User talk:Politis/Archive 1

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Éire

I noticed your question to user:Jtdirl, who is offline. No, it is not true that the British government refused to recognise "Éire" or use the term - indeed the opposite is true. The word Éire is Irish and means identically "Ireland" - the island. Through some process of doublethink, HMG was content to accept the name in Irish, but not the same in English. The relevant article is Names of the Irish state. --Red King 00:10, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

PASOK

Your comments were biased and therefore deleted. Please refrain from expressing your political opinions in a wikipedia article.--83.146.62.97 08:20, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia seems to be transforming itself into an extention of PR services, especially for politians and political parties - and you, dear contributor, may well be such a 'service provider'. Your ignorance is excused but please try to learn the difference between bias and contextualised facts. I suggest you catch up with Greek history of the last 30 years, read up a string of articles from Greece and about Greece in non-Greek journals; unless of course you are a PR person. I would also argue that the new PASOK is transforming itself and it does not need revisionists like yourself (and give yourself a profile). Politis 12:31, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

Control your impulse

I am trying to understand why you persist in puting that statement even though the Infobox says the same thing. Do you think people are too stupid to read the infobox? (UNFanatic)

If the article Cyprus only covers the "southern sector", why include the universities found in the northern Turkish occupied areas. I have added your note in the body of the article in the first paragraph. And by the way, sign your comments next time.(UNFanatic 16:20, 23 February 2006 (UTC))

Are you really a Greek???

Shame on you! really pity for writing propaganda for legalization of the crime of turkish Invasion! User:KRBN If it is an invasion you can call it TRNC. As for the Annan Plan, that plan was re-uniting Cyprus only on papers, it was creating two seperate states that would have collaborated, the settlers would have stayed all, it would have violated human rights and was giving sovereign rights to Turkey. Whole island would have been under the rule of Turkey. If you think that is Koumbarokratia, we are sorry but as Cypriots we have our pride. User:KRBN Well your justified by wanting Kliridis in government because of Annan plan. As you said this Annan plan is a headache for Greeks (actually a small minority of greeks who trust the murderers of iraq), that's right you want it to be finish in whatever solution that will be under Turkey interest and you don't care if it will destroy cyprus and our future generation. Sorry my friend but we have the so called Koumbarokratia which cares for the survival of any solution but not to solution that will destroy cyprus. because koumbarokratia for you is to not satisfy the murderers of iraq, to reject to sale your homeland to turkey, to defend human rights etc. and also to accept 2 seperate states with a weak government which would not have work. So if you call this koumbarokratia, then yes we are proud to have a president of koumbarokratia. cyprus would have been only on papers in EU. the solution would have been anti-European because the plan was violating extremely the main issues of the european law and also cyprus would have no vote since we would have to wait the court to take decision (i say this believing that u have read annan plan). and put it to your mind because u said majority wanted annan plan and changed mind; Cypriots are not idiots and have pride and WOULD HAVE NEVER ACCEPTED A PLAN OF THE SHAPE. the status quo would have been legal under this plan.User:KRBN

Priory of Sion

Thanks for your questions. I'll post a response on the talk page of this article. --Ryan Delaney ^talk 23:05, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

Slavic languages

All these things have been thoroughly researched by linguists. Regarding the Greek backbone or Greek structure you are referring to, the ancestral language, the hypothetical Proto-Indo-European language, could be regarded as a form of early Greek, if you wish, because it is similar to proto-Greek. Look at the article on the reconstructed Proto-Indo-European language, especially the table on verb forms, and you will see that these are more similar to modern Greek than to any other modern language. There are verbs in -mi (like in ancient Greek) and in -o. Note the time frame:

• Proto-Indo-Europeans: around 4000 BCE
• Proto-Greek: late 3rd millennium BC -- Andreas 17:19, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

I feel sorry for you.

