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Happy editing! RFD (talk) 16:27, 14 June 2020 (UTC)

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Attleboro Line

Given that it only comes up in the contract documents, I think "Attleboro Line" isn't worth having in the infobox. Better to use the widely-used and recognized "Northeast Corridor". Pi.1415926535 (talk) 01:59, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

I honestly do not agree with this; the other MBTA lines are all referred to by their physical track names on WP (Eastern Route for the Newburyport/Rockport Line, Western Route for the Haverhill Line, New Hampshire Main Line for the Lowell Line, Dorchester Branch for the Fairmount Line, Old Colony Main Line for the Middleborough/Lakeville Line north of Braintree, etc.) and these names, as far as I am aware, are also not used in most public-facing documents to my awareness. This is also the case with the entire LIRR, where the physical track is used to reference stations along their lines; the Massapequa station is listed as being on the Montauk Branch despite the line between Jamaica and Babylon being referred to as the Babylon Branch in all schedules. I also believe this similar to how the Caltrain line is referred to as being on the Peninsula Subdivision. There are arguments against this as well (ex: the New Haven Line, which is physically a portion of the Northeast Corridor), though in that case it is also a publicly used name and the physical track name. Pokemonred200 (talk) 02:07, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

I will say that I largely wrote those edits for consistency for that reason, since it seems like the official track name is more commonly used than the common public name for a given line. Pokemonred200 (talk) 02:14, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

This is a different case than those you listed - both "Northeast Corridor" and "Attleboro Line" are valid names for this section of infrastructure, rather than being infrastructure vs service names (Dorchester Branch vs Fairmount Line, etc). Given that "Northeast Corridor" is much more widely known, I really do think it should be in the infobox. For the time being, I'm going to use both - that's worked well on other lines. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 06:23, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

I feel like that's fair. I feel like Attleboro Line was just as sensible to have in the infoboxes as other pieces of infrastructure both on-and-off corridor, and based removal of "Northeast Corridor" itself on it not being present in the infoboxes of stations served by New Haven Line trains (the mainline uses New Haven Line and the Penn Station Access stations use "Hell Gate Line"). Had those stations used the designation I likely would have written both initially, though the use is likely more known in both cases. Pokemonred200 (talk) 13:30, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

Grand Central LIRR services

Hi, I noticed your revert on Grand Central Madison station. From what I saw before making my edit, the infobox only listed routes with direct services, so I removed the one inconsistency. I understand your reasoning – but then we ought to also include "towards Port Jefferson", "towards Oyster Bay", and "towards Montauk", because those routes also have timed connections in the schedule at Jamaica (only in some cases), Huntington, or Babylon. Including these connections would be fine with me, since they are listed in the schedules; I just wanted it to be consistent one way or the other. Cheers, ComplexRational (talk) 23:47, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

I wouldn't call this an inconsistency, as unlike the rest of those lines, service to Greenport always requires a transfer regardless of the westbound terminal, hence the use of "via" as a template. Note that the stations from Medford to Greenport use "to Atlantic Terminal or Penn Station via Ronkonkoma" for this reason. Oyster Bay, Port Jefferson, and Montauk all see direct service to Penn Station or Long Island City (even if limited), but Greenport does not see direct service west of Ronkonkoma; all of its trains are timed to run to the NYC termini. Pokemonred200 (talk) 00:19, 22 June 2022 (UTC)

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Franklin/Foxboro Line

I appreciate you moving Franklin/Foxboro Line to its new name. However, please do remember that when you move a page, it's your also responsibility to clean up incoming links. That usually means changing any links that should display the new name. If you look through my recent contributions, you'll see about 100 edits updating to the new name, ranging from simple fixes to more complicated updates. Additionally, a number of edits on Commons and Wikidata were needed. If you don't have the time to make these post-move changes, it's best to post on the talk page and ask if someone else can perform the move, or file a move request if the move may be controversial. Best, Pi.1415926535 (talk) 07:45, 8 October 2023 (UTC)

My bad about that; I had made the edits prior to going to sleep that night and had forgotten about it the next day. It is now my day off and if there are any leftover that I need to be aware of, I can still complete them as needed. In the future I will try to practice making these edits during time periods where I can also complete the follow-ups needed. Apologize for the inconvenience. Pokemonred200 (talk) 14:21, 8 October 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for updating various articles for today's service changes. I'm removing the one-train-a-day Stoughton service from the Fairmount Line stations. There are several weird service patterns for the final trains of the day on various lines; their complexity and extremely limited use means they're better handled by description on the lines rather than including in adjacent stations. Best, Pi.1415926535 (talk) 20:18, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

No problem for the service changes; I will still have to disagree with you for the Stoughton change, because I will say that appears to be inconsistent with other limited service routes:

For example, the Haverhill Line's routing via the Wildcat Branch was listed on its pages for years, and remains so for Ballardvale station for example, including beyond its end with COVID-19, despite service being similarly limited (There was only one outbound-only afternoon trip after service cuts on May 23, 2016; the inbound morning trip did not resume until November 20, 2017, over a full year later). The service was not removed from most article pages until this edit; nearly three years after the end of the service with the December 12, 2020 schedule.

