User talk:Polly/Archive 7

Why god doesn't exist

Ok, here is my proof that God does not exist. Here are some qualifications to that statement: right now, I am only talking about the Judeo-Christian-Islamic god. I don't believe in other gods either, but this one is just so damn easy to disprove. Another qualification: Though I did come up with this by myself, I know that I'm not the first person to do so. Please don't flame me just because its not 'original', remember that this is my opinion.

The conception of God that most people around the world have simply cannot exist. First, let me define what most people think of as God: An all-powerful being, who created the universe, who is all-good. Now, you would think that a universe created by such a being would be a wonderful place to live in. Of course, as we all know, this is not the case. Innocent children get raped by pedophiles. Criminal CEO's rob people of billions and get away with it. People in third world countries work their asses off and yet they live horrible lives. If God is both willing and capable of stopping these perversions of justice, then why doesnt he? The answer, of course, is that he doesn't exist.

No religious person has EVER given me a satisfactory answer to this dilemma. Here are some of the crappy arguments they have made:

1) God does not cause evil, the Devil does. OK, this one is perhaps the stupidest one. If you believe the Devil is capable of subverting God's will and causing evil, then you believe that the Devil is as powerful as God, and you shouldn't call yourself a monotheist. Plus, if the Devil can do whatever he wishes despite God's will, then God is not all powerful. Therefore this argument doesn't fly,

2) God is all good, evil comes from man's free choice. I don't buy this one either. God created everything (according to the religious people). Therefore, he must have created both humans and free will. Now why would he create free will if he knew some men would choose evil? You might say that evil people turn away from God, so he has no responsibility towards them. Ok, fine. But what about the innocent, good people that are harmed by the evil people? Doesnt God care? Of course not, because he doesnt exist.

3) Evil exists in the world for reasons we don't and CAN'T understand. God's reasons are unknowable because we are mere puny humans. This is probably the best reason, but I still don't buy it. According to this statement, you are supposed to just accept evil because you trust that god has a reason for it. Now, I simply can't accept this. Why would God give us intelligence if we weren't meant to use it? If God simply intended for us to be herded around like sheep, why didn't he make us sheep? The answer, of course, is that God did not make us, because he does not exist.

If this paragraph didn't convince you, go to http://www.science.com and lurk around. You can't win. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mary Madsen (talk • contribs) 02:01, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

• Maybe God is a practical joker and evil is just one of his/her/its little pranks. Polly (Parrot) 02:07, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Perhaps you might like to read The Problem of Pain or God in the Dock, or even A Preface to Paradise Lost closely followed by Milton. ∞☼Geaugagrrl^(T)/_(C) 06:25, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

hey

the file orange bowl 44.jpg is owned by me —Preceding unsigned comment added by Enchanteddrmzceo (talk • contribs) 12:58, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

• Just add {{PD-self}} to the image page and problem solved. Polly (Parrot) 20:33, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Photo

Fixed the problem with the photograph. Can you check its okay? If not i'll delete. --Energizer07 (talk) 21:24, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

• You've added a link to the website so great, though whether it is in the public domain is another matter. The only template regarding public domain for Ireland is this one [1], can you link to an official Irish Government website that backs up your claim of public domain for this image. Polly (Parrot) 21:37, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Naturally Advanced

The image that I've uploaded has been deleted twice. I intend to write the article/profile for Naturally Advanced Technologies Inc. shortly, and would like to put the logo up with it. Why does it keep getting deleted?

PS- Please understand that I am a novice Wikipedian. Ajcslr22 (talk) 22:50, 10 April 2008 (UTC) --Ajcslr22

• Currently it's listed as an orphaned fair use image and will be deleted after the 17th April, as long as you write the article before then, the image won't be deleted as being orphaned. Even if it's only a stub, that will suffice. Polly (Parrot) 22:53, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Copyrighted materials.

These are not copyrighted materials, I know the owner of the website "www.olddamascus.com" which the photos are taken from, personally, and he gave me permission to use them on wikipedia. What kind of proof should I present? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zozo2kx (talk • contribs) 08:40, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

• Ideally you'd need to provide a link to the website on the image page and persuade the website owner to add a Creative Commons notice to the relevant images on their website. Alternatively you could follow the procedure detailed here Wikipedia:Requesting copyright permission. Polly (Parrot) 14:13, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

proposed deletion of Transcend Media Group

Hi There, I am the creator of the page Transcend Media Group. Firstly let me say that I am very new to Wiki, but learning fast and enjoying it! I am in the process of adding information about the Transcend Media Group which will further explain why they are notable, relevant and interesting. Could you consider giving the article a chance to demonstrate its relevance as I add substantiation? Also,could I ask why there are many many other independent record companies listed without contention? Examples of such entries are Jungle Records and SPV GmbH although obviously there are tons more! Thanks for your help, --Sevenson (talk) 08:48, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

• That sounds OK to me, speedy deletion tag removed. Polly (Parrot) 14:06, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks Polly, much appreciated - we will crack on with our work then! Also, you recommended speedy deletion of my other related page Rob Ferguson and before I could contest it was extremely speedily deleted! I understand that it was not you that actually pressed the button on the deletion and messaged the moderator concerned. I have not had a response from them yet though. Please see the message I sent them below - is there anything you can do?

