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September 2023

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CS1 error on List of Air Serbia destinations

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November 2023

Please stop. If you continue to add unsourced or poorly sourced content, as you did at Air Serbia, you may be blocked from editing. Jetstreamer ^Talk 14:20, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

Calm down, every info I put here is correct. Sometimes I put information before the reliable source becomes available, but then I add source later. You should first check if the information is correct, not just delete it just because there is no source available yet. PikiLuka (talk) 17:51, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

Hey,

a reliable reference must be stated per WP:V independently if you have pieces of information before a source becomes available. WikiPate (talk) 15:25, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

Air Serbia

Hey,

I did not remove any data in the business trends table. What I did is removing the digits behind the dot of 3-digit numbers to improve readability and to make it easier and faster to compare the figures. When the turnover is €444 million, the digits behind the dot are actually not that important.

The history of the article shows that my edit "removed" 2,492 characters. But that was because of improving the code of the table.

Is there a reason why the header is black and white? I cannot recognize any relation to Air Serbia in these colors. WikiPate (talk) 15:34, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

Hi,

Standard is to represent numbers with one or two digits after decimal point. Data is more precise, while readability is not worsen. Especially when data is written in EUR million.

I have no idea about header color, that was made years ago. PikiLuka (talk) 15:51, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

Is this standard defined on WP?

Let's take these figures:

Readers want to recognize the development by reading quickly from left to right and compare the figures with each other.

Turnover (€m)

262

305

320

288

288

357

271

247

444

Turnover (€m)

352.62

412.74

472.61

362.86

436.37

372.98

461.93

428.96

395.45

The first one makes it way easier. WikiPate (talk) 16:11, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

I let the green and red color for the profit, the bold writing for the highest figures, the black and white header, the left-aligned and one decimal point.

Still you can have a look into the Lufthansa article. Thanks to just having one decimal point for one and two digit numbers, it's easy to compare the figures and to recognize patterns and coherences between the figure types.

For example before C19 the airline Lufthansa was about have the size of the Lufthansa group regarding all three: revenue, fleet size and number of passengers. WikiPate (talk) 21:03, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

Airport destinations

When you add a route to an airport, can you also add an independent source to that route? That makes it better verifiable. Thanks in advance. The Banner talk 05:32, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

Of course. Where did I not put independent source? I don’t remember. PikiLuka (talk) 07:55, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

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Belgrade Nikola Tesla Airport

Please stop edit warring on Belgrade Nikola Tesla Airport. A year-round connection is active year round. As in 12 months of a year, not 9. The Banner talk 13:42, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

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January 2024

Hello, I'm The Banner. I noticed that you added or changed content in an article, List of Air Serbia destinations, but you didn't provide a reliable source. It's been removed and archived in the page history for now, but if you'd like to include a citation and re-add it, please do so. You can have a look at referencing for beginners. If you think I made a mistake, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you. The Banner talk 16:20, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

Hi, the List of Air Serbia destinations now lists Naples, Gothenburg and Izmir (ends 30 March) which is not correct, as you can see on Air Serbia website - tickets are bookable. PikiLuka (talk) 10:04, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

Then source it with independent sources! The Banner talk 10:20, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

And what kind of source do you expect? Those flights are available on airserbia.com for purchase, as anyone can see. I cannot source booking page from airserbia.com! PikiLuka (talk) 11:50, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

Independent sources, not websites of the airline or airport. It should be announced somewhere. In newspapers? www.exyuaviation.com? www.aeroroutes.com? Good luck. The Banner talk 12:29, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

Why would such thing be announced in any independent source? That an airline is selling tickets for existing flights with same frequencies as last summer? Nobody announces that!

exyuaviation.com or aeroroutes.com announce when there is a change, however nothing is changed here so they have nothing to announce.