My previous edit to Forest Hills serving the Providence/Stoughton Line was also kept, despite midday service not starting until the Orange Line shutdown the following year, and it being the same service level at the time (a pattern which persists to the current Needham Line schedule, though it is now two round trips it happens with).

The Long Island Rail Road's limited service to Mineola and Hicksville stations along the Montauk Branch remains on their articles, despite only one weekday round trip serving the two in most recent timetables; though Mineola is served by two eastbound trains on that service.

While complexity is something I can understand (though I don't consider the Stoughton trip to be more so than other examples myself), limited use seems to be a disingenuous point when there are multiple examples for multiple service patterns across multiple systems (including our own). Unidirectional service I'm not sure about either (the previous Haverhill line service via the Lowell Line was a single inbound-only trip between May 2016 and November 2017).

I will say that personally, I would be glad to keep the Stoughton service removed if it felt consistent with other examples on Wikipedia, MBTA system or otherwise. However, I don't feel that it being the final train of the day adds any more complexity than if the trip operated at noon. In my opinion, based on other examples, limited service reroutes via alternate routes should be fine to show in the adjacent stations, even if it is once in a day. Regarding complexity, I would feel more inclined to agree if it were a line with peak hour zonal express service, since all MBTA lines do have some form of all-stop service as their main service pattern. Thank you for reading my mini-rant and/or considering the points I've made. Thank you, Red. Pokemonred200 (talk) 13:29, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

I see your point. Do remember that the purpose of the adjacent stations template is primarily for navigation between articles; it is not intended to show every service pattern variant. The more services that are added - especially unusual variants - the less useful it gets for navigation. Wikipedia is explicitly not a travel guide, so we should be careful about whether showing a given service pattern is useful encyclopediac information or not.

Over the past few service changes, the MBTA has added a number of unique service patterns for the last trip of the night. Franklin has an inbound terminate at Readville, Needham has 1+1⁄2 weekday round trips terminate at Forest Hills, Newburyport has a weekday outbound Beverly connection, and Kingston has connections at Braintree. I think trying to add any of these to infoboxes - which adds extra rows and extra text for readers to sort through - would do them a disservice. It is common across the world for the earliest and latest trips on a service to have variant service patterns as trains go to/from yards; we don't generally include those infoboxes because they are not representative of normal service. That's very different from the Wildcat Branch trips, which is a longstanding service pattern that has often had multiple daily trains at peak hours.

It'd be acceptable to include the Stoughton trip on the Fairmount and Route 128 infoboxes, since those are the only stops where the next and previous stations are actually different. You can see my test on Fairmount station (MBTA). (Note that I corrected the destination from your edit, added the oneway parameter, and removed excessive capitalization of a phrase that's not a proper noun.) Pi.1415926535 (talk) 00:05, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

This is a compromise I can accept (do apologize for the late reply, I just came back from a vacation in New York)

I will say I was hesitant to add the one-way designation because of a previous case with Hyde Park, as this specific station is one you had specifically advised against using one-way operation in the infoboxes for; at the time, I had noticed Franklin/Foxboro Line service had not serviced the station inbound since May 23rd, 2016; the schedule with inbound service to South Station from Hyde Park via Franklin Line trains was the December 15, 2015 schedule.. This particular case came to mind when updating the Fairmount Line articles as none of them are otherwise one-way stations, so I did believe the response would be the same here.

Regarding service pattern variants, I do understand that; I have never been one to particularly like showing stopping patterns in adjacent stations unless the stopping pattern represented an infill, hence why I compared the Framingham/Worcester Line's zonal express service in the peak hour to the Providence Line gaining a trip that stopped at Forest Hills. For the Stoughton trip it is effectively a different route altogether rather than mid-route short turns, which is a main reason I felt it is relevant to have it on the station article. I do feel like having the service pattern on the junction pages makes sense generally however as a compromise.

Since Providence and Stoughton service previously used the Dorchester Branch during Southwest Corridor construction and again for limited peak service until 2004, I think it makes sense for this to be stated as a formerly operated service pattern for the stations that existed at the time (Fairmount, Uphams Corner and Morton Street) as I believe it to be historically relevant (given it's what lead to the modern Fairmount Line existing to begin with). I do intend on adding this info to those pages as a result. Pokemonred200 (talk) 16:30, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

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