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Nossos almirantes

Paulista, how have you been? Haven't heard nothing from you for quite some time. Could you try to look in that library you told me about once if it has the 9-volume work "Nossos almirantes" by Henrique Boiteux? --Lecen (talk) 15:48, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

Hey Lecen, I am good and you? What are you working on now? I checked if I can access these books, unfortunately I can't find libraries around here with these volumes. I looked in the database of other libraries, they are very rare. I found only a few libraries in the US and some in Europe that holds it. In Brazil the USP Library has it. Sorry I can't help, it is very hard to find sources about the Imperial Navy. I have also looked for books in the past, only a few were published and they are hard to find, the archives of the Navy in Rio de Janeiro has an awesome collection but access is precarious and nothing is in digital format. Cheers, Paulista01 (talk) 16:23, 12 June 2012 (UTC)

It was worth the shot. Those books can be found in Australia, but not here in Fortaleza. Grat, huh? I wanted to improve the article about John Pascoe Grenfell but it will be impossible without a good biography of him. I'm right now working on Manuel Marques de Sousa, Count of Porto Alegre. Let's see if I an turn it into a FAC. --Lecen (talk) 19:09, 12 June 2012 (UTC)

Rodrigo Silva

Hey, Paulista. I don't know if you're itnerested, but I found this. It's another photo of Rodrigo Auguto Silva, labeled "unknown". --Lecen (talk) 13:58, 3 July 2012 (UTC)

Estou mantendo um olho no artigo. Cuidado para não se perder em trivialidades e acabar colocando qualquer ifnromação apenas para fazer volume. Este artigo é o tipo que não é possível ficar grande ou detalhado. Acho melhor você unificar "birth" e "education" em "early life" apenas, inclusive informando qualquer casamento e descendência que ele tenha tido. --Lecen (talk) 15:03, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

Thanks Lecen, I appreciate the assistance. I agree, smaller and simpler articles are also easier to read. Paulista01 (talk) 18:50, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

Pedro I's child

I'm going to work on Pedro I's legitimate and illegitimate children when I finish the article and move to the family box. I'll add only the children which are generally agreed to have been his, or else, I'd have to add around 20 people. That means that I'll add the four children he had with Domitila (two female who survived to adulthood), the boy he had with her sister and another boy he had in 1830 with a Frenchwoman.

The best book regarding Iguaçu is Alberto Rangel's "Pedro Primeiro and Domitila", almost unreadable because there is a lot of French quotations and because it's in old Portuguese. Try reading "Nichteroy" instead of "Niterói". It's mostly a biography of Domitila. It has some nice photos of Iguaçu there. And you'll be surprised: I just found out that there is actually a biography of Iguaçu: see here in this virtual bookstore. This is the kind of thing I can't understand. Someone actually bothered writing a biography about this obscure character, but none one has ever written a book about Pedro II's sisters, which are far more important. --Lecen (talk) 22:13, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

I believe it wouldn't be hard to find sources to write a good biography of Francisca, Princess of Joinville, for example. Since she is the ancestor of the present claimant to the French throne, he must be keeping all her personal letters, as well as photographs. The problem is that we don't have as many good historians as before. There are fewer and fewer in Brazil each year that passes.

I don't like Amelie. I really don't like her. She never cared about Brazil. Pedro I's children became orphans of father in 1834, why didn't she bother to travel to Brazil to see them? They were only children! It was no tlike before, when it took 2 months on a sailing ship. By then, it took a month or so, and even less as the ships became faster. None of this prevented her from asking Pedro II to recognize her and her daughter as part of the imperial family, and thus, entitled to money and her owh private household, all paid by Brazil. If she cared just a little for those children, she would have visited Pedro II, who was only 8 years old when his father died. The same for Pedro II's sisters, who never trvelled to Brazil after their marriage but were paid montly pensions by the Brazilian government. No wonder Pedro II never truly liked any of them. In fact, he didn't like anyone: he knew how people were only interested on grabing favors, never on doing somethign useful for the country. --Lecen (talk) 15:16, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

