Pentiles

Emperor of Japan info boxes

I have some questions about the metastasis of info boxes you're creating.

• 1. A curious concern: I'm assuming you're satisfied with your work as-is; but I wonder if you know how to make these info-boxes a little smaller, a little less wide? For example, consider the History of Indonesia info-box on the page for the Dutch East India Company (also known as the VOC)? In my view, the ideal size for that info-box would be about 1/2-inch narrower. I notice that the info-boxes for William IV of the United Kingdom, Robert Gordon Menzies, and Wilhelmina of the Netherlands are similar to what you've posted; ergo, your plan seems reasonable a priori. And yet, I'm just wondering if that template is really best? What about Monarchy of the Netherlands -- each of the right-column info-boxes are less wide than the ones you've created. What do you think?

• 2. A minor matter: The Template: History of Indonesia incorporates a template-specific edit link:

• Template: History of Indonesia [... edit this template] .... Would something like this be be a helpful addition to the what you're proposing for Emperor of Japan info-boxes?

• 3. A possible conflict: Are you 71.126.53.191? If not, I'm guessing you'd want to avoid working at cross purposes. As it happens, I think these anonymously added info-boxes are exactly like yours:

• (diff) (hist) . . Emperor Kōmei‎; 21:10 . . (-3) . . 71.126.53.191 (Talk)
• (diff) (hist) . . Emperor Meiji‎; 21:07 . . (-1) . . 71.126.53.191 (Talk)

The history for this anonymous editor shows further investment in improving Wikipedia by creating info-boxes. Do you have any thoughts abou₯t any one or more of the following "improved" pages?

• 20:58, 8 October 2007 ... Emperor Taishō
• 20:50, 8 October 2007 ... Hirohito
• 20:36, 8 October 2007 ... Akihito
• 20:30, 8 October 2007 ... Tsangyang Gyatso, 6th Dalai Lama
• 20:28, 8 October 2007 ... Kelzang Gyatso, 7th Dalai Lama‎
• 20:26, 8 October 2007 ... Jamphel Gyatso, 8th Dalai Lama‎
• 20:24, 8 October 2007 ... Lungtok Gyatso, 9th Dalai Lama‎
• 20:22, 8 October 2007 ... Tsultrim Gyatso, 10th Dalai Lama‎
• 20:20, 8 October 2007 ... Khedrup Gyatso, 11th Dalai Lama‎
• 20:17, 8 October 2007 ... Trinley Gyatso, 12th Dalai Lama‎
• 20:14, 8 October 2007 ... Thubten Gyatso, 13th Dalai Lama

• 4. A placement issue: I'm trending towards a preference for info boxes in the middle rather than at the top. For example, I continue to prefer that the "History of Indonesia" info box should remain positioned the midst of the VOC text. However, the top-right-corner info-box for all the British monarchy does set a precedent of sorts, I guess. What do you think?

The ambitious handiwork of this unidentified editor does cause me to wonder about any evolution in your appreciation of the value and utility of varying sizes of illustrative material -- images, charts, etc.?

As you can see, my thinking is still a work in progress. --Ooperhoofd 17:16, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

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Thank you for your advices. I'm Japanese, so, my English may be a bit strange... Now I'm thinking of new templete for Japanese Emperors, while using the same templete with the other monarchs may help people understand easily. For the size, I agree with you, I'll improve. For your talk 3, I'm not 71.126.53.191. I knew them by your talk, thank you. We need to discuss. I hope someome who wants to know more about Japanese emperors will show more appropriate info-box style. --Pentiles 13:29, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Your investment of time is appreciated. The info-boxes are very helpful -- excellent. I only want to encourage you to continue creating these info-boxes. --Ooperhoofd 20:26, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Thank you. I considered about the info-box, and, for some reasons(ex. The spelllings of Japanese words is so long, and more infomation is not so important, etc.), I've decided to use at the same style.

Hōki era

Pentiles -- Your handsome info boxes are an important step forward. The more I think about it, the more valuable I think your contribution will turn out to be. I have noticed that similar info boxes are increasing in the German Wikipedia (de:Liste der Tennō). Don't give any further thought to the size if these info boxes. They are just fine the way they are. Keep up the good work!

I have a question about Empress Kōken/Shōtoku's date of death? It seems that my English-language version of Gukanshō records her death as occurring in 769:

• Jingo-keiun 3, on the 4th day of the 8th month (769): Empress Shōtoku died at age 57.

