Penti

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November 2008

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Fiddler

Please see WP:PEACOCK. Wikipedia must be written in an encyclopedic tone. Please add a citation, including page number, so that the reader can tell where you got the information that the sets were in a Chagall-like style. Thanks! Best regards, -- Ssilvers (talk) 01:03, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

In-line references

Hi. It's great that you want to add information to musicals, but Wikipedia requires that information be referenced. See WP:V. The way to add references to Wikipedia articles is explained at WP:CITE. Let me know if you need help. Best regards, -- Ssilvers (talk) 15:20, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

Good, you're getting the hang of it. I fixed the formatting for you. A couple of hints: You don't need to sign your name after adding the ref. Also, you don't need the Book reference twice, just once in the refs section. The page number only goes in the footnote, not in the full bibliographic reference at the bottom. Best regards, -- Ssilvers (talk) 20:45, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

I only got a computer last week-so my apologies for all the errors. I will try to get it right from now on. Damien.

Your note to me

Hi, Penti--as far as general help goes, I suggest that you read the general guidelines in the first box on this page (getting started, etc.) After that, take a look at some articles, not to edit, but just to see how they read and are referenced. Then, read (and memorize --joke, joke) the material at WP:WPMT-those are the guidelines and suggestions for musical theatre articles, but they are good for some general tips. I think the material at WP:MOS --the Manuel of Style is critical, no matter what articles you edit. Finally, what is a peacock? Here:WP:PEACOCK.

Anyone with some time and interest will, I'm sure, be glad to help on specific questions. You might also consider asking to be adopted, at least for a short time, at WP:ADOPT. (By the way, your city and country are high on my list of places to visit!). Jean JeanColumbia (talk) 23:03, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Thank You! I went back and reviewed the edit info and now get the peacocks. Bloomin useless birds anyway! This is my first week ever on a computer, so i am the slowest Irish guy in the world. At least the weather is mild in Dublin tonite. I hope you do visit my city sometime. And please do inform me if i make any more bo-bos. I'm a computer virgin. d.

I hope the submitted paragraph in Michael Bennett's 'analysis' is fitting and does not cause headaches for anyone.--Damien 23:23, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

The first half of the paragraph is OK, because it is referenced. But the second half has no reference and will have to be removed if it is WP:OR. Where did you get the information for the second half of the paragraph? Best regards, -- Ssilvers (talk) 00:25, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Sorry i have not got the hang of this quite yet. The second part is in my own words, as i have a pirate copy (horror??!) of the show.. so cannot reference it. But i could dig out the Frank Rich-Times review of the musical, as it is very specific about the light towers and constant motion. --Damien 00:32, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Yes, please do add a reference to the Frank Rich review. But the assertion that will cause the problem is this: "This influence is most apparent in Dreamgirls..." How can you prove that Robbins' influence is more apparent in Dreamgirls than in all the other shows? Indeed, does the Frank Rich review mention that Bennett's choreography for the show is influenced by Robbins? If not, then you could say something like, "This constant movement is apparent in Dreamgirls...." Best regards. -- Ssilvers (talk) 00:48, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

You are very perceptive, i had not thought of that. I hope i am not being a burden to you. This is what i just found on the web..

"Yet, for all those peaks, when I wrote about the premiere for the London Times all those years ago, this is what I concluded: “The most thrilling breakthrough of the extraordinary show is that whereas in A Chorus Line Michael Bennett choreographed the cast, in Dreamgirls he has choreographed the set.”

Four towers with Plexiglas veils and kliegs, enhanced by bridges that descended on the action, amounted to an apparently simple architectural set by its brilliant designer, Robin Wagner. The towers could turn 360 degrees with ease. But it was Bennett’s use of them that was revolutionary. The towers moved to create constantly changing perspectives and space, like an automated ballet. They created stages within stages. They energized the action, driving it forcefully along. It’s why there were no set-piece dance routines in the show: Dance and movement were organic to the entire action. But Bennett had made the mechanical set his dancers".

http://www.observer.com/node/36503?observer_most_read_tabs_tab=2

I am a bit baffled how to incorporate that into brevity. And your point has me thinking about the Jerome Robbins influence idea, which i cannot recall where i read, but i will do the research over the next few days..("back into me books", as we say in Ireland. You are very kind and helpful. Thanks!--Damien 01:02, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks! I added the citation and massaged the quote into the article. See if you agree with how I did it. I kept what I thought was the most important parts of the quote as they related to Bennett's work on the show. If you get more information about Robbins' influence on him, you can add something then. That's really the best way to write Wikipedia: Research first, writing second, making sure that all assertions are supported by WP:Reliable sources. You have done a good job with Bennett's article, and I think you are learning the ropes pretty fast. As you have time, please click on the links in the welcome message at the top of this page. They will lead you to excellent advice about how to help build a high-quality encyclopedia. Also read some of Wikipedia's WP:Featured articles. They are our best articles and will show you what can be done and how it has been done. Best regards, -- Ssilvers (talk) 04:36, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

To Ssilvers, You did a great job integrating the Michael Bennett piece. Thank you for your help, time and patience. D.

I hope you're enjoying editing Wikipedia. Sign your name at the end of every post by typing four tildes: ~ ~ ~ ~ (without the spaces). Then the software will put in your username and the date/time of your message. As you learn more about it, it gets easier to collaborate with people. It seems like you have access to a lot of reference materials. It's more important to reference the actual statements made in the article than just to add a long list of references at the bottom. In several articles, you have added a list of reference materials, but it would be better to only add the ones that you use in adding material to the articles themselves. Let me know if you have more questions, and please do read the links at the top of this page. They are really helpful in learning your way around Wikipedia. Best regards! -- Ssilvers (talk) 16:09, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

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