Hi there, I was the original creator of the page and would respectfully request that you consider reinstating it. I am in the process of gathering further information and reference material about the interesting career and life of Ferguson. I was perhaps a little premature in submitting the page without adding 'the whole story' but there is more good substance to come. I am not a Wiki expert (but learning fast) and have enlisted the help of various music industry folk to supply good reference material. Could you give the page another chance and allow me to show the full picture - there is some really interesting stuff to come? Many thanks

--Sevenson (talk) 16:22, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

• You could ask them to reinstate the article content to your user space, there you can work on it without the threat of deletion. When you think it meets the notability guidelines you could then move it back into article mainspace. Polly (Parrot) 16:26, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

ok great, thanks for the advice :-) --Sevenson (talk) 16:58, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

CHERUB Cover

Thanks for pointing it out, someone overwrote the original image with a non-free version. Josh04 (talk) 17:11, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

• Why is your version free? its source is the publishing company so surely it's copyrighted. I could add a fair use rationale if you like. Polly (Parrot) 17:16, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Use of album covers

Okay, so I can't use an album cover of a LIVING person in the info box because another photo might be used. But I can use the album cover in the body of the text where that album is referenced? Is that correct?

And there seems to be no restriction on album covers for dead people, is that correct? Thanks for your help and advice.

Rarmin (talk) 19:04, 11 April 2008 (UTC)Rarmin

• If the album cover is the only image on an article about a living person then no it really can't be used at all, you could always create a seperate article about the album then it would be fine. If the person is dead then yes it can be used but ideally not as the main image representing that person. Polly (Parrot) 19:43, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Replaceable fair use Image:Lean limit extension bw.png

That's all great, but I neither uploaded the orginal image to Wikipedia nor wrote the fair use rationale. I merely converted the image to B&W. Go ahead and delete it; then I'll just have to replace it with original jpeg, whose fair-use rationale has never been challenged. Oh well.--Prosfilaes (talk) 20:37, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

• Sorry about that, I'm just trying to follow the non-free content criteria, specifically images No.10. Polly (Parrot) 21:03, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Polly, I am not sure I am doing this right yet, but please check my photo submissions to see if I got the copyright notices correct now. Thanks. Mmckibben (talk) 23:14, 11 April 2008 (UTC) Mike User:mmckibben

Also, could you tell me how I go about changing my temporary user:mmckibben to "Leader Technologies Incorporated" when I finally get all this copyright stuff worked out? I also need to add my third party citations as well. Thanks. Mmckibben (talk) 23:14, 11 April 2008 (UTC) Mike User:mmckibben

• I'd keep your current name as changing it to a company name would be promotional and likely be blocked. As regards the images you need to select a license from here, If you're the copyright ownwer select one of the free licenses and add it to all the relevant images you uploaded. I take it you plan to move the content of your User page to the article mainspace if so make sure that the company meets the notability guidelines. At the moment your user page could be deleted as an advert, you'd be better off moving it to User:Mmckibben/sandbox and working on it there. Any more questions just ask. Polly (Parrot) 00:04, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Polly, thanks for the input. I have finally gotten around to the Footnote references. Hopefully this satisfies the third party references required. Please let me know. Also, I need to change the name to "Leader Technologies Incorporated". I do not quite understand your comment about "promotional" since it is a description of a company's operations and activities and there are zillion such similar Wikipedia entries! Finally, I have added the copyright references to the two images you commented. Let me know if that works. Best regards. -- Mike User:Mmckibben Mmckibben (talk) 16:51, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

