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Thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia! Excirial ^{(Contact me,Contribs)} 20:13, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/John de Ruiter

I would like to know why the article was rejected. I only used secondary sources and followed the outline and tone of Eckharte Tolle and Osho entries. Can you be more specific or show me where I can make changes that would make it acceptable. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Planktonium (talk • contribs) 21:57, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

(Related helpdesk response) I just had a look at the first five references. They were, in order, an article in Dutch magazine that I'd call "New Age" (the link was useless because it didn't point to the article itself), a domain for sale that didn't mention anything, a website offering de Ruiter's works for sale, de Ruiter's book, and a blog. The second obviously useless as references on de Ruiter, the next two are not independent, and the fifth is not reliable. That leaves us with the magazine article, which might be a reliable source - that would depend on whether the magazine has a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy. Many of the other references also looked like primary sources to me - his own books were mentioned rather often. And some of the sources did not actually support the statements they were cited for, which is worse.

Wikipedia content should be based on secondary sources, and I'd expect for someone whose base of operations is Edmonton, sources in English should exist - how about articles in mainstream newspapers? Huon (talk) 23:59, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

Hiyas there Planktonium,

I see that Huon already replied the above on the helpdesk, and his comment voices one of my own concerns with the article rather well. In addition to the above, the article is written with a clearly positive bias in mind. Even though the statements in question are referenced, they are still non-neutral and positively biased, especially if man reads the article as a whole.

For example (Among many others)

• A website listing spiritual teachers describes De Ruiter as the most profound and "powerful, living and transcendental force of pure truth."
• “the most powerful spiritual teacher I’ve ever seen — and I’ve seen a goodly number of them.
• nown as an accessible teacher, De Ruiter has been called a modern day Socrates seeking out the ultimate knowledge of the deepest self

These lines really add no information to the article, same with the myriad of quotes from John de Ruiter that were included. Instead these are simply subjective statements by random people, that give the article a spammy and promotional tone.

Kind regards, Excirial ^{(Contact me,Contribs)} 11:15, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

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John de Ruiter - comments

Upon closely reviewing your article once more, I have a few comments/suggestions.

• The first reference ("Honesty is the best policy (translation)", by Brummelman, contains a dead link. The URL directs to a 404 not found.
• In general, it's good for references to be independent of the subject material. I noticed that a good few of your references direct either to either his books/website. While this is okay, it certainly detracts from both the neutrality and how we can verify the subject material.
• You have a few repeated references. You can use <ref name=whatever you want to name your reference> to source multiple claims to the same reference, rather than write another citation that links to the same thing (ex. 6. and 15., 13. and 14., 21. and 26., among others)
• I'm not sure how reliable [1] is as a reference (you source it as reference 18). Perhaps find an alternative?
• I noticed that one of your references (to Atticus Cutter's website) seems to be a personal blog (self-described "Below is a collection of personal blog entries"). We rarely accept personal blogs of this sort (even though this one seems to be quite polished as reliable sources -- see WP:SPS, and perhaps more specific to your case, there is even a page about avoiding self-published sources of this sort in the biographies of living persons. This also goes for de Ruiter's personal website, I think.
• I can't help but feel that when reading through your article, it's not that neutral -- it's got plenty of praise for de Ruiter, and really not that much criticism. Even without researching for more sources, you could make more out of sources like this one, which does contain evidence of the writer's wariness of de Ruiter ("Is he an enlightened man or a deluded man?", implications of cult accusations/controversy, criticism of his personal life such as the fact that "His wife Joyce left him after learning that de Ruiter was involved with two sisters", references to the financial circumstances of de Ruiter's work ("No one would tell me the cost. But it's clearly a multimillion-dollar venture."), etc. etc.) And that's just a start.

So perhaps what I'm getting at is clean up the references a tad, less praise and more balanced criticism, and you'll be all set. Good luck. Icy // ♫ 02:42, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

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