Imperial orders

See this. Cheers, --Lecen (talk) 01:47, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

Also a description of Rodrigo Silva: "Gemenhamente trajado, guapo e esbelto, portando-se na Câmara como um elegante salão, as suíças e o cabelo de um negro luzidio que, atenta a idade do ministro, autorizava suspeitas, afável para com todos, o referendário da lei de 13 de maio possuia o charme a que nada resiste. Conversador delicioso, com reputação de aventuras galantes, acudindo fagueiro ao menor apelo, Rodrigo Silva, calmo e cortês, falava habilidosamente, suscitando universal simpatia, deixando o adversário a sorrir e a murmurar: 'que maganão!' " [p.74] "Aludia-as ao seu maquiavelismo e cinismo elegantes. Percebia-se que apreciava o governo com a sensibilidade de um gourmet, tirando dele acendrados gozos. desconhecidos dos mais. Insuscetíveis de despertarem paixões, ou de imprimirem fortes ondulações ao pensamento, superficiais e aprazíveis, deslizando pelos assuntos com leveza e donaire, seus discursos eram antes delicadas causeries. Digno ministro de uma senhora (Rodrigo serviu a maior parte do tempo com a Princesa Imperial Regente), lembrava um pajem medieval, vestido de seda, gonfaloneiro de gentil pendão, capaz, entretanto, de galhardias, de morrer mesmo pela sua dama --um tanto corrompido e corruptor." [p.75] Source: Celso, Afonso. Oito anos de parlamento. Brasília: Senado Federal, 1998. --Lecen (talk) 12:01, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks Lecen, I have never seen the book about the orders of the empire. I do have the book by Afonso Celso. It is a very interesting view of Rodrigo Silva. Although not from the same party Afonso Celso and Rodrigo were personal friends according to one edition of the IHGB magazine. Another very interesting take on Rodrigo was written by Taunay, another friend. I am not sure if I should add these views to the article, what do you think? I am on the road again and did not have full access to the internet in the past week; I will try to look into this stuff this coming weekend. Cheers, Paulista01 (talk) 16:12, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

Pedro I of Brazil

Paulista, the article about Pedro I of Brazil is now among the best on Wikipedia. It's sad to see that so few were interested on reviewing the article. But perhaps fewer is better. I'd like to tell you that I'm glad you found time to review the article and give your support. Thank you very much, --Lecen (talk) 17:20, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

I'm glad I could help, I wish I had the time to collaborate more in the Empire of Brazil task-force. I would also like to work on Portuguese history articles, they are both areas that have very few editors. In time we will get there, I hope. Cheers, Paulista01 (talk) 13:42, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

Pedro III of Portugal

I was amazed and outraged once I learned that Qwyrxian closed the move request for Pedro III of Portugal claiming lack of consensus.[1] Twelve editors supported the move and only four opposed. I complained to him about how unfair and absurd was his action and that he should accept the will of the vast majority or at least reopen the move request. I'd like to ask you to share your thoughts about it on his talk page. Thank you, --Lecen (talk) 16:50, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

• Hi, this is a mass-produced message which means it may duplicate a message already on your Talk:page. As a result of the lack of reference to specific sources or guidelines such as WP:SOVEREIGN, User:Qwyrxian closed the RM at Talk:Peter III of Portugal but said a new RM could be started if new evidence was presented. This I have done after discussion with Qwyrxian and User:Lecen. This means that your previous support or oppose will not be counted, and must be resubmitted. However please note Qwyrxian's request that support/oppose be made with reference to specific arguments guidelines or sources, and (quote) especially recommend that people don't do the "Support per person X and Y", as such comments are close to useless, (unquote). Thanks for your time. Best regards. In ictu oculi (talk) 01:32, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

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