User talk:Paradise Chronicle/sandbox

Tell Abyad

That's good work PC, you've done your homework. I don't really have much to add to it. Here's my original summary of the problems with the current version:

"The quote doesn't make a lot of sense, especially given the content in the article's next section which describes the four years Tell Abyad was in the AANES. This part of this section only describes the period from June-October 2015. There was no formal renaming; there were no political structures in place to effect this until October. The Kurdish signs were a display of Kurdish identity, which had been illegal under the regime and an invitation to violence from the jihadists who succeeded them. There's no evidence that Arabic signs were removed, and road signs with both Arabic and Latin script are common throughout Syria. The only detachment of Tell Abyad from the province of Raqqa had been military; at this point Raqqa was still the caliphate's capital. They certainly made it a part of the AANES, but most Tell Abyad residents seem to have preferred this to being part of the Islamic State. Why do you believe this misreading of events in a four-month period in 2015 is more important for understanding recent events, than the four-year period that followed it?"

Amr and the crew are following their usual playbook here: cherrypicking from sources to give a slanted viewpoint, and refusing to engage in meaningful discussion that could lead to compromise. Other editors have also expressed frustration with them so things may be coming to a head. I'm probably not going to be too active over the next while so I wish you luck with this, but I still reckon trying to solve this problem article-by-article will consume a lot of time and energy that might be better used going in another direction. Konli17 (talk) 23:29, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

Ok, I'll include your diff then, and if you want to add anything after I brought in the arguments, you can of course join the discussion. And yes, Ibn Amr is following up on his edit war, as he knows it had success at Tell Abyad. That is the solution I have so far, If we find a better one, welcome it is.Paradise Chronicle (talk) 04:45, 19 August 2020 (UTC)