I feel sorry for your beliefs about the Republic of Cyprus. It is not ursurping Greece by any means. On the contrary my friend, Greece as a guarantor country skrewed up. And by the way, Greece skrewed up in Asia Minor by invading without the support of the allies(they could hav stayed in Smyrna) and made a similar second mistake in Cyprus by funding the coup against Makarios. Now I think this century Greeks have been screwing up. Also, in the Republic of Cyprus, there is plenty of new blood to lead the country as an independent nation.(UNFanatic 20:11, 27 February 2006 (UTC))

Response posted to UNFanatic: [...]I understand and respect how you feel about Greece. But as far as I am concerned, Greeks paied a heavy price against the junta and other oppressors; they do not need the (southern) Republic of Cyprus - one of the richest countries in the world - milking them financially and abusinig them emotionally. Also, I hope you are active in making sure that the Cypriots of the ROC stop abusing Greek diplomatic support. Also, please make sure that the Cyprus issue stops dominating Greek diaspora organisations and Greek lobbies, it simply uses up their valuable time and they could be concentrating on important Hellenic issues. If you are a Greek Cypriot and are angry against the Greeks, make your voice heard, LOUD and CLEAR; this is the only way to make the two countries come to their senses. Politis

Obviously you do not care about Greek Cypriots. Most Greeks do though. To them I applaud them. What were your family, right wing monarchists and coupists?(UNFanatic)

About Bulgaristan on User:Macedonia's talk page

I think Vergina is mocking one Macedonia's early edit comments, as well comments of other macedonian editors by showing certain pieces of history. FunkyFly 18:59, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

RFAR

I filed a request for arbitration for the naming conventions of the Macedonia related articles: Wikipedia:RFAR#Macedonia_naming_dispute. I have listed you as a party involved. Bitola 14:42, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

RFAR is a mechanism for dispute resolution. It is commited through the appropriate page where all involved parties can make statements and later the final decision (whether the request is accepted or rejected) is made by the Arbitration Committee. Bitola 17:05, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

RFAr does not deal with content disputes - they won't be helping us solve ours. Wikipedia:Arbitration is to deal with problematic users only (so far at least). We'll see what happens though. --Latinus 17:18, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

I'm starting to feel frightened, because I created the portal, but I have no secret plot/agenda behind that, as far as I know:)) Lets see what so important you have to tell (by the way the arbitration case is not directly related to the portal, rather to the Macedonia disambiguation pages and the article about my country)Bitola 17:31, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

portal:Macedonia

This portal name, insults all Macedonians in Greece, and makes problem bigger. STOP FYROM's PROPAGANDA IN WIKIPEDIA.--Makedonas 11:34, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

Epikinonia

Yinete na epikinoniso mazi su meso ilektroniku tahidromiu (to leo etsi paraxena ya na ine dinsoïto se aftus pu parakoluthun ti selida su - lipame). Prin kanis ti dilosi su iparhi kati simandiko pu prepi na su po :-) --Latinus 17:46, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

Hi

Please see Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Macedonia if you can. --Latinus 12:50, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

De tha psifisis! --Latinus 18:43, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

Apandisa. --Latinus 18:57, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

Image use

The instructions are at Wikipedia:Extended_image_syntax. It is not the easiest thing in the world to get images "just right" in wiki syntax. You might want to try experimenting in your personal sandbox. I'll be happy to help out. User:Matia.gr is also very good with image syntax. Best of luck. Jkelly 18:55, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

Ecumenical Patriarch

What you just removed as "racist nonsense" is in fact part of the Turkish law. It is stated in Britannica and every source that I can imagine. In fact it's common knowledge, unless of course you can prove otherwise. Miskin 12:00, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

I replied to you in my talk page. Miskin 13:51, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

I saw u got involved in the Ecumenical Patriarch article.i made a change,i guess u will help not to be removed.

about the GC in UK,better see how the other groups are also counted and then ask for the change of the number of the greeks.--Hectorian 14:14, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

Poster Fyrom

ase tis fotografies me ta aytokolita, giati edo oi malakes synecheia afinoun tin entiposi oti den yoarchei i onomasia fyrom, etsi me poustia tis ebala uto soste na doun oi axristoi oti emeis etsi tous fonazoume kai etsi prepei. asta einai megali poustia me poniria krimenni na ta afisoume. katalabes? yugo65efi

