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Public art on Wikidata

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Hi Andy – I hope you're keeping well. I learned this week (via the Wikidata newsletter) that a public art WikiProject has been created on Wikidata. This is brilliant news as far as I'm concerned, as I've been converting the subpages of List of public art in London to {{Public art row}} and its sister templates, with the ultimate aim getting all their contents onto Wikidata. The end is almost in sight for that particular project – I've finished converting 50 pages and there are only two left to be done, for the boroughs of Camden and Richmond. When I've finished those two, how would I go about converting the instances of {{Public art row}} into Wikidata items? I also created lists showing the existing Wikidata coverage for each borough here: WP:PALon/WD. Cheers, Ham II (talk) 09:33, 7 June 2020 (UTC)

@Ham II: Good work. I don't know of any tool that will convert the templated lists to Wikidata items, but the templates should make it much easier to scrape or parse the list pages. Of course, what should eventually happen is that the templates are populated from Wikidata; or better that the lists are generated by Listeria. The en.Wikipedia community is not mature enough for that, yet, but other Wikipedias can do it. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:27, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
Thanks, Andy. I'll ask later at the project, which I see you've joined. Ham II (talk) 15:24, 7 June 2020 (UTC)

"Karl Hagedorn ( German American painter)" listed at Redirects for discussion

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  A discussion is taking place to address the redirect Karl Hagedorn ( German American painter). The discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 June 7#Karl Hagedorn ( German American painter) until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 21:10, 7 June 2020 (UTC)

Wikidata weekly summary #419

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Here's your quick overview of what has been happening around Wikidata over the last week.
  • Tool of the week
    • QuickStatements lets you edit thousands of Wikidata items at a time. Add labels and descriptions, or statements with sources and qualifiers, add sitelinks, create or merge items, or remove statements that were created in error. Batches can be discussed and, if necessary, reverted in full through the EditGroups tool.
  • Development
    • Wikidata Bridge: Made a number of technical improvements to wrap up the work in the first version.
    • Reference Hunt: Making final technical improvements and are now running the process to find references on the whole of Wikidata (as opposed to the initial small subset for testing). Once that's done we'll release them as a dump.
    • Easier access to data for programmers: Researching and interviewing ways to improve the APIs in preparation for working on them.
    • Query builder: Working on defining the first version and creating mockups based on the feedback we received.
    • Use modern TypeScript syntax (3.2 -> 3.9) (phab:T253211)
    • More technical documentation for Federated Properties (phab:T252991) & preparing for the next steps
    • Convert some properties to external identifiers (phab:T253722)

You can see all open tickets related to Wikidata here. If you want to help, you can also have a look at the tasks needing a volunteer.

David Allen Green - blogger for FT, not a columnist

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This is re your undo of my edit:

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=David_Allen_Green&type=revision&diff=961331834&oldid=961321312

First off here's a reliable link:

https://archive.today/2020.06.08-090952/https://twitter.com/davidallengreen/status/1269680331667451911

(last tweet in that thread)

Archive.today is now an acceptable source:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Using_archive.today

Secondly if you read the existing link to the FT site,

https://www.ft.com/david-allen-green

it quite clearly states that he's a "commentator", not a "columnist" and that "[t]he blog is written from a liberal and critical perspective".

I'd be grateful if you could revert my edit.

2A01:4B00:8A10:7A00:3005:9A97:F137:CC5 (talk) 09:30, 8 June 2020 (UTC)

Your first claim is that Twitter is a reliable source; it is not, and accessing via an archive does not change that. Also, in my edit summary I referred you to Columnist; please see that page. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 09:58, 8 June 2020 (UTC)
Are you disputing authenticity, i.e. whether the statement was made by David Allen Green himself? He's a verified user. Agree that Twitter in general is not a reliable source, however it's acceptable as a source of information about themselves. Now this is an objective fact, so DAG denying that he's a columnist is to some extent irrelevant, however there is a page listing all FT columnists and DAG is not on it. The existing Wikipedia link clearly states that it's a blog. This seems to be an important distinction, important enough for DAG to repeatedly correct it in public, so probably akin to lecturer vs reader vs professor at a UK university (who would all be called professors in the US, but a major faux pas for a UK lecturer to claim they're a professor). 2A01:4B00:8A10:7A00:3005:9A97:F137:CC5 (talk) 16:24, 8 June 2020 (UTC)
"Are you disputing... whether the statement was made by David Allen Green himself?" No. But then, as the Wikipedia page you cite says, an individual is not a reliable source, in the context of exceptional claims they may make about themselves. The FT page you cite does not claim to list "all FT columnists"; indeed, it is sub-headed "A list of writers who contribute to the Opinion section of the Financial Times". And again, see Columnist. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:49, 8 June 2020 (UTC)
Saying that you're a blogger (a lower rank in the profession) rather than columnist does not seem to be an extraordinary claim, quite the contrary. Agree that the page does not say "all FT columnists", it is simply a page listing FT columnists, and DAG is not shown there. Having said that, I think we've reached an impasse, I propose requesting 3rd opinion. 2A01:4B00:8A10:7A00:3005:9A97:F137:CC5 (talk) 17:05, 8 June 2020 (UTC)
Fourth time: see Columnist. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 17:27, 8 June 2020 (UTC)

