps of the bus stations. Would it be fine if you could put the page back the way it was before you edited it? I believe it is more practical, as it shows all the suburbs in that zone, so people can use that as a reference. Thanks!

EpicGiantMan (talk) 03:06, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

Oh, okay, now I understand what you mean. Thanks so much!

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Progress Party

Hi, OIC. While reviewing some old talk archives, I stumbled on your 2007 enquiry about the Progress Party. I can't recall replying, and must have missed it at the time. Let's know if you still need info. I had a minor advisory involvement with Richardson and other PP candidates in Perth around November 1977, following a fatal tiff I had with the Libs over their financing methods in Wanneroo. Earlier in Sydney (1974-5), I arranged a meeting of Doctors Reform Party/Workers' Party local leaders Dr Cunningham (pres) and Duncan Yuille (sec) and Australian Commonwealth Party candidate Max Fabre to discuss a preventive health-care policy (to which the WP turned out to be strongly opposed!!) It's possible that I may have some documentation in my wild and woolly career archive. Cheers Bjenks (talk) 03:34, 28 October 2014 (UTC)

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like an eternity

since I have been here - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Higher_education_in_Indonesia - you created - this am - the other variety has appeared satusuro 00:25, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

Help please

Hi, Orderinchaos I am writing you, because I saw you blocked Mongo for the last time in 2008. I dont know whom else to ask. Mongo is giving me trouble by reverting my completely proper and minor edits on Gary Weiss. He has reverted me [1] and [2], did not start a discussion and did not engage to my beginning of a discussion.

I know how to report for edit warring, but isnt this different because the page is "on probation"? I see no instructions how to act when the probation is violated, as in this case. He has just replied with a nasty message moving intimidation up a notch with threat of a ban, insulting language of childishness. PLease help!.--Wuerzele (talk) 06:10, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

Firstly, my role was an administrative one as part of an arbitration enforcement which was then current. Someone had blocked him for too long and I was reducing it to a more standard length. Anyway, in looking at this, blocking wouldn't be the right way to go about this.

I don't understand the issues under dispute - I've had a quick look and seen that you've made quite a few changes which have then been summarily reverted and that discussion seems to have hit a brick wall because only the two of you are present. You mention the article is on probation - that means it is an Arbcom issue, under the conditions of Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Mantanmoreland/Proposed_decision#Proposed_remedies. I'd edit on this topic very carefully in your situation, and if in doubt maybe raise a question by email to arbcom-l@lists.wikimedia.org if you need clarification. Orderinchaos 12:12, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

Orderinchaos, thanks a lot for responding and the email. I am glad I asked you. I will use that email.--Wuerzele (talk) 19:59, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

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Moving Burma to Myanmar - new 2015 poll

You participated in a Burma RM in the past so I'm informing you of another RM. I hope I didn't miss anyone. New move attempt of Burma>Myanmar Fyunck(click) (talk) 08:53, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

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Removing Category:Universities and colleges in Iraq?

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On 01:48, 4 May 2009 you removed Category:Universities in Iraq from its parent Category:Universities and colleges in Iraq. Just wondering why. I would appreciate a response on my talk page. I realize this happened six years ago, but I believe this is still pertinent. Thanks in advance, Ottawahitech (talk) 20:44, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

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15th

good to see you were able JarrahTree 13:53, 15 January 2016 (UTC)

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help requested

Hi. Do you have the time to look at the recent history of Louise Pratt and my talk page, and just check that things are left in a reasonable state? I added new info, with references, but not the part I was actually looking for, some has been improved and some removed by a user who claims to be the subject's former partner. I don't know where to look for better references, and not sure exactly how much is encyclopaedic vs personally invasive now, either :-/ I'm hoping you have a better idea of what is "known" in WA that should be included or not. Thanks. --Scott Davis ^Talk 05:22, 27 June 2016 (UTC)