• It's only promotional whilst it's your user page as soon as you move it to article mainspace that problem will cease. The images, except the ones from Commons, still haven't got licensing, for instance this one Image:MichaelMcKibben-250.jpg has no copyright info, if it's your copyright just add {{GFDL}} to it and any others that are yours. As you are the only contributor to the article when you want to move it to mainspace just copy and paste it to Leader Technologies Incorporated and click on Save page. Polly (Parrot) 17:14, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Hi Polly. Well... a User:Andante, has blocked everything now. Please help! I just wrote this to him: I am not trying to ignore the rules, I am simply trying to understand them. They are voluminous. Will you kindly assist me to get the "Leader Technologies" page up. It certainly matches the rules for notability. Thank you for you assistance. I certainly am getting frustrated with the rules. And, I find many instances of an apparent double-standard in Wikipedia with regards to its rules... which again, are voluminous. I am trying to follow them, but trying to follow one just runs one into ten more. Help, please! You have currently blocked all my work now. I have spent an entire week trying to figure this out and I cannot afford to invest another week figuring out how to put something up. Your writings encourage submissions, but your rules drive away. Do you want the contributions or not? Between the moderator rejections and your automated web bots, this is a moving target. Thanks for your assistance. Just pointing me to more generic rules isn't that helpful. Mmckibben (talk) 13:21, 13 April 2008 (UTC) User:MmckibbenHi —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mmckibben (talk • contribs)

RFA thanks

Thanks for your support in my RFA, that didn't quite make it and ended at 120/47/13. There was a ton of great advice there, that I'm going to go on. Maybe someday. If not, there are articles to write! Thanks for your support. Lawrence § t/e 17:56, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

re:fair use for Kusty image

thank you for telling me about Wikipedia's policy however i am unsure of how to make a fair use rationale.

MrJanitor1 18:03 12 April 2008 (UTC)

• You could use this fair use template [2]. Polly (Parrot) 18:06, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Cher image

Why you have deleted all my image????????? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kekkomereq2 (talk • contribs) 06:07, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

• I didn't delete your images that can only be done by an administrator. I tagged them for deletion because of the false public domain license [3] you used on them all. Polly (Parrot) 17:33, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Image copyright problem with Image:MCS-Logo.JPG

Thanks for your note on my talk, you are right to be punctilious about this. Actually, I DID write that the image had been released for this kind of use, but I have now tried to put this in a standard form, by copying the rational from the Royal Bank of Scotland logo and changing the details. Can you please check that this now fulfils requirements. --Doric Loon (talk) 08:01, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

• Looks absolutely fine now. Polly (Parrot) 17:34, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Lyfe Jennings:Never Never Land (song)

I don't get what's wrong with that picture, i added a source

---Piazzajordan2 18:22, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

• You need to add the appropriate copyright license and a fair use rationale for its use. Here's an example Image:Anything (The Damned album) cover.jpg of an image with licensing and rationale. Polly (Parrot) 18:29, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Well, sorry, but it is the correct cover, so if there's anyway you could fix it, it would help, thanks.

---Piazzajordan2 18:51, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

• So you'd like me to go through all your image uploads and add licensing and a fair use rationale?

that's quite a bit of work, but I'll do it if I've got time today. Polly (Parrot) 18:56, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Ok, thanks, and the reason i uploaded them is because i was just trying to help out wikipedia.

---Piazzajordan2 19:02, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Break

i am SO CONFSUED nd i hate this stupid site. how in the world do i add a picture to a page i am trying to create —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lsymons (talk • contribs) 22:55, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

• What do you wish to use the image for? It's a copyrighted image so will need a fair use rationale. If you plan to use it in an article then it will have to meet the fairly strict non-free content criteria. Polly (Parrot) 23:01, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Image:Craseonycteris thonglongyai.JPG

Thanks, I hadn't realized I left the tag off. I put the non-free fair use one on... does that work? StroboX (talk) 02:15, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

• Works just fine. Polly (Parrot) 02:17, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Speedy Deletion

Dear Polly

Have just realised you have tagged a photo I added to Newnham's page as needing speedy deletion. I'm relatively new to Wikipedia so was just wondering why this has happened and how I can correct it. As a member of Newnham College I really hope I haven't offended you in any way.

Best wishes, --Orangecounty2008 (talk) 10:39, 14 April 2008 (UTC)Orangecounty2008 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Orangecounty2008 (talk • contribs) 09:05, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

• The image was only deleted because it was an exact copy of Image:Peile.JPG. Just a tidying up exercise that's all. Polly (Parrot) 19:02, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Image:Textures - Promo 03.jpg

Delete this file, I committed an error in the description and I do not know how to fix. You can correct for me? Thanks for the warning! Cannibaloki (talk) 22:32, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

• Don't worry it'll get deleted in a couple of days. Polly (Parrot) 22:35, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

AfD nomination of WAZ (singer)

An article that you have been involved in editing, WAZ (singer), has been listed for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/WAZ (singer). Thank you. AndrewHowse (talk) 02:09, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Image:Black Knights 2000-1.jpg & Image:Black Knights 2000-2.jpg