Tech News: 2020-24

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

  • Some articles have tables that can be sorted in different ways. For example a list of countries can be sorted alphabetically but you can click on the size column to sort them by size. If you clicked on the column a second time it would sort the countries from the bottom to the top instead. A third click will now take you back to the original sorting. [1]
  • Self-closed tags now work as in the HTML5 specifications. This means you should stop using some of them. <b/> is an example of a self-closed tag that won't work. area, base, br, col, embed, hr, img, input, keygen, link, meta, param, source, track, wbr can be self-closed. Pages with tags that should not be self-closed have been listed in a tracking category since 2016. They will be listed in Special:LintErrors/self-closed-tag. This doesn't affect <references /> or <ref />. [2]
  • There is a banner called WikidataPageBanner. It is for example used by the Wikivoyages, Wikimedia Russia and the Catalan, Basque, Galician and Turkish Wikipedias. It will now been seen by mobile visitors too. Before this it was only seen on desktop. The wikis should update instructions on MediaWiki:Sitenotice so that editors know to test and style for mobile too. [3][4]

Changes later this week

  •   You can now edit MassMessage descriptions through the API. This is useful for tools and gadgets. [5]
  •   The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 9 June. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 10 June. It will be on all wikis from 11 June (calendar).

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21:12, 8 June 2020 (UTC)

Hello Andy

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Having a fabulous lesson and learning lots of skills today.--Cjwtaboo (talk) 14:14, 9 June 2020 (UTC)

Hello

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Hi Andy. --IshakuME (talk) 14:17, 9 June 2020 (UTC)

Thank you Andy

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Thanks for the training session today Andy, addition complete at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Behavior_change_method#More_holistic_approaches. speak soon --Cjwtaboo (talk) 19:02, 9 June 2020 (UTC)

This Month in Education: May 2020

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This Month in Education

Volume 9 • Issue 5 • May 2020

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This Month in GLAM: May 2020

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Headlines
  • Armenia report: Edit-a-thon dedicated to International Museum Day
  • Colombia report: A #1Lib1Ref to close the gender gap
  • Côte d'Ivoire report: #1Lib1Ref 2020 from 26 to 28 May in Côte d'Ivoire
  • France report: WikiArchives; IMD 2020: Cross-Chapter Collaboration
  • Indonesia report: Wikisource Competition 2020 recap; International Museum Day 2020
  • Italy report: New collaborations and contents!
  • Netherlands report: Analysis of Dutch GLAM-Wiki projects in relation to the Dutch Digital Heritage Reference Architecture, Content donation from Utrecht Archives, Detecting Wikipedia articles strongly based on single library collections and Collection highlights of the KB
  • Sweden report: Free music on Wikipedia; NHB webinars; Wikipedia in libraries – Projekt HBTQI
  • Switzerland report: International Museum Day 2020
  • UK report: Japanese art
  • USA report: Workshops & COVID-19 Symposium
  • Special story: Content partnership category - your help is needed
  • WMF GLAM report: GLAM metadata standards and Wikimedia projects
  • Calendar: June's GLAM events
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Books & Bytes – Issue 39, May – June 2020

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  The Wikipedia Library

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Issue 39, May – June 2020

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hello

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Hi Andy, thanks for showing how to edit wikipedia, this is great!--Splcam (talk) 10:37, 11 June 2020 (UTC)

Hello

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Hi Andy it's a rainy day but some good wiki sunshine --CheekyChappie66 (talk) 10:37, 11 June 2020 (UTC)

B-P

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Hi Andy, we meet when you came to Melbourne. Rosenthal's book on B-P is the only biography of B-P, as far as I can see, that is independent of Scouting. I found it a much more satisfactory biography than all the others. He has written at least one other biography. It should, in my opinion, be used as a source in the article on B-P. --Bduke (talk) 23:11, 11 June 2020 (UTC)

I have no obejection to it being used as a source; however in the material I removed it was not. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 23:19, 11 June 2020 (UTC)
OK. Maybe I'm getting confused in my old age. There are too many Scouting supporters (as I was long ago for many years) trying to stop his article being neutral.--Bduke (talk) 00:05, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue CLXX, June 2020

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Wikidata weekly summary #420

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Here's your quick overview of what has been happening around Wikidata over the last week.
  • Tool of the week
    • Mix'n'match lets you match lists of external identifiers to Wikidata items, or create new items if necessary. Thousands of catalogs already exist, in dozens of different topic areas, and it's easy to import new ones.
  • Development
    • Collecting a lot of feedback and doing research around how to improve our APIs to start making it easier to access Wikidata's data for programmers
    • Finalized the initial feature list for the query builder and working on designs and prototypes for testing
    • Doing user research on the Merge gadget to prepare for making it part of the proper code-base so that other Wikibase instances also benefit from easier merging
    • Federated Properties: continued working on the first version of Federation that will make it possible to use Wikidata's Properties in another Wikibase installation
    • Start of a new project (Wikibase Decoupling & Extension Registration) in order to clean up our codebase a bit and make it easier to extend with new features in the future
    • More work on the design system to have a set of unified components for Wikidata that will make it easier to develop new features in the future because we don't have to rewrite components that are used in a lot of places
    • Some MediaWiki skin changes meant broken edit links on Wikipedia and co. Fixed now. (phabricator:T252800)

You can see all open tickets related to Wikidata here. If you want to help, you can also have a look at the tasks needing a volunteer.