This translation of Gukanshō may have a mis-print, but the printed text suggests that the succession remained unresolved until a year later -- on the 4th day of the 8th month of 770 -- when Prince Shirakabe was selected by the chief ministers of the Daijō-kan; and this heir was formally enthroned on the 1st day of the 10th month of 770, at which time the era name was changed to mark the beginning of Emperor Kōnin's reign.

• Hōki gannen (宝亀元年; 770): The previous era ended and the new one commenced in Jingo-keiun 4, on the 1st day of the 10th month of 770.

I wonder if it is possible that the date of death in the info box could be wrong? Or maybe I'm wrong?

In any case, this question demonstrates that your work is being read and considered carefully. --Ooperhoofd 07:16, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

Your suggestion is right! Many(Most) Japanese references show the year of Empress Kōken/Shōtoku's death is Hōki 1(!), but, as you write, Hōki 1 started on the 1st day of the 10th month, and so the date of her death is included in Jingo-keiun 4.

By Shoku-nihongi (続日本紀), on the 4th day of the 8th month of 770(the date of Empress Shōtoku's death), Prince Shirakabe became the Crown Prince (皇太子), and the coronation was held on the 1st day of 10th month of the year. Until the beginning of Heian Period, there were interregna between the former emperor's death and the succession(coronation) of the next emperor, and, the next era started on the coronation day. From the beginning of Heian Period, the successon date, the coronation date, and the start of new era(Nengo) ware different, because the styles of succession/coronation changed, and because the new emperors respect the former emperors.

I have to be careful on these points, and we must not trust fully even Japanese references!--Pentiles 08:46, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

Kōkyū

Thank you for creating Kōkyū. What you've done has helped clarify some things for me; and your work inspired me to invest the additional effort in finishing up the work I'd begun months ago to improve Daijō-kan, Kugyō, Daijō-daijin, Sadaijin, Udaijin, Naidaijin, Dainagon, and Chūnagon. Why not take a look at these new pages? Maybe you will see a few easy and obvious ways to improve the modest text which you'll find there.

Your work on the English Wikipedia is very much appreciated; and I'm sure that I'm probably joined by many more in feeling this way.--Ooperhoofd (talk) 22:36, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Thank you very much for your great effort in Japanese history pages! Although I have several references and will for creating new pages relating to Japanese history, I don't have enough English skills and time. I've got much information on foreign history from English Wikipedia, so I'm happy to help even a little to improve English Wikipedia.--Pentiles 03:07, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Learning from Nobel laureates

In reponse to your recently-created User page, I invite you to give some thought to a trivial edit I made some time ago to Metathesis:

In this context, the otherwise abstract concepts of metathesis are especially well-visualized in the unique diplomas which were crafted for King Carl XIV Gustaf to present to the three chemists who shared the Nobel Prize in 2005.

• Metathesis as "dance" -- illustrated in Chauvin diploma, 2005 Nobel Prize in Chemistry
• Metathesis as "dance" -- illustrated in Grubbs diploma, 2005 Nobel Prize in Chemistry
• Metathesis as "dance" -- illustrated in Schrock diploma, 2005 Nobel Prize in Chemistry

Please accept this unanticipated token of thanks as a plausible description of what I like about the Wikipedia project -- and what I like about your modest contributions thus far. I also wonder if these Nobel prize diploma illustrations might provoke an unanticipated useful response from your young chemistry students? --Ooperhoofd (talk) 19:57, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Kōkyū --->> Heian Palace

You may not have noticed that Heian Palace was a Featured Article on December 18, 2007. In my view, a modest edit was needed in order to improve the exposition. You may be interested in the minor modifications in one terse sentence in that text:

"The Dairi encompassed the emperor's quarters and the pavilions of the imperial consorts and ladies-in-waiting (collectively, the Kōkyū)."

This otherwise excellent article was unquestionably enhanced by an internal link to your good work. --Ooperhoofd (talk) 15:09, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for information, and, congratulatons on the award for your great work!

I hope more people including Japanese join improving articles related to Japanese history.

For chemistry, well, I may need far more time but make less contribution. For specialized field, the foreigner hesitate to modify English articles, though I use these pages frequently...

I look forward to continuing progress on English Wikipedia and your articles in the New Year! --Pentiles (talk) 07:01, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

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