Feel free to check on airserbia.com and see that flights are bookable. PikiLuka (talk) 13:37, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

Try to find the original start date. Or newspaper archives. The Banner talk 16:40, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

There is already such link next to the destination. It's from exyuaviation from the last year, when flights commenced and it has start date. Although source exists, you have reverted my edit. Congratulations. PikiLuka (talk) 16:57, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

You better check who removed the sources: one PikiLuka The Banner talk 19:29, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

No, I did not remove a single source! I just removed label 'ends' which you later reverted and I got a editing ban because of it. PikiLuka (talk) 23:00, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

I count six sources removed. The Banner talk 23:21, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

Not a single one is removed by me. Only sources I removed was from aeroroutes.com which clearly said that routes are coming back from March 31st, however it was interpreted here as routes are being terminated. So routes are being RESUMED with summer season. PikiLuka (talk) 00:06, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

You clearly removed sic sources with this edit! The Banner talk 19:59, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

You can clearly see that that edit removed sources unintentionally, rather focusing on removing 'ends' labels from places where they do not belong. PikiLuka (talk) 20:03, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for admitting your mistakes. The Banner talk 20:19, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

I have just fixed the article and there is a source from aeroroutes.com next to each field clearly saying the date when routes are being resumed. Please do not revert the change, since it is sourced now from an independent website. Thanks in advance. PikiLuka (talk) 00:12, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

Those sources are there due to my revert. The Banner talk 19:59, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

Quick update, routes to NAP, HAM, HAJ, GOT, ADB, ESB and SZG are bookable both for summer 2024 and winter 2024/25, meaning that they are year-round. I am writing to you because I do not want to edit the article and then get ban again because of this discussion, but these routes could not be counted into seasonal routes anymore. PikiLuka (talk) 18:56, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

Belgrade Nikola Tesla Airport - Heraklion

I can imagine the unease of the IP about the Heraklion connection. The source is rather vague. Are there any better sources available, like ones that tell you when the sale is opening? The Banner talk 19:21, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

There is no better source currently, however flights are in the GDS with scheduled times, aircraft type and beginning date. ExYuAviation says that sales will begin soon. PikiLuka (talk) 20:32, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

Sorry, what is GDS? The Banner talk 22:50, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

GDS is Global distribution system. It is used by all airlines and travel agencies, however it is not available to the public. When an airline schedules a new route, they schedule it in the GDS, but they do not necessarily put them at the same moment on sale on their website.

Since you do know what AeroRoutes is, they follow changes in the GDS only. PikiLuka (talk) 23:26, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

Aha, now I understand why another editor seems to know things without having a source for it. Can I call it internal information? Using GDS-info directly before it is published? The Banner talk 00:00, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

Well, it is internal but many websites have access to it and publish changes in the GDS. ExYuAviation is one of them, and source for BEG-HER flights came from them. PikiLuka (talk) 00:11, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

As long as it is published, there is no problem. But I have the idea that some people use it on Wikipedia before the info is made public. The Banner talk 01:04, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

Well, some people may have access to the GDS, especially if they work with airlines or tourist agencies, but here is the case where ExYuAviation, as a reliable source, has published the information. Therefore, the edit is well sourced. PikiLuka (talk) 10:49, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

Please try Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard to discuss the sources instead of edit warring. The Banner talk 19:52, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

FYI

Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard#zamaaero.com. The Banner talk 21:17, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

And can you stop removing the sources as long as it is still under discussion? There is no community decision yet, so your objection is - at this moment - your private opinion. The Banner talk 12:33, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

April 2024

Your recent editing history at Air Serbia shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war; that means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be, when you have seen that other editors disagree. To resolve the content dispute, please do not revert or change the edits of others when you are reverted. Instead of reverting, please use the talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. The best practice at this stage is to discuss, not edit-war; read about how this is done. If discussions reach an impasse, you can then post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection.

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Belgrade Nikola Tesla Airport

Please read Wikipedia:Verifiability. Your argument "it is there for more then 10 years" is not a valid argument. Please provide an independent source for this connection. The Banner talk 13:25, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

But why do you need source for Stockholm Skavsta, but not for example Malta? Where is the difference? There is no change in the route, neither it became seasonal, so there is no need for any citation. Route is there and existing with no single change.

Finally, there was no citation for Stockholm Skavsta route for long time and now you want some source. Why are you doing that? You are making the article hard to read with unnecessary tags! What kind of source do you want? PikiLuka (talk) 15:13, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

Because it is rather rude to fill up the article with source requests. It is much more friendly to do it bit by bit. Feel free to add independent sources for other connections, that will improve the reliability of the article. The Banner talk 15:53, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

What do you not understand in the fact that there is NO source, rather independent or not, regarding route that exists for more than a decade! No one is writing about it because there is nothing to write!