"Philhellen" = "Greek Patriot"

Hi Politis. I saw your effort to respond to Septentrionalis in Talk:Greeks#Alexander the Great and thought I should throw in a little more data on the matter. For your reference, I have also added this information to Philhellenism so you can quickeasily direct there anyone else who thinks he is smart. ;-) NikoSilver 21:03, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

Stop it

Stop your sarcasm. Neither I nor dab are going to accept recommendations about what historical linguistic works to read from someone who doesn't even know what "genetic" means in our field. Please don't edit things you know nothing about. Lukas ^(T.|@) 16:45, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

it's ok, I am not accusing you of teaming up with the anon. You just happened to find yourself arguing in the same vein as some anon troll that happened to turn up at the same time, but that is no fault of yours. Since I didn't switch to German, you should rather ask the anon to translate his outbursts, but I assure you, you are not missing much. dab (ᛏ) 22:10, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

Paraklisis

File, eimai Ellinas (opos kai esi fisika) kai xriazomai afti tin stigmi ti politimotati voithia sou.

• 1.Stin Elliniki wiki kai sigekrimena, sto arthro: Makedonas, pou einai sxedon olo, diki mou dimiourgia kai tora iparxi ipopsifiotita gia diagrafi tou arthrou stin selida [[1]]

Se parakalo para poli, ean thelis vevea kai exis tin kalosini, na psifisis gia tin paramoni kai mi diagrafi tou arthrou. Sigekrimena stin selida [[2]] na psifisis os exis:

• διατήρηση και να μπει το πρότυπο {{disputed}}. ας αφήσουμε όποιον θέλει να το προχωρήσει. --Onoma

Diladi diatirisi, ... kai to onoma sou, opos parapano!

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• 2.Stin Germaniki wiki kai sigekrimena, sto arthro: Elliniki (Proto-Elliniki) Glossa, pou einai olo, diki mou dimiourgia kai tora iparxi ipopsifiotita gia diagrafi tou arthrou stin selida 21.Hellenische Sprachen

Se parakalo para poli, ean thelis vevea kai exis tin kalosini, na psifisis gia tin paramoni kai mi diagrafi tou arthrou. Sigekrimena stin selida 21.Hellenische Sprachen na psifisis os exis:

• Natürlich behalten --Onoma

Diladi , fisika diatirisi (=Natürlich 'behalten) kai to onoma sou, opos parapano!

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Y.G. Ean thelis, mporis na metavivasis tin paraklisi mou, se alous filous kai empistous Ellines opos kai esi?

• Parakalo pliri exemithia kai mistikotita! (Apefthinsou mono se poli empista atoma.) Efxxaristo!--Kamikazi2 13:02, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

Islam in Greece

An thes parakoloutha mazi mou to parapano arthro. Kapoios elafra diestramenos typos prospathei na perasei stin wikipedia oti oi Tourkoi stin Ellada einai mia ftoxi kai katapiesmeni meionotita. Miskin 17:46, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

I don't know - maybe... --Latinus 18:24, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

Epeigon (SOS)

Xriazome-aste ti voithia sou, giati apo oti eida kseris kalitera galika apo oti ego! Koita, to arthro afto exi protathi distixos, meta apo kapies diorthosis pou ekana, gia diagrafi: w:fr:Macédoine grecque.