Sorry, I don't quite get what you are trying to say on my talk page but I believe that both the above-mentioned images was uploaded by me for fair use on the page of RSAF Black Knights and they were to prove my point in it being the world's first aerobatic team to feature two different types of aircraft for use during air shows such as during Asian Aerospace 2000. --Dave1185 (talk) 20:11, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

• As that article already has numerous free images the use of these fair use images is dubious, they seem to be used purely to decorate the article and not to facilitate critical commentary beyond that which the free images can encompass. If you object to their deletion then by all means follow the template instructions and state your objections on the image talk page. Polly (Parrot) 20:16, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Boy do I hate you guys (deletionists) for making my life so difficult %$#@!! As I have stated in the image page, it is not easy to find these rare images especially since they were taken EIGHT years ago and even more so since it was Singapore's Ministry of Defence who commissioned the photo taking flight and the photographer to complete the task. Tell me now what am I to do? AND to begin with, have you even read through the entire page of RSAF Black Knights? Sheesh! --Dave1185 (talk) 20:23, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

BTW, you did noticed that there is a big difference between those I uploaded earlier and these two, right? We are talking about a mixed formation of F-16 and A-4SU aircraft flying as an aerobatic team here versus those around the world which normally only featured one single aircraft type for a team. --Dave1185 (talk) 20:28, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

I'm no rabid deletionist sir. Now are you saying that these images are not likely to be replacable because the Black Knights have since changed their aircraft type? and the images in question depict the Black Knights in a formation and manner that is no longer the case today? If so you have a good fair use case. Polly (Parrot) 20:31, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Yes, that is exactly what I am saying here. Had you read through the page which I had mentioned beforehand, you would be able to understand completely even before you posed those darned questions. --Dave1185 (talk) 20:35, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

• If only it were realistically possible to read through every article that an image links to. I can only go on what you placed on the uploaded image, if you'd been more precise as to why those images were unlikely to be replacable then I'd not have tagged them. I shall assume good faith in regards to your superior knowledge of the Black Knights and their history and revert myself on the image pages. Polly (Parrot) 20:43, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Thank you. "Live long and prosper", as quoted by Mr Sulu of Star Trek. --Dave1185 (talk) 21:08, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Vulcan sign - Live long and prosper.

Why?

dude, i'dlike to know why are bothering with the pictures?

thei're my work..... —Preceding unsigned comment added by MightySaiyan (talk • contribs) 21:00, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

• Well no dude, unless you own the production company that produces these cartoons then they are not your own work and you are claiming copyright of others work. That's way not cool dude. Polly (Parrot) 21:04, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

I concur with Polly, no screen shots of any cartoons or TV programs allowed on wikipedia unless you wana get sued! --Dave1185 (talk) 21:06, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Whoa! that's harsh dude, sure you can use them in a fair use kinda stylee, just don't claim them as your own. Polly (Parrot) 21:09, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

HARSH? Wait till the lawyers come knocking at your door and we shall know who is harsher then. --Dave1185 (talk) 21:43, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

• Dem lawyers get well irie over dis copyright stuff, fair use me say to dem, but can I satisfy the 'pedia's NFCC, we'll 'ave to see, won't we. Polly (Parrot) 21:51, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Arrrh! But lest you forget, their pen is mightier than thy sword. --Dave1185 (talk) 21:56, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

True my brudda, true. But I is carrying no sword just dis Mac 10, only a real pen is would argue wid dat. Polly (Parrot) 22:13, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Award of a Barnstar

		The Barnstar of Diligence
		The Barnstar of Diligence is hereby awarded in recognition of extraordinary scrutiny, precision, and community service. Awarded by PhilKnight (talk) 19:55, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

• Thank you very much for the barnstar. It will be added to my user page forthwith. Polly (Parrot) 21:07, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Tagged image

Hi!

You tagged an image on the page "Harry G. Pellegrin". I have attempted to recitify the issue with the image, but I am not sure as to whether or not I have addressed this coorectly. Would you please cruise by and see if all is well? If not, would you please let me know how to recitfy to Wikipedia's satisfaction?

I allow the person who posted the image to use it. I own the image; it is the cover of an album I put out about twenty one years ago. I own the original photo as well as the image as presented on the album cover. The album has been out of print forever. I was pleased that someone remembered it and posted it. I'd like ot see it stay.

Thanks,

Harry —Preceding unsigned comment added by Harry George Pellegrin (talk • contribs) 20:35, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

• OK I've added a rationale to the album cover but you need to add {{GFDL}} to this image Image:Harry g pellegrin 2008.jpg and then add the image to the article. Polly (Parrot) 21:01, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
  • I'll add the GFDL tag on for you, as you've already stated that is the license you want in the text on the image page. Polly (Parrot) 21:13, 16 April 2008 (UTC)