Tech News: 2020-25

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

  •   Toolforge hosts several tools created by the Wikimedia community like edit counters or enhanced editors. It is changing the domain from tools.wmflabs.org to toolforge.org. The routing scheme is moving from tools.wmflabs.org/toolname to toolname.toolforge.org. You can read the details. Tools that use OAuth will have to be updated to keep working. You can ask for help.

Problems

  • There is a Wikidata item link in the sidebar on many pages. This disappeared for a couple of days for users who have the Monobook skin. This was because of a bug. It has now been fixed. [7]
  • Editing, logging in and logging out didn't work properly for a short period of time last week. It was soon fixed. [8]

Changes later this week

  •   The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 16 June. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 17 June. It will be on all wikis from 18 June (calendar).

Future changes

  •   Pywikibot is a Python library to automate work on wikis. It will not support Python 2 after the new version in July. Support for Python 3.4 and MediaWiki below 1.19 will also be dropped. You should migrate to Python 3. You can ask for help. [9]
  • The selectors .menu and .vectorMenu will no longer work in the Vector skin. This can affect gadgets and user scripts. .menu should be replaced by ul. .vectorMenu should be replaced by .vector-menu. [10]

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21:38, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

New Page Reviewer newsletter June 2020

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Hello Pigsonthewing,

Your help can make a difference

NPP Sorting can be a great way to find pages needing new page patrolling that match your strengths and interests. Using ORES, it divides articles into topics such as Literature or Chemistry and on Geography. Take a look and see if you can find time to patrol a couple pages a day. With over 10,000 pages in the queue, the highest it's been since ACPERM, your help could really make a difference.

Google Adds New Languages to Google Translate

In late February, Google added 5 new languages to Google Translate: Kinyarwanda, Odia (Oriya), Tatar, Turkmen and Uyghur. This expands our ability to find and evaluate sources in those languages.

Discussions and Resources
  • A discussion on handling new article creation by paid editors is ongoing at the Village Pump.
  • Also at the Village Pump is a discussion about limiting participation at Articles for Deletion discussion.
  • A proposed new speedy deletion criteria for certain kinds of redirects ended with no consensus.
  • Also ending with no change was a proposal to change how we handle certain kinds of vector images.

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Warrenpoint Ambush. Use of Irish Tricolour.

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Hi Andy. Before putting this to an RfC, I thought I'd pester another contributor for an opinion. The Irish national flag ought surely not be placed as a symbol under the 'Belligerent' section (IRA). This is the flag of a sovereign nation, and whilst the Provisional IRA use it as a symbol, it seems highly inappropriate. It also seems to imply sponsorship by The Republic of Ireland which could hardly be further from reality. I'm not sure what the precedent is here, or even if there is one. Thanks. Hanoi Road (talk) 19:40, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

@Hanoi Road: I suggest looking at other articles on similar topics; and at relevant WikiProject guidelines. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:56, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

Superspreaders

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Hey there, I think the redirect you suggested is a pretty reasonable request, but I'd like to bring it to a broader audience, so I made a thread about it here at the WP:COVID talk page. Just wanted to get some discussion about it, since COVID has some higher standards to abide by. bibliomaniac15 04:53, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

June

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June
 
Vespro della Beata Vergine 

Thank you for improving articles in June. I can proudly present a FA, quite a gift after a year without, and a FL is in the making, comments welcome. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:44, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

Wikidata weekly summary #421

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Here's your quick overview of what has been happening around Wikidata over the last week.
  • Tool of the week
    • The currentDate gadget automatically adds the current date when using retrieved in a reference.
  • Development
    • Continue working on the infrastructure review, in order to address the most pressing infrastructure issues
    • Make the Wikibase.git code base PSR-4 compatible (phab:T172368)
    • Work on an overview of existing types of coupling in Wikibase between Repo and Client (phab:T254902)
    • More work on consistency of UX components
    • Handle failed requests to the federation source wiki when saving statements (phab:T254889)
    • Catch federated properties exceptions in getParserOutput and display error page (phab:T255010)
    • Improve the permissions for Blazegraph in wdqs docker image (phab:T237248)
    • Create entitySources config for WMF production wikis (phab:T254315)
    • Participate in fixing several incidents (phab:T255855, phab:T255410)

You can see all open tickets related to Wikidata here. If you want to help, you can also have a look at the tasks needing a volunteer.

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