• Se parakalo voithise kai kane oti mporis gia na min diagrafi!!!! --84.164.207.72 19:17, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

Imia/Kardak

Hi, I saw you added another map reference to the Imia/Kardak article. Since we apparently don't have an online image of this one, could you indicate by what means that map marks Imia as Greek? (Named "Imia"? Named using "nisos" vs. "ada"? Explicit attribution, e.g. "(Gr.)"? Boundary drawn through the water? Exact or approximate boundary?) If you have it, could you perhaps scan it, we could actually put a picture in the article. Thanks! Lukas ^(T.|@) 09:10, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your note. If you can make a gif from it, just go to Special:Upload, save it as "ImiaMap.gif" or something of the kind, and make sure you mark the source and include a tag for "fair use". I can do the rest if you like. Lukas ^(T.|@) 10:06, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

Graeco-Armenian

what are you talking about? You were replacing a matter of fact article with completely irrelevant blather about alphabets and were rightly reverted. Your behaviour just there was borderline to vandalism, don't do that. dab (ᛏ) 17:58, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

Φίλε Κώστα,

Προσπάθησε σε παρακαλώ να φανείς λίγο πιο διαλλακτικός, και άσε και καμιά κουβέντα να πέσει κάτω. Δεν τρέχει τίποτα, θα βρεθεί η άκρη, απλά θέλει σιγά-σιγά. Εννοώ: λόγω της καλλιέργειάς σου, είναι λογικό να κάνεις λογικά άλματα που οι υπόλοιποι απλά δεν μπορούν να παρακολουθήσουν. Θα εντυπωσιαστείς αν διαπιστώσεις πόσο αποτελεσματική είναι χρήση της "μαιευτικής". Πίστεψέ με, παρά το ότι συμφωνώ (περίπου) με το περιεχόμενο των αλλαγών που προτείνεις, νομίζω οτι έκανα το καλύτερο που μεσολάβησα σε αυτή την κουβέντα που είχε ξεφύγει, έστω και αν σε αδίκησα σε κάποιο μικρό βαθμό. Κοινώς, προσπάθησε να μην "τα παίρνεις στο κρανίο". Ειδικά με χρήστες που μπορούν (λόγω υπόβαθρου) να βοηθήσουν να μήν αδικούνται οι Έλληνες σε αυτή την εγκυκλοπαίδεια (και το έχουν κάνει στο παρελθόν). NikoSilver ^{(T) @ (C)} 16:02, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

File:Rio Antirio Bridge by sunset.jpg

The bridge height allows for unobstructed navigation through the strait.

Διαβασα τη ΜΑΤΙΑ. Νομίζω λείπει, οπότε στα λέω εγώ:

1. Αριστερά στην οθόνη σου έχεις ένα toolbox
2. Κλικάρισε Upload file
3. Επέλεξε τη θέση του αρχείου με το "Αναζήτηση"
4. ΠΡΟΣΟΧΗ: Διάλεξε στο κουτάκι Licencing τη σωστή δικαιολογία για το copyright που αρμόζει στην περίπτωση. Για δικές σου φωτογραφίες (αν δεν έχεις φωτογραφίσει κάτι που έχει copyrights), συνήθως βάζεις "PD (self made) donate to public domain. Release all rights."
5. Γράψε στο edit summary κάτι του στιλ: Photo taken by my personal digicam while passing under the Rio-Antirio bridge.
6. Πάτα upload file και περίμενε μέχρι να ανέβει.
7. Μετά, μπορείς όπου κάνεις edit, να γράψεις τον κώδικα που θα δεις εδώ αν κάνεις edit το σχόλιό μου. Το ξαναγράφω, αλλά χωρίς τα brackets: Image:Rio_Antirio_Bridge_by_sunset.jpg|thumb|right|250px|The bridge height allows for unobstructed navigation through the strait.

ΥΓ. Καλό θα ήταν να διαβάσεις και τις σύντομες οδηγίες που γράφω στον Μακεδόνα για άλλα θέματα. NikoSilver ^{(T) @ (C)} 18:06, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

Bouboulina

Hi Politis,

Which pictures is the one where she is on her ship, pointing to the horizon? Thank you.  :) ~Mallaccaos, 17 March 2006

PAO/PAOK

PAO, Panathinaikos, pws alliws na to pw :) Esy?--Avg 14:53, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

Egw pantws thn Kyriakh pou mas erxetai ginomai PAOK eyxaristws :) Pou les tous boreious geitones tous katalabainw mexri ena shmeio giati etsi pou tous exoun kanei plysh egkefalou tosa xronia einai logiko na einai mperdemenoi. Emeis thn plhrwnoume bebaia alla pou tha paei tha brethei mia aksioprephs lysh.--Avg 15:34, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