Done - I was unaware of this myself, and that's given I know one person involved and have met the other! I asked discreetly among mutual personal friends and was then able to confirm the identity of the poster, and also the broad-brush facts of the situation. So it seems it's OK. Although this would normally be a COI situation for the poster, it was an unusual case where BLP trumped it. Orderinchaos 16:36, 27 June 2016 (UTC)

Thank you. I felt the poster was very aware of the COI issues as well as seeking to correct the content of the article, especially as it related to himself. It is an example of just how public our private lives can become sometimes, coupled with once soemthing is on the Internet, it never goes away. I appreciate your help. --Scott Davis ^Talk 00:39, 28 June 2016 (UTC)

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Nomination for deletion of Template:Australian politics/name/Socialist Alternative

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seems like

a long time ago since I would have said this, but it is good to see you editing again!! happy christmas !! JarrahTree 10:44, 23 December 2016 (UTC)

One of your photos?

I believe File:OIC rundle mall laneway.jpg is one of your photos?

This photo is of a section of Gilbert Place, taken from King William St, looking west, with Edmund Wright House on the left, and the Pancake Kitchen at the far end. Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 11:32, 29 January 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for the correction - I've renamed the file on Commons to reflect what it actually is. Orderinchaos 12:39, 29 January 2017 (UTC)

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A barnstar for you!

	The Original Barnstar
	Thank you so much for posting all of your research into the history of councillors elected to the BCC. It's a treasure trove! Rekowo (talk) 08:50, 20 March 2017 (UTC)

On this day, 11 years ago...

Hey, Orderinchaos. I'd like to wish you a wonderful First Edit Day on behalf of the Wikipedia Birthday Committee! Have a great day! Lepricavark (talk) 13:36, 22 March 2017 (UTC)

Mislabelled photo on Commons

Hi there, Orderinchaos! I am just working on the Treasury Building, Brisbane yet-another Queensland Heritage Register property (for which your photos have been a useful source of images for various QHR properties) when I bumped into this one which is mislabelled. It is not the Treasury Building (that is the building behind you when you took the photo) but rather the Land Administration Building. The source of your confusion is easily understood as both buildings were bought by the Treasury Casino where the Treasury building houses the gaming rooms of the casino and Land Administration Building houses the associated hotel. So I wondered if you could rename the file and put it into the Commons category Land Administration Building, Brisbane Thanks Kerry (talk) 07:00, 11 May 2017 (UTC)

There are a couple more: [3] and [4] Kerry (talk) 07:09, 11 May 2017 (UTC)

No worries, I'll move them to the correct names. And glad they were useful! I've still got a heap more to add. Orderinchaos 16:08, 13 May 2017 (UTC)

Thanks! And looking forward to seeing more of your photos. I too have a large backlog of photos to upload! Kerry (talk) 01:43, 14 May 2017 (UTC)

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Happy Birthday!

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Fair Use in Australia campaign update

I'm writing you this followup message, as you took the time to vote in support of a Wikipedia banner campaign for the introduction of Fair Use in Australia.

After much planning and coordination with the WMF, Australian Digital Alliance, and Electronic Frontiers Australia, as of Monday the banner-campaign is active on English Wikipedia to a portion of logged-out readers in Australia (technical details). The banners direct people to this page on Meta: FairCopyrightOz. That page, alongside lots of information, further directs people towards the campaign website faircopyright.org.au where Australians are invited to write to their local MP to express support of Fair Use. If you are interested in supporting this campaign, please, send a letter yourself using the template letter provided at that link.

Furthermore, and with the support of the ADA & EFA, we have received fantastic media coverage - with article "Fair Use: Wikipedia targets Australians in bid to change the law" appearing on page 2 of the Sydney Morning Herald and page 10 of the Melbourne Age on Monday's edition. It was for a time the 3rd most read article the Fairfax website, and Fair Use was "trending" on Twitter in Australia. We are running the account @FairCopyrightOz on twitter, and we are tracking other press-mentions on the talkpage on Meta.

