Palattu Koman

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Sockpuppets

Please stop using sockpuppets. --vi5in^[talk] 17:43, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Resolving this dispute

Would you be interested in starting a civil dialog instead of continuing down the path you have chosen? Otherwise I might have to go for an RfC. --vi5in^[talk] 19:27, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Stop writing in my user page

I know you're editing anonymously from 59.93.*.*. Besides that, please leave messages in my talk page and not on my user page. The struck out sentences are my way of showing what I wrote, and what I deleted so that others can see it. Who am I to ask you to grow up? Well, your comments were immature more than anything. Made doubly obvious by your choice of the username. What sort of "constructive" discussion were you hoping to engage in? You cast obvious aspersions. What is uncivil is your condescending and derogatory tone towards me. What is uncivil is the deliberate attack you make against my family simply to get a rise out of me. Though in another context it may be an actual opinion, it is more than obvious that you are doing it to offend me. It was the spirit of what you wrote, and not the letter. Was my ego bruised? Not really, but what is a fact is that you are being uncivil. There is no way I can even assume that you want to act in good faith now. You have created offensive sock puppets, other sockpuppets to repeatedly edit the article and post uncivil comments, sockpuppets to vandalize the Paliath Achan article, AND you have vandalized my user page. Now you want to know WHY I am offended?! I am going to request mediation in this matter. I think it will be more than evident that you are here to cause trouble and not engage in mature discussion. --vi5in^[talk] 19:50, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Your responses

I am pasting your response over here. You are free to add it to the talk page. Your "block" should be more than evident that your actions are of a disruptive nature. Finally, Wikipedia has a policy against "Original Research". So no matter what you claim, it is Wikipedia policy and it will not be tolerated. --vi5in^[talk] 20:02, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Incidentally, I was on my way to post my comments on another interesting edit, when I found I could not, on account of a "block" etc. I am reprodicing the purported entry below. I would like to see this in the discussion board, under my name, immediately below "Aca123 22:46, 28 February 2007 (UTC)" Palattu Koman 07:21, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

That was indeed commendable work.A contribution like this adds quality and imparts a professional touch to the discussions. I am puzzled, however, on this statement about Kiriyathu nairs. I have resided in Southern Travancore long enough to notice that "Kiriyathu" nairs are derisively referred to as "Karicha" ("Karichakal"),for whatever reason, and the aristocrats of these parts would n't give their daughter's hand in marriage to a "Karicha".

Also,the military traditions of South Travancore Nairs are too well known for further elaboration here, not to mention the formidable "Ettuveettil Pillamar" who strived to do away with the Travancore Royalty or valiant generals like Eravikutty Pillai Padathalavan and Veluthabi Dalwa.(The former won the first ever victory of a native State over a Colonial power, viz the victory of Travancore in the Battle of Kulachal(1670?)in which the Dutch army was trounced and their General De Lennoy was catured as prisoner; and the latter led one of the earliest known uprising against British hegemony.)

The Nair armies of Travancore had subjugated almost every other principality in Kerala, and, to quote a contributor to these pages, "extended suzerainty of the tiny Travancore state till North Parur, brought the Scions of Kochi Royal Family to their knees, and made the Zamorin of Kozhikode hasten to sign a truce". So? Who formed the Nair armies of Travancore, if Kiriyathu alone were the martial group?

As far as I have gathered, the soldiers were recruited from dedicated families known as "Padanair Veedu" spread out all over South Travancore(Interestingly, there are "Padanair Veedukal" in our extreme north too.For instance, the late poet P.Kunhiraman Nair belonged to one of these.Possibly, the borders -with Tamilnadu and Karnataka- had a a genuine need for martial tribes to repel cultural incursions!)

To return to the point, Nairs from the Padanair Veedu were not Kiriyathu.Therefore, I am not certain whether C J Fuller's classification encompasses truly the Nairs of the southern Travancore.

In either case, ."Nair" is much more than a mere caste or social group. An attempt to constrain the Nairs into the Rigid Varna System would be ludicrous.That , at least, has been my refrain throughout these discussions Palattu Koman 07:21, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Original research should augment rather than complement the reference material, since it's imporant that the basic processes of history are identified.No wonder one sets store by the studied observations on the "paranormal" from a scholar of immense erudition like Arnold Toynbee, for example, rather than the hasty conclusions of Velayudhan Panikkassery ( who argued that "Menons" originated from Ezhava/Thiyya) Palattu Koman 07:21, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Response

I have responded to you on my talk page. If you will seriously consider having a proper discussion with me, I would be much obliged. The talk page has some new cited information (not original research). We might try to include that into the article. --vi5in^[talk] 21:49, 2 March 2007 (UTC)