FYROM

Το θέμα έχει φουντώσει στο τωκ. Το άρθρο έχει προστατευτεί από αλλαγές. Χρειάζεται η συμμετοχή σου.  NikoSilver  ^{(T) @ (C)} 15:34, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

Μπορείς, αν θες, να συμμετέχεις στη συζήτηση. Διάβασε ποια είναι η Ελληνική θέση και περίληψη της κουβέντας μέχρι το τέλος εδώ.  NikoSilver  ^{(T) @ (C)} 15:51, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

Μακάρι νά'ξερα. Θα κάνω διευκρινιστικές ερωτήσεις στο τωκ. Παρακολούθα.  NikoSilver  ^{(T) @ (C)} 11:19, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

- OLOI FYROM STIN PSIFOFORIA ([3] )!!!! --Asteraki 13:58, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

Y.S. Signomi gia tin foto! --Asteraki 14:02, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

Σχετικά με τα παραπάνω, πρέπει να δεις αυτό το σχόλιο και να πράξεις αναλόγως. Άμεσα.  NikoSilver  ^{(T) @ (C)} 16:14, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

Se eixa parexigisei ligo stin arxi...Mallon ftaiei i kontra pou eixame gia tous Ellines sti Bretania. anyway, i apologise:) --Hectorian 17:06, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

Den nomizo oti eprepe na katigoris tin Servia opos ekanes. Tha kanis tus Servus na mas katapsifisun. Edwy ^(talk) 17:50, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

E ma... de blepw na th glytwnoun oi trixes sto kefali mou me daytous...--Avg 18:25, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Πολίτη, νομίζω δεν παρατήρησες καλά το σχόλιο που σου έκανα παραπάνω. Κοίτα σε παρακαλώ ποιές είναι εκείνες οι παραλλαγές που βγαίνουν μπροστά σε ψήφους, διότι μας πάνε για σφάξιμο χωρίζοντας τις ψήφους μας σε παρόμοιες εκδοχές, ενώ όλοι εκείνοι έχουν μόνον μία. Πράξε αναλόγως.  NikoSilver  ^{(T) @ (C)} 20:08, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Σχετικά με το παραπάνω, πρέπει να δεις αυτό και αυτό και να πράξεις αναλόγως. Thanks. --Enas Filos 21:50, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Χρόνια Πολλά και καλά! Μή χάνεσαι, ρίχνε καμιά ματιά στην ψηφοφορία...  NikoSilver  ^{(T) @ (C)} 15:45, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

Tsekara kai den exw. Xronia polla kai 3anasteilto.  NikoSilver  ^{(T) @ (C)} 18:12, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

Thankyou for your note

First off, Wikipedia is not censored for minors. I can swear where I like. I don't do it often, largely in frustration. Respecting diversity doesn't mean kow-towing to nationalists (like the BNP). I'm not suggesting that you are a BNP supporter. But thats where the National in the British National Party comes from — their nationalism. I am, as you can see virulently anti-nationalism in whatever form it may take. That includes British-English-Irish-Greek-Welsh-Scottish-Macedonian-Bulgarian-American-Serbian-French-Spanish-Russian-Croatian-Turkish-Armenian-etc. The list could get on, but I will save you the bother of filling up your talk page. I am being dismissive of nationalism because I think its really crazy. By the way, are you talking about my response to Niko or on my talk page? As a further point, I don't see where I say what mark I will get. I say that if I gave it to nationalist professors I'd get a bad mark. I don't go any further than that. Besides you have no idea what is my idea of a good mark or a bad mark. My mark range from my last degree was between 26 and 75 percent. I'd be willing to bet significant money that I won't get 26% for this essay, everything else is open to interpretation. As regards asking my professors for their opinion, I will be happy with seeing their comments on my mark sheet, which I will post to you if you so desire. The names of my professors were dropped for ironic purposes which you may have missed. Many Greek nationalists like Trudgill for his writings on Arvanitika, if you still don't get the irony, let me know and I'll explain in more detail. :) PS. The link to my essay is here, I'd welcome your sincere comments — nationalist rhetoric withstanding. - FrancisTyers 13:04, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your comments, they are very well received and appreciated :) In response to some of them:

• I agree, the text is a bit disjointed. I'm not a very good writer unfortunately, despite considerable effort I just can't write clean, clear prose. I agree, there is some problem with the use of terminology, I had meant to clean it up, consider the references to Serbo-Croatian and Serbian too, I'm not sure if I am entirely consistent there either.
• Regarding dates, they will have been taken from other papers on the subject. If there are specific examples and you have time I would be interested to know — but don't feel obliged :)
• That quote was taken from the Topolinjska paper. I think I read it in other papers too though. I will have a look around for other references and let you know.
• I think I did note that the standard was based on the Western central dialects, and I definately made a note that the lexical choices of the standard attempted to "purify" out Bulgarisms and Serbisms. I would be interested in reading papers with regard to the imposition. Unfortunately most of the papers I found (the ones listed in the references — and others) said that the standard was welcomed (with varying degrees of enthusiasm) by the population. This is from seemingly non-involved linguists, and some non-linguists. The Friedman papers are very comprehensive in this regard.

Basically the paper is pretty much reliant on my research (the references). To start off with it was hard to find papers at all, but I managed to find a fair few in the end.

I haven't had my mark back yet, but I will let you know when I do. Many thanks again, and my apologies if I came off a bit strong earlier. As I said, we all get frustrated :) - FrancisTyers 17:11, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

I can understand why you wouldn't. The same goes for any academic — User:172 for example. There is always the problem that what you say will get back to you. Sometimes I think about that before I say something, sometimes I don't and you get what you saw this morning. Those are my sincere convictions, but if this wasn't the internet I would probably be arguing them in a much more reserved manner. - FrancisTyers 17:29, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

Dystyxws OLOI tous edw sthn WP xrhsimopoioun ta idia kai ta idia synexeia. Des an 8es th lista pou pare8esa ston ma8hth sou. Strabos h' oxi, se kanei na strabwneis teleiws! Perimene twra se ligo na deis poion 8ewreis kalon typo...  NikoSilver  ^{(T) @ (C)} 18:26, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

Kalynyxta file Kwstanth. Des thn syzhthsh tou "kalou" xrhsth prin koimh8eis gia na katalabeis ti 8a pei strabomara! (egw exasa 1 kilo! eimai skylos (kai) otan kanw diaita)  NikoSilver  ^{(T) @ (C)} 18:49, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

O "kalos" xrhsths ekane parabiash twn triwn epanaforwn otan prospa8ouse na perasei oti kapoios anhke sthn ekklhsia tous 1000 xronia prin ayth idry8ei!!!(edw) Timorh8hke me dyo meres fragh...  NikoSilver  ^{(T) @ (C)} 13:08, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Kwstanth, sto List of unrecognized countries, nomizw prepei na toniseis oti to Nakhichevan den einai full kratos (esbhses to subnational) giati ypoti8etai oti anhkei sto Azermpaitzan. Epishs, nomizw oti prepei na pros8eseis thn lexh 'monon' prin apo thn Tourkia. Des an 8es th syzhthsh mou me thn Ambi pou ekane to prohgoumeno edit sth selida ths. Sta ypoloipa symfwnw kai epay3anw.  NikoSilver  ^{(T) @ (C)} 15:17, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Geia sou kai se sena! kakws tous edwsa enan epipleon aiwna stin perioxi(5th):p. fainetai oti eimaste upoxrewmenoi na tous thumizoume tin istoria! eleos! as tin diavasoun monoi tous! --Hectorian 18:50, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

He, ki egw nomizw kala tou thn psiloeipa sto prwto sxolio fth selida mou e?  NikoSilver  ^{(T) @ (C)} 20:36, 27 April 2006 (UTC)