When the route was established there was an independent source. Today there is not.

And now you demand some source... It is impossible to find one and unreasonable to request such at totally random occasion. PikiLuka (talk) 18:22, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

Strange, I see an independent source for that connection now. The Banner talk 22:50, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

Yes, you see it but it is completely unnecessary and in that article only one sentence is about Stockholm Skavsta route. However, you demanded it - you got it. PikiLuka (talk) 23:01, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

No, it is not unnecessary. See WP:V. The Banner talk 23:59, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

If you would be helpful to explain - there was no source for many years and out of nowhere you put a request for it. Why? PikiLuka (talk) 18:29, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

To gradually improve the reliability of this page by adding independent sources. The Banner talk 22:16, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

August 2024

You may be blocked from editing without further warning the next time you add unsourced or poorly sourced material to Wikipedia, as you did at Air Serbia. Enough warnings for violating WP:VERIFY. Enough is enough. Jetstreamer ^Talk 22:53, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

I really do not understand why are you doing this and what do you have against me. The article is now wrong because of you and people reading it are getting misinformation.

All edits I make are correct, most of them are sourced. However, as in this case, there is no source except flight tracking services which cannot be put as sources.

I have literally wrote you aircraft registration so that you can prove to yourself that my edits are correct, however you still don't want to cooperate. PikiLuka (talk) 06:57, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

No, you are the one not cooperating. There are independent sources needed, but you prefer to give no sources or even remove sources (like here). Are you really here to build a reliable encyclopedia? The Banner talk 11:13, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

On the link you provided, there is literally field Refs beside the table, as third column. I have just moved the ref to it in order to improve visibility of the table. Reference in that field is clearly indicating that Ryanair is suspending all routes to Podgorica except London Stansted.

Before accusing me for something, please prepare better. And yes, this is another example where my change was reverted, even though it was cited WITH AN INDEPENDENT SOURCE.

I am here to improve encyclopedia, but it seems that you and couple other users are not. You are sticking to sources, which is okay, but you need to have flexibility because sometimes there is no good enough source to be put in encyclopedia, even though it can be proven as correct.

Such example is A320/B738 fleet leased from GetJet in Air Serbia. Those aircraft changed couple times during season and nobody will write an article about it as it is not that important, but you can track aircraft and prove if they are flying or not. I am tracking those aircraft and I want to update the fleet section whenever something changes, but you are blocking me from that. PikiLuka (talk) 11:50, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

So you strip all connections of their sources because of your own preferences while it is requested to sources all connections individually? The Banner talk 13:00, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

Yes, for a good reason. Old sources claim that routes are year-round, while the newer one are updated and routes are now summer seasonal.

But I am now allowed to remove sources that are not valid anymore because you will revert my edit. Congratulations, you are not cooperating and don't even bother to read what sources say. PikiLuka (talk) 17:03, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

Indeed, you do not understand that a connection must be sourced. Just removing an outdated source is not good. When you know that there are better sources, please update the source. The Banner talk 23:19, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

Belgrade Nikola Tesla Airport again

Instead of coming with personal attacks, you could have sourced the info straight away. you know quite well that unsourced edits can and will be reverted. The Banner talk 21:57, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

First unsourced edit was putting label seasonal. That was done by user Ian1975 on September 6th at 08:06 and it was unsourced and out of nowhere. That edit was quickly removed by user 101.53.24.204 on the same day at 08:20, which was the right move since the edit was unsourced and incorrect. Just 56 minutes later you returned label seasonal claiming that removal by IP address user was unsourced. So why did you do that? PikiLuka (talk) 09:31, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

Because that edit was also unsourced, as were the first and second of your edits there. The Banner talk 14:47, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

All I did was reverted unsourced edits and returned article to the correct state. After that I added a source in order to stop vandalism.

If that edit was also unsourced, why did you return the article to the state after that edit? PikiLuka (talk) 15:07, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

All I did was reverting unsourced edits. Without further accusations. The Banner talk 15:22, 8 September 2024 (UTC)