Today, day 2, we published a detailed post about the campaign on the Wikimedia Blog, ran an "Ask Me Anything" Q&A session on the Australia page in Reddit, and [by happy coincidence of timing] the article History of fair use proposals in Australia appeared on the en.wp mainpage as a Did You Know. [The creation of that "history of..." article was a specific request arising from in the community consultation in which you voted].

And, most importantly, in a little more than a day nearly 800 letters to MPs have been sent encouraging them to support the Productivity Commission's recommendation to adopt Fair Use in Australia. I urge you - please add your own message.

Sincerely, Wittylama 16:10, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

Wiki Loves Pride 2017

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Nomination of a load of Brisbane/Queensland local football clubs for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether several articles about Brisbane local football clubs are suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether they should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Centenary Stormers FC until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

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Melbourne Wikimeetup

Date of next Melbourne meetup decided:

• When: 6-8pm, Sunday 8 July 2018
• Where: Beer DeLuxe, Flinders St

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Precious

Western Australia

Thank you for quality articles on places in Australia such as Hamersley, Western Australia, Cameron Park, New South Wales and Electoral district of Perth, for missing, for "a strong appreciation for different cultures and ideas", - you are an awesome Wikipedian!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:34, 27 July 2018 (UTC)

@Gerda Arendt: Aww, thank you very much! I really appreciate the recognition of my efforts, and hope you have a great day. Orderinchaos 06:20, 29 July 2018 (UTC)

National Union of Students

Please remove auto confirmed from this article, as it was set in 2013 has seen very little editing. Thank you 202.161.64.247 (talk) 09:34, 31 July 2018 (UTC)

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Zikt

Please explain why you deleted this page. It is not immediately obvious how this is "housekeeping". Populated places are "typically presumed to be notable" per WP:GEOLAND so would not normally be subject to CSD. SpinningSpark 18:36, 28 September 2018 (UTC)

In 2009 there was a mass bot creation drive of articles from a horrifically unreliable site, and a bunch of us were deleting the products. We did not have time to verify them, but using this method meant that if someone wanted to recreate the article and tend and water it, so to speak, there was no objection to doing so. Certainly, if there's good cause to recreate it, simply do so (though don't use fallingrain as a source). Orderinchaos 02:30, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

Dear sir [comma]

@Orderinchaos:

Re

tenplates

For the attention of Orderinchaos

I am writing to you regarding the template Western Australian regions.

I notice you had some input via the history of the page, and wonder if this is the venue to clench my fist and proceed to expound upon the issue in excruciating, and, ultimately, confusing detail on what I perceive to be its many, many short-comings?

Thank you for your attention to this matter before I even ask how you are going, mate, as I have been meaning to do, ask, how ya goin'?

Yours sincerely, cygnis insignis 19:36, 27 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi @Cygnis insignis:, great to hear from you :) Back studying Data Science, hope all is well in your world.

That template is just the official regions as established in the 1980s by the Burke government and maintained by governments of both stripes ever since. There's so many issues, some of the definitions actually conflict (eg Perth metro and Peel both contain Serpentine-Jarrahdale), there's no logical reason why some shires are Wheatbelt while others are Great Southern when they are economically and socially almost identical, and we're literally the only state with official definitions. Also older regions like the Murchison, Dundas etc have fallen into disuse even though they were actually useful. Orderinchaos 07:13, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

Just your cup of tea, and I want to ask you about constructing queries of taxonomic data sets one day.

I came across the term 'Midlands' the other day, anything beyond Guildford I think, and still raise an eyebrow when the country beyond the scarp is referred to as the 'mountain region'. Anyway, if the box was about bio- eco- or geo- regionalisation then people would expect a descriptor in the title. Few blink when it is arbitrary economic and political divisions that are presented as the regions ('cos hegemony?) but I think the type or class of these needs to be explicit. Best regards, cygnis insignis 07:51, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi can you look at

Hi can you look at Murder of Kylie Maybury, Murder of Sheree Beasley and Disappearance of Eloise Worledge, please? Paul Benjamin Austin (talk) 15:39, 10 November